Quoted: I did a relatively quick look through of the lights and lasers forum, and didn't notice anything about the Vltor E series mounts. Obviously, the first question is, do they hold the light well? I've read that sometimes you really have to crank down on the mount to get it told hold. Second, how do most of the E series handle recoil? I've been looking at the Surefire X200A for a Glock, but then got to thinking about how I don't always need a $250 light on my pistol. I have a Surefire E1e sitting here that I rarely use, and then I remembered the Vltor mount. If I couple the E1e with the E series mount, I have a decent, low cost light for use if/when I need it. Anyone have any input? Basically, will a Vltor E series mount and a Surefire E1e be okay for intermittant/light duty use on a Glock 21?

The VLTOR E-Series mount is VERY good and handles recoil just fine. I am using them for the WG series of lights: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=266512


C4

Quoted: Quoted: The VLTOR E-Series mount is VERY good and handles recoil just fine. I am using them for the WG series of lights: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=266512 C4 What about the light itself? I know that Surefire makes the Z32 bezel for use on the G and P series to handle the recoil. How bad is it on the E series light?

None of the E-series lights have shock isolation. So I would say that you are taking a chance.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: None of the E-series lights have shock isolation. So I would say that you are taking a chance. C4 So then, that would mean that the Vltor E series mounts are pretty much pointless wastes of money, unless you like replacing bulbs in your Surefires. Good to know.

Actually if it werent for the VLTOR E-series mount, I would have NEVER made my flashlights. So I am glad they are available!

Could you get a lot of use out of a SF E series lights mounted on a weapon? Most likely. Your bulb could also go bust on the very first round.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: None of the E-series lights have shock isolation. So I would say that you are taking a chance. C4 So then, that would mean that the Vltor E series mounts are pretty much pointless wastes of money, unless you like replacing bulbs in your Surefires. Good to know.

The Executive series & the M600B Scout are a completely different design than the G2, 6P, etc. Though it was a little hard to accept that there were no extraordinay features built into the Scout lights when they first came out it's the rounds down range that have proven these lights as capable.  Getting back to the design aspects, the Executives are designed in a way that actually encapsulates the lamp from shock, with the way the lamp sits in the bezel and the fact you're tightening it against the main body it has no movement whatsoever.   So this is why a shock isolated bezel was not required.  Battery retention wasn't factored in either due to how tight the tolerances were and the fact you don't have the risk of contact springs breaking from repeated recoil (this is where battery isolation factors in) like with the P60, 61, 90, 91, etc. style lamps.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: None of the E-series lights have shock isolation. So I would say that you are taking a chance. C4 So then, that would mean that the Vltor E series mounts are pretty much pointless wastes of money, unless you like replacing bulbs in your Surefires. Good to know. The Executive series & the M600B Scout are a completely different design than the G2, 6P, etc. Though it was a little hard to accept that there were no extraordinay features built into the Scout lights when they first came out it's the rounds down range that have proven these lights as capable.  Getting back to the design aspects, the Executives are designed in a way that actually encapsulates the lamp from shock, with the way the lamp sits in the bezel and the fact you're tightening it against the main body it has no movement whatsoever.   So this is why a shock isolated bezel was not required.  Battery retention wasn't factored in either due to how tight the tolerances were and the fact you don't have the risk of contact springs breaking from repeated recoil (this is where battery isolation factors in) like with the P60, 61, 90, 91, etc. style lamps.

I would agree and disagree with this. I have had a couple people come and buy bulbs from me because they were using an E2D as a weaponlight and killed their bulb. This number is a lot less than the folks that are running a G2 or 6P. So I would agree that the E-Series CAN handle recoil better than a G or P series light, but it isn't perfect.


C4

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: None of the E-series lights have shock isolation. So I would say that you are taking a chance. C4 So then, that would mean that the Vltor E series mounts are pretty much pointless wastes of money, unless you like replacing bulbs in your Surefires. Good to know. The Executive series & the M600B Scout are a completely different design than the G2, 6P, etc. Though it was a little hard to accept that there were no extraordinay features built into the Scout lights when they first came out it's the rounds down range that have proven these lights as capable.  Getting back to the design aspects, the Executives are designed in a way that actually encapsulates the lamp from shock, with the way the lamp sits in the bezel and the fact you're tightening it against the main body it has no movement whatsoever.   So this is why a shock isolated bezel was not required.  Battery retention wasn't factored in either due to how tight the tolerances were and the fact you don't have the risk of contact springs breaking from repeated recoil (this is where battery isolation factors in) like with the P60, 61, 90, 91, etc. style lamps. I would agree and disagree with this. I have had a couple people come and buy bulbs from me because they were using an E2D as a weaponlight and killed their bulb. This number is a lot less than the folks that are running a G2 or 6P. So I would agree that the E-Series CAN handle recoil better than a G or P series light, but it isn't perfect. C4

Plain & simple, there are no guarantees on lamp life.  Failures can happen for many reasons:

- If it dies within one battery change, odds are it was simply a bad lamp.

- Drop the light or hit an obstacle with your weaponslight (especially when hot) and that can result in a failure.

- Throw a G2 or a 6P on a shotgun and mount it an inch from the muzzle... probable failure.

- Have a lamp that has 10-15+ battery changes on it... your doing good but it ain't going to last forever.

- Failures will even happen with $400+ weaponslights.  

When it comes down to deciding what you want it's often a matter of what your budget is.  Fortunately there are more choices today then there were in the years past.  There are LED options that are rival or exceed some of the incandascent lights, and the fact they're LED mean more reliabilty against std. lamp failures plus improved battery runtimes.  For trrue weaponsgrade lights (shock isolated & battery retention) there are of course the Surefire Millennium systems or we have less expensive options such as the SF Classic variants, PentagonLights X2, X3, MS, MD, Stealth series, etc., Laser Devices, and then there's the dual role handgun systems that can double as close range rifle setups.  And then there are the budget builds  which may not be a full weaponsgrade light but at least gets you up and running.