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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:23:20 PM EDT
Gtg? I have zero experience with it. AE 223 and WG are my usual.
Just not wanting any kaboom moments. 
General range shooting use, not looking for match quality. I dont shoot for groups often. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:31:15 PM EDT
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I've never had any problems with Israeli ammo (IMI). I'm sure I have some 556 stashed somewhere now.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:49:47 PM EDT
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I read that some IMI M855 had pressure issues (popping primers) but those appear to be pre 2017 lots.
I did not see anything on the M193. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:57:48 PM EDT
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Sorry T, haven't had that experience. But then I don't remember using 855.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:59:22 PM EDT
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Sorry T, haven't had that experience. But then I don't remember using 855. I just ran across a good deal and didn't want to jump on crap ammo to save a few bucks. Or blow up a build. 
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Posted: 12/3/2017 3:06:06 PM EDT
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Not that it matters, but how old is it and what kinda shape? If it's good, you're good.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 3:17:53 PM EDT
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Not that it matters, but how old is it and what kinda shape? If it's good, you're good. I dont stray much on ammo often. The chance of destruction deters me. (Freedom Munitions). I know that the chance always looms, but some are kind of known for crappy performance. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 3:56:43 PM EDT
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IMI M193 is my favorite.
However, I have read many reports of earlier lots this year of M193 having popped primer issues. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 4:16:38 PM EDT
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I've not experienced issues in a half case or so of recent production of 193 and 855
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Posted: 12/3/2017 4:25:09 PM EDT
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IMI M193 is my favorite. However, I have read many reports of earlier lots this year of M193 having popped primer issues. I read some on the primer issues with M855. I didnt see any M193? |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 4:26:23 PM EDT
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I've not experienced issues in a half case or so of recent production of 193 and 855 Edit: it's 500 rds so not overly invested in it. 
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Posted: 12/3/2017 4:37:16 PM EDT
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M193 or M855? I read some on the primer issues with M855. I didnt see any M193? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IMI M193 is my favorite. However, I have read many reports of earlier lots this year of M193 having popped primer issues. I read some on the primer issues with M855. I didnt see any M193? |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 4:42:24 PM EDT
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Thanks for the input. I'm thinking it's worth a try. Edit: it's 500 rds so not overly invested in it. I think LC 855 after rebate has been as low as 26cpr lately too http://palmettostatearmory.com/lake-city-m855-5-56x45-1000rd-bulk-package.html |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 5:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I think its worth picking up a half case. PPU has been pretty cheap lately if you can find that instead. I got a bunch of 193 for 5.99/20 and 855 for 6.49/20 I think LC 855 after rebate has been as low as 26cpr lately too http://palmettostatearmory.com/lake-city-m855-5-56x45-1000rd-bulk-package.html |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 5:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M193.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 5:51:46 PM EDT
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I've been going through a modest amount of imi m193 the past few years. About a 1000 rounds or so per summer. No issues and pretty accurate.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 5:56:12 PM EDT
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I've been going through a modest amount of imi m193 the past few years. About a 1000 rounds or so per summer. No issues and pretty accurate. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/345485/20171203_154917-380111.JPG |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 6:00:23 PM EDT
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I shoot IMI M193, M855, and 77 gr Razor Core. Never had a popped primer or other issue. They are fairly hot loads, but I've been through thousands of rounds. I love the stuff.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:52:50 PM EDT
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I shoot IMI M193, M855, and 77 gr Razor Core. Never had a popped primer or other issue. They are fairly hot loads, but I've been through thousands of rounds. I love the stuff. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 7:56:30 PM EDT
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I FO'd.
Thanks for the input everyone. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:03:00 PM EDT
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Shot a few hundred rounds this afternoon through a couple of AR's and didn't have any problems. First time I have used IMI ammo.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:28:58 PM EDT
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Shot a few hundred rounds this afternoon through a couple of AR's and didn't have any problems. First time I have used IMI ammo.  Good news!
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:33:33 PM EDT
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I have used a couple thousand rounds each of IMI M855 and M193. Used to get the 1,200rd boxes every couple of weeks. Good shooting and great for storage. Yes, it is loaded hot, so no worries about cycling issues. Have had a few flattened primers (w/ M855) but none popped.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 9:36:07 PM EDT
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I have a case of IMI M193 and M855. Both are excellent. Do the Israelis make anything that is less than excellent?
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Posted: 12/3/2017 10:07:01 PM EDT
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AE was what I started with. Then I found WG, I have used it almost exclusively for the last 2k.
Change is not easy for me. Maybe I worry too much? |
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Posted: 12/8/2017 11:31:15 PM EDT
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@tigwelder1971
450 rounds IMI 193 on Midway right now $109 |
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Posted: 12/8/2017 11:52:04 PM EDT
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Roger that, thanks.
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Posted: 12/9/2017 1:16:45 AM EDT
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@tigwelder1971 450 rounds IMI 193 on Midway right now $109 |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 10:48:54 AM EDT
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@tigwelder1971 450 rounds IMI 193 on Midway right now $109 My chrono tests have shown IMI is full milspec velocities... 77gr 2762fps from 16"....2810fps from my 20"... Not the absolute best accuracy from my barrels , but certainly good enough ( 1.5ish MOA )... YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 1:06:42 PM EDT
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I have used the newer stuff (green/brown boxes) in M855, M193 and their 7.62 ball and all has been great. Never really accuracy tested it as my AR is pretty basic anyway, but shoots fine and I can hit stuff.
