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Posted: 11/16/2003 11:15:19 PM EDT
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The deal is that the Mil-Spec finish (molybdenum-based dry-film lubricant) isn't all that great as a mag finish, primarily because it wears off quickly.
Teflon finishes are NOT Mil-Spec, but are newer and much superior technology. It is far tougher, it's nice and slick so your ammo feeds well, and tends to shed dirt easier. The main reason the military doesn't use it is because it costs a lot of money to certify any change, and they don't feel the need to change (what to them is) an expendable product that they can get all the replacements they need. As is often the case, what's available to civilians is better than what's used in the military. Unfortunately, La Belle Industries, the USGI mag contractor that produced these teflon-finished mags for the civilian market, hasn't existed for about 5 years, so even with the AW ban ending, there may never be any more factory teflon-finished mags. -Troy |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 12:16:12 AM EDT
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What about the magazines being produce by HK? I thought they were Teflon finished magazines and if so maybe HK will sell them to the public if the AWB ends?
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Posted: 11/19/2003 2:24:18 PM EDT
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[img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/072698-big.JPG[/img]
LaBelle Teflon on right LaBelle Powder Coat on left |
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Posted: 11/20/2003 10:33:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: What about the magazines being produce by HK? I thought they were Teflon finished magazines and if so maybe HK will sell them to the public if the AWB ends? I read some where that the "new" english mags are HK mags...has anyone else heard this/can confirm this or is it BS? |
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Posted: 11/20/2003 8:22:10 PM EDT
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I've got some LaBelle's new in the wrap. They are dated
"A November 1988" "Type 1 Class B Style 2" and some other numbers.... Are these teflon? They have black followers. |
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Posted: 11/20/2003 9:58:07 PM EDT
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Like Troy said, Teflon is a superior finish. If you think you have a teflon mag, compaire it (closely) to a new Bushmaster 10 rounder. If it's a La Belle, there should be subtle but sure simularities.
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Posted: 11/21/2003 6:11:28 AM EDT
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I have some DPMS LEO magazines that are black teflon. They are date coded 3/02. Any idea on who makes these? They are damned good magazines.
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Posted: 11/21/2003 10:45:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What about the magazines being produce by HK? I thought they were Teflon finished magazines and if so maybe HK will sell them to the public if the AWB ends? I read some where that the "new" english mags are HK mags...has anyone else heard this/can confirm this or is it BS? HK is making a redesigned mag for the British for their new, 3rd-revision-but-still-sucking L-85A2 rifle. These new mags are great, but they're all restricted (and EXPENSIVE), and even LEOs can't get many of them. These are NOT the mags that are for sale here. We're getting the OLD-style British mags that they're no longer using, due to their transition to the HK-type mags. -Troy |
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Posted: 11/21/2003 10:53:55 AM EDT
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Thanks Troy!
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Posted: 11/23/2003 9:34:07 PM EDT
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The Teflon seems to be a better finish and more durable than the moly lubricant. I am only using and purchasing the Teflon Mags now.
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Posted: 11/26/2003 12:28:49 PM EDT
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I remember reading on this board a few years ago about someone refinishing mags with a teflon finish. I bought a few refinished mags from him before the last kalifornia ban. Does anyone remember who that was, and if he still does it? I have a few mags I would like redone in teflon. Seeing as how I can't buy new ones. Thanks!
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Posted: 11/27/2003 1:48:25 PM EDT
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FYI, my last 2 Bushmaster 10-rounders have been teflon coated....one was a frankenmag (before I ripped it apart for the green follower), and the other one is of the new 1-piece variety.
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Posted: 11/27/2003 10:28:05 PM EDT
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So is there some teflon spray or something for refinishing USGI mags with teflon? I'd be interested in doing that.
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Posted: 11/28/2003 9:27:57 AM EDT
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Brownells markets their own brand of sray-on Teflon finish. I've used other epoxy cured coating in the past and have gotten professional results.
[url]http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/Store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1145[/url] |
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Posted: 11/28/2003 11:05:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Bushmaster is also making teflon postban LEO-only 30 rounders. Actually, no. These are the same La Belle-manufactured mags we were referring to. Bushmaster just bought a large number of them atfer the ban for LEO sales. The last of these were made in '96. When they run out, BM will have to buy some standard moly-finished mags to sell. -Troy |
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Posted: 11/28/2003 1:09:24 PM EDT
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Hmm... if that's the case, then BM has found someone else to factory-finish mags in teflon (La Belle went out of business about 5 years ago). That's VERY good news, because it means that there's an excellent chance that this company (perhaps General Stamping?) will produce them for civilian use after the ban sunsets.
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Posted: 11/28/2003 1:58:28 PM EDT
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Troy:
After I read Natez's first post about the BM mags, I went out & got mine out of the patrol car. I found one mag stamped 1/02 (I THINK this one came with the rifle last year when I purchased it), and the other six have no dates at all. All are BM 30 rounders, with the BFI/striking snake floorplates, and all appear to be finished in gray teflon, or something similar. The six unmarked mags were purchased about 6-8 months ago from a BM distributor. All seven mags are stamped Restricted: Law Enforcement/Government Use Only. I paid, IIRC, $15.00 per mag for the six unmarked mags. I know they came from BM, not out of the distributor's inventory, because I had to wait for him to order them..... Think I'll call him tomorrow & see if he can get some more for me.... |
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Posted: 11/28/2003 4:49:34 PM EDT
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DPMS has LEO/Export Teflon Mags as well...
All curent date code. |
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