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Posted: 10/19/2017 2:20:28 PM EDT

HORNADY subsonic .300 BLK

Hornady® 300 Blackout Subsonic Ammunition is designed for accuracy and performance below the speed of sound. The new 190 gr Sub-X™ (Subsonic - eXpanding) bullet features a lead core. Long grooves in its gilding metal jacket combine with the bullet’s flat profile and the patented Flex Tip® insert within its hollowpoint cavity to help it expand reliably at low velocities.

Performance of the Hornady® Subsonic 300 Blackout load meets or exceeds FBI Protocol terminal ballistic test requirements.

This is relevent to my interests...

Posted: 10/19/2017 2:22:29 PM EDT

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Definitely not a tag.

If they can mainstream expanding subsonic for a decent price I'm all in!

Posted: 10/19/2017 9:26:42 PM EDT

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@bluefalcon

Posted: 10/19/2017 10:03:47 PM EDT

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I'm trying to get some. Definitely down to test.

Posted: 10/19/2017 10:27:43 PM EDT

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Now to find it

Posted: 10/19/2017 10:48:58 PM EDT

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Could use a couple thousand of those pills.

Txl

Posted: 10/19/2017 11:02:43 PM EDT

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At a certain point though, why just not 9mm, .40, or .45?

You aren't really ethically hunting with 300 subs.

Posted: 10/19/2017 11:48:38 PM EDT

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At a certain point though, why just not 9mm, .40, or .45?

You aren't really ethically hunting with 300 subs.

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Some folks like the idea of being able to switch from 300 subs to 300 supers with just the change of a mag. Something the pistol calibers can't do.

Posted: 10/20/2017 8:34:23 AM EDT

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Maybe not relevant to most people's intended purposes, but check MrGunsandgear's recent video testing a soft body armor. The armor stopped 9mm and 45 (which everyone equates to the equivalent of 300 blackout in terms of energy), but a subsonic 300 blackout punched right through.

Posted: 10/20/2017 8:46:28 AM EDT

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The much higher BC of the 300 retains the energy and shoots flatter at further distances than the above mentioned pistol calibers.

Not saying its a good hunting round by any means, but it's probably a little better than the pistol rounds for that reason.

Posted: 10/20/2017 10:53:56 AM EDT

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Maybe not relevant to most people's intended purposes, but check MrGunsandgear's recent video testing a soft body armor. The armor stopped 9mm and 45 (which everyone equates to the equivalent of 300 blackout in terms of energy), but a subsonic 300 blackout punched right through.

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Sectional density.

Posted: 10/20/2017 10:56:10 AM EDT

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This is relevent to my interests...

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Mine too...

We've got a couple ~$0.50/round options for factory FMJ subsonics now, can't wait for decent expanding subs to come down in price as well...

Nothing can replace the Barnes 110gr supers for terminal performance, but it's nice to have more options with subs now.

I still need to pick up some Maker REX 200's...

https://store.ar15.com/product.html?cat=10&pr=745

Posted: 10/20/2017 11:05:09 AM EDT

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Some folks like the idea of being able to switch from 300 subs to 300 supers with just the change of a mag. Something the pistol calibers can't do.

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I know what you're trying to say, but the way you are saying it is false.

I can run a mag of 115+P 9mm in the same gun as 147/158gr subs without issue.
Same goes for most any pistol caliber.

Now if you're talking intermediate/rifle calibers, then yes, there aren't many calibers that can run semi-auto subs un-modified.

Posted: 10/20/2017 11:05:42 AM EDT

[#13]

Sweet

Posted: 10/20/2017 11:07:59 AM EDT

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At a certain point though, why just not 9mm, .40, or .45?
You aren't really ethically hunting with 300 subs.

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I've killed a few hogs with .300 subs with base of the neck shots. DRT.
When I was deer hunting with .300blk, I only used the Barnes 110gr supers which work very well.
Sure, a 30.06 increases your range and margin of error for a clean kill, but if you're close enough and have good shot placement it's almost irrelevant.

Posted: 10/21/2017 12:07:55 PM EDT

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This new Hornady load might be my choice for HD in a suppressed SBR

Posted: 10/21/2017 12:19:29 PM EDT

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I know what you're trying to say, but the way you are saying it is false.

I can run a mag of 115+P 9mm in the same gun as 147/158gr subs without issue.
Same goes for most any pistol caliber.

Now if you're talking intermediate/rifle calibers, then yes, there aren't many calibers that can run semi-auto subs un-modified.

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There isn't a 9mm 115+P that can go 2000+ FPS, or any other pistol caliber that can do similar.

Posted: 10/21/2017 12:31:00 PM EDT

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Maybe not relevant to most people's intended purposes, but check MrGunsandgear's recent video testing a soft body armor. The armor stopped 9mm and 45 (which everyone equates to the equivalent of 300 blackout in terms of energy), but a subsonic 300 blackout punched right through.

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At a certain point though, why just not 9mm, .40, or .45?

You aren't really ethically hunting with 300 subs.

Maybe not relevant to most people's intended purposes, but check MrGunsandgear's recent video testing a soft body armor. The armor stopped 9mm and 45 (which everyone equates to the equivalent of 300 blackout in terms of energy), but a subsonic 300 blackout punched right through.

Yep, I've seen .300 subs pierce armor that would have stopped a pistol bullet.

That sectional density matters.

Posted: 10/22/2017 1:13:57 AM EDT

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Some folks like the idea of being able to switch from 300 subs to 300 supers with just the change of a mag. Something the pistol calibers can't do.

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Neither can .300 blackout if you intend on hitting anything. This line of thought amuses me. Poi is so much different as to be comical

Posted: 10/22/2017 1:35:38 AM EDT

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Neither can .300 blackout if you intend on hitting anything. This line of thought amuses me. Poi is so much different as to be comical

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Sure, when you're talking range and moa, but at HD distances it's no big deal.

I'd also bet, with a little practice, 100yrd hold over on the fly wouldn't be much of an issue either. Maybe not moa, but minute of torso.

Posted: 10/22/2017 1:38:01 AM EDT

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I don't like .300 BO but having another option of it isn't a bad thing for those who do. I really do not know why there are people commenting negatively about it in this very thread.

What's the agenda here? Is .300 BO taking away sales from some other caliber that you'd rather see being bought and used instead?

Posted: 10/22/2017 9:27:40 AM EDT

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To get back on track....

The Hornady round ( for that matter most all .300BK rounds ) will retain more energy and expand at much farther ranges then a pistol bullet ... even when fired from a 16" barrel.

I am impressed that Hornady continues to develop innovative products.

For the OP ... thanks for sharing !

Posted: 10/22/2017 10:56:21 AM EDT

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Neither can .300 blackout if you intend on hitting anything. This line of thought amuses me. Poi is so much different as to be comical

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That's not true. Within 50 yards the poa/poi is minute of beer can all day. It's the drop that different primarily. Learn that and you can shoot further.

What's great is having a SBR with suppressor that is smaller than an M4, yet with 110/120 Tac-tX smokes any 556 bullet in regards to lethality within its range limitations (both the 110 and 120 tac-tx are designed to expand to 1300 fps). Then being able to load up some subs and bang steel as 10 yards, shoot varmits/yotes, and general plinking around camp with subs with no ear protection and not being so loud it draws attention.

Posted: 10/23/2017 7:20:06 AM EDT

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There isn't a 9mm 115+P that can go 2000+ FPS, or any other pistol caliber that can do similar.

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Orly?

It's gimmicky in my opinion, but Liberty makes some light bullet loads that will run up around 2000FPS.
Mag changes and you've got 158gr subs.

10mm can easily hit 1800 with a 135gr bullet, and also run up to 230gr subs.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:21:20 AM EDT

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Orly?

It's gimmicky in my opinion, but Liberty makes some light bullet loads that will run up around 2000FPS.
Mag changes and you've got 158gr subs.
https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/609520_ts.jpg

10mm can easily hit 1800 with a 135gr bullet, and also run up to 230gr subs.

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There isn't a 9mm 115+P that can go 2000+ FPS, or any other pistol caliber that can do similar.

Orly?

It's gimmicky in my opinion, but Liberty makes some light bullet loads that will run up around 2000FPS.
Mag changes and you've got 158gr subs.
https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/609520_ts.jpg

10mm can easily hit 1800 with a 135gr bullet, and also run up to 230gr subs.

Still just pistol rounds.

Posted: 10/23/2017 8:23:23 AM EDT

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True, but that wasn't the question I was answering.

If I had to shoot something to stop it and my choice was a pistol caliber AR or a .300blk AR, the choice should be obvious.

Posted: 10/23/2017 10:40:59 AM EDT

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Midway USA "says" they will have it 30 Oct. 2017.... the linked video shows about the 190gr Sub-X bullet in 300BK with " effective expansion at 900FPS".....starting at about 7:39, ballistic gel at 8:43

And Hornady is going to offer a .223 55gr FlexTip a .223 73gr FTX, and a .308 155gr FTX, all are designed for "rapid" expansion.... at about 4:12 in the linked video.

https://www.hornady.com/new-products/

Posted: 10/23/2017 12:14:19 PM EDT

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Orly?

It's gimmicky in my opinion, but Liberty makes some light bullet loads that will run up around 2000FPS.
Mag changes and you've got 158gr subs.
https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/609520_ts.jpg

10mm can easily hit 1800 with a 135gr bullet, and also run up to 230gr subs.

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You're right, that is gimmicky

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9mm 50gr @2000+ vs .30 110gr @2000+. I know what I'm choosing.

Posted: 10/23/2017 12:42:38 PM EDT

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You're right, that is gimmicky

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9mm 50gr @2000+ vs .30 110gr @2000+. I know what I'm choosing.

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You're right, that is gimmicky

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9mm 50gr @2000+ vs .30 110gr @2000+. I know what I'm choosing.

Well duh

but that wasn't the question, was it?

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Some folks like the idea of being able to switch from 300 subs to 300 supers with just the change of a mag. Something the pistol calibers can't do.

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There isn't a 9mm 115+P that can go 2000+ FPS, or any other pistol caliber that can do similar.

Posted: 10/23/2017 1:45:51 PM EDT

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We both specified 115+P though for the 9mm.

Energy, range and "stopping power" go to the Blackout in supers. I would bet it's similar for subs considering 147 and 158gr are the common 9mm subs compared to 220gr (190-240gr range) for BLK subs.

I kill deer with Barnes 110gr Blacktips...something I wouldn't be confident doing with any 9mm load. Then I can switch to subs to protect my kill from zombies while heading out of the woods.

Posted: 10/23/2017 2:06:15 PM EDT

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We both specified 115+P though for the 9mm.

Energy, range and "stopping power" go to the Blackout in supers. I would bet it's similar for subs considering 147 and 158gr are the common 9mm subs compared to 220gr (190-240gr range) for BLK subs.

I kill deer with Barnes 110gr Blacktips...something I wouldn't be confident doing with any 9mm load. Then I can switch to subs to protect my kill from zombies while heading out of the woods.

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9x25 Dillon can be chambered in a 10mm frame and will do 1800 with a 115gr

Also: I like 110gr Barnes as well...

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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:42:24 PM EDT

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Midway USA "says" they will have it 30 Oct. 2017.... the linked video shows about the 190gr Sub-X bullet in 300BK with " effective expansion at 900FPS".....starting at about 7:39, ballistic gel at 8:43

And Hornady is going to offer a .223 55gr FlexTip a .223 73gr FTX, and a .308 155gr FTX, all are designed for "rapid" expansion.... at about 4:12 in the linked video.

https://www.hornady.com/new-products/

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Wow, Hornady is bringing a lot to the table soon. That Frontier and rifle CD has my attention.

Posted: 10/23/2017 5:25:03 PM EDT

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It is a decent start.

Now give it a rebated- boat tail for effective sub-sonic performance.

Posted: 10/23/2017 6:41:30 PM EDT

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Am waiting on you tube gel test from folks who get it first. If they turn out to expand that low, will stock up on them. Very few bullets expand that low. We need more.

Posted: 10/23/2017 6:45:36 PM EDT

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It is a decent start.

Now give it a rebated- boat tail for effective sub-sonic performance.

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What effect does a rebate boat tail do for subsonics?

Posted: 10/24/2017 8:07:45 AM EDT

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Theoretically it diverts the gas exiting the muzzle more than a standard boat tail, which I guess could make it a touch quieter through a suppressor....

Posted: 10/24/2017 10:19:04 AM EDT

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Neither can .300 blackout if you intend on hitting anything. This line of thought amuses me. Poi is so much different as to be comical

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An optic with a reticle calibrated for the blackout easily fixes this. I have one that seems to keep me on target with both supers and subs out to 150 yards or so. I am probably doing something wrong, though

Posted: 10/24/2017 10:54:28 AM EDT

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An optic with a reticle calibrated for the blackout easily fixes this. I have one that seems to keep me on target with both supers and subs out to 150 yards or so. I am probably doing something wrong, though

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My 2-dot Eotech works well for this.

Top dot is 100yd for supers and 50yd for subs.
Bottom dot is 300yd for supers and 150yd for subs.

Plenty good for silhouette sized targets. I don't expect my suppressed SBR to be a tack driver, but it holds around 2MOA with Barnes 110gr supers, and 3-4MOA with Hornady or S&B subs at 100yd.

Posted: 10/24/2017 3:31:06 PM EDT

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I want to see some numbers from proper SBR barrels like the round is designed for. They only gave us data on factory loads out of a 16in barrel which we all know, is NOT optimal for the use of this round especially to shoot subs.

I'll add that I've been loading 110gr Varmageddon supers to 2400fps out of 12.5in barrel for hunting and will use, hopefully very successfully, to dispatch some deer this season AND hogs come next Spring. If they fail at their task, I'll work up a Barnes load as recommended above. :)

Posted: 10/24/2017 6:52:01 PM EDT

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My 2-dot Eotech works well for this.

Top dot is 100yd for supers and 50yd for subs.
Bottom dot is 300yd for supers and 150yd for subs.

Plenty good for silhouette sized targets. I don't expect my suppressed SBR to be a tack driver, but it holds around 2MOA with Barnes 110gr supers, and 3-4MOA with Hornady or S&B subs at 100yd.

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An optic with a reticle calibrated for the blackout easily fixes this. I have one that seems to keep me on target with both supers and subs out to 150 yards or so. I am probably doing something wrong, though

My 2-dot Eotech works well for this.

Top dot is 100yd for supers and 50yd for subs.
Bottom dot is 300yd for supers and 150yd for subs.

Plenty good for silhouette sized targets. I don't expect my suppressed SBR to be a tack driver, but it holds around 2MOA with Barnes 110gr supers, and 3-4MOA with Hornady or S&B subs at 100yd.

I've got a TA33 with the Blackout reticle. It's not quite right but I use hold overs and I'm dead on at 50 and 100 with subs.

Posted: 10/24/2017 10:30:09 PM EDT

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An optic with a reticle calibrated for the blackout easily fixes this. I have one that seems to keep me on target with both supers and subs out to 150 yards or so. I am probably doing something wrong, though

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I admittably don't have an optic like this for mine. What are you using if you don't mind my asking? I'm looking for a new scope so the woman can use mine for deer this november. Anything decent available for $400 or less?

Posted: 10/25/2017 10:57:38 AM EDT

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I admittably don't have an optic like this for mine. What are you using if you don't mind my asking? I'm looking for a new scope so the woman can use mine for deer this november. Anything decent available for $400 or less?

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What magnification range ?

Primary Arms ACSS reticles are very easy to use ... look for the 300BK ones...

http://www.primaryarms.com/MCategories+ACSS-Optics

Posted: 10/25/2017 2:33:33 PM EDT

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I want to see some numbers from proper SBR barrels like the round is designed for. They only gave us data on factory loads out of a 16in barrel which we all know, is NOT optimal for the use of this round especially to shoot subs.

I'll add that I've been loading 110gr Varmageddon supers to 2400fps out of 12.5in barrel for hunting and will use, hopefully very successfully, to dispatch some deer this season AND hogs come next Spring. If they fail at their task, I'll work up a Barnes load as recommended above. :)

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That's something that makes me lean towards handloading if I get a 300 BLK (been pondering a 9.5" upper or rifle), even though I hate having to handload.

All the subsonic loads are made to be subsonic from an NFA-free barrel length of 16". This puts them laughably slow out of 8" or 9".

With the lack of reliably expanding hollow points (until possibly just now with this Hornady release) that meant that I would likely just load 240 grain SMKs at 1050 to get the most mileage I could.

Posted: 10/25/2017 8:20:47 PM EDT

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I hope this brings down the prices of Lehigh Defense 194gr load.

Posted: 10/25/2017 9:19:58 PM EDT

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What magnification range ?

Primary Arms ACSS reticles are very easy to use ... look for the 300BK ones...

http://www.primaryarms.com/MCategories+ACSS-Optics

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Thanks! It looks like the 1-6 x 24 would do the job nicely.

Posted: 10/25/2017 9:46:48 PM EDT

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Right there with ya.

Posted: 10/28/2017 3:58:08 AM EDT

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I deer hunt with Barnes 110 grain out of my 8.5” sbr. With A quick mag swap I can switch over to subs and dump a whole mag on a sounder of pigs without drawing too much attention to myself . 300 blk is pretty awesome for that . I’ll definitely be buying as much of this as I can find ...

Posted: 11/1/2017 3:45:54 PM EDT

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At a certain point though, why just not 9mm, .40, or .45?

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I get what you are saying. However, I have a suppressed 9mm SBR that is a lot of fun but the blowback nature is not as enjoyable to shoot as a DI blackout. Plus commonality in bolts and mags is a plus.

ETA: Wanted to try the Lehigh rounds but this is a much more appetizing option.

Posted: 11/1/2017 4:20:40 PM EDT

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I get what you are saying. However, I have a suppressed 9mm SBR that is a lot of fun but the blowback nature is not as enjoyable to shoot as a DI blackout. Plus commonality in bolts and mags is a plus.

ETA: Wanted to try the Lehigh rounds but this is a much more appetizing option.

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Have the Lehigh you're speaking of been tested?