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Posted: 12/10/2017 8:29:11 PM EDT
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they also had 1200 rounds for 309$ 0.26cpr!
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Posted: 12/10/2017 10:28:31 PM EDT
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IME, it's equivalent to other m193, but runs hot.
Expect it to work just fine and produce groups on par with other brands of m193. Fwiw I fo'd on the recent midway deal. Buy with confidence. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:26:18 AM EDT
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Was a big fan of Q3131A back in the day.
Ordered some IMI M193 on black Friday . Opened a box and see headstamp '16. Was hoping for '17. Hope this won't be an issue. This was from Sportsman Outdoors. Lot# 00279/G Just ordered some IMI from midway. Will check headstamp when I get it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:27:34 AM EDT
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Was a big fan of Q3131A back in the day. Ordered some IMI M193 on black Friday . Opened a box and see headstamp '16. Was hoping for '17. Hope this won't be an issue. This was from Sportsman Outdoors. Just ordered some IMI from midway. Will check headstamp when I get it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GD is reporting a 16 stamp on the current Midway deal. I'm gonna shoot it all vs stash it which was my initial plan.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 2:00:51 AM EDT
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Thought it was 62g having primer probs? Not M193.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:04:07 AM EDT
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Thought it was 62g having primer probs? Not M193. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 2:44:35 PM EDT
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I contacted IMI last night and got a response this morning. That's pretty damn quick.
Anyways, stated they checked their records on this lot and should be fine. Looking forward to it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:01:23 PM EDT
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Good stuff. I am burning through a case now and have two more as backup. I would buy it before just about anything else.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:13:11 PM EDT
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Was a big fan of Q3131A back in the day. Still have some Q3131A squirreled away. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:27:56 PM EDT
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This IMI M193 = Q3131A, correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was a big fan of Q3131A back in the day. Q3131A was made by IMI, as M193 spec, under a contract with Olin/Winchester. This is IMI ammo made to M193 spec, but I would not say they are the same thing. However, they are both M193 spec ammo. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:52:03 PM EDT
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Guys, there was only one reported lot of IMI M193 that people were experiencing high pressure signs such as blown primers and that was LOT 00211/G (I mispoke on another thread and said it was 212/G but I checked my notes and it was actually 211/G - '15 Headstamp). I never did have any problems with either of those lots, and they shot rather well for me accuracy wise. About the same time, there were reports of similar high pressure issues regarding IMI Razorcore 77gr 5.56 ammo. I don't know what LOT numbers were reported.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:54:17 PM EDT
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I shot up a case worth we’ll wallyworld cleared it a year or so back.
No issues, groups were ok, brass was decent. Wolf gold runs better in my guns, so I haven’t been back. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 4:23:13 PM EDT
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Guys, there was only one reported lot of IMI M193 that people were experiencing high pressure signs such as blown primers and that was LOT 00211/G (I mispoke on another thread and said it was 212/G but I checked my notes and it was actually 211/G - '15 Headstamp). I never did have any problems with either of those lots, and they shot rather well for me accuracy wise. About the same time, there were reports of similar high pressure issues regarding IMI Razorcore 77gr 5.56 ammo. I don't know what LOT numbers were reported. IMI M193: Lot # 00219/G https://forum.308ar.com/topic/15100-warning-imi-garbage-from-midway/ Lot # 00212/G https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Primers-Falling-out-of-IMI-M193/16-699208/?page=1 IMI 77gr Razor Core: Lot # 00229/F Lot # 00239/F Lot # 00225/G https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Primers-Falling-out-of-IMI-M193/16-699208/?page=3#i7345867 https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Problems_with_IMI_77_gr_razor_core_update_8_31_16/16-696873/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Problems-with-IMI-77-gr-razor-core-update-8-31-16/16-696873/?page=2#i7307376 IMI 69gr Razoer Core: Lot # 00217/G https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-Problems-with-IMI-77-gr-razor-core-update-8-31-16/16-696873/?page=2#i7315944 Federal Independence (IMI) FC16B001-169 http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/9190013904 |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 5:02:02 PM EDT
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Thanks for the list. I guess I only paid attention to the lots that I personally had and shot. I was not aware of later lots of M193 causing problems.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 5:14:00 PM EDT
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I read that some IMI M855 had pressure issues (popping primers) but those appear to be pre 2017 lots. I did not see anything on the M193. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 1:30:12 AM EDT
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Can I get a confirmation on lot # 0211/g?
I have a decent amount of that in the toy bin for rainy days. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 3:56:41 PM EDT
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Can I get a confirmation on lot # 0211/g? I have a decent amount of that in the toy bin for rainy days. even though people did have problems with certain lots, other shoot it just fine. i am a prime example. i have a suspect lot of IMI and 3 of barrels shoot it fine, others not so much. so go shoot your rifle! anything put away for a rainy day should be shot to determine function and POI anyway. |
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Posted: 12/15/2017 4:50:31 PM EDT
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go out and shoot a mag full, you'll know then! even though people did have problems with certain lots, other shoot it just fine. i am a prime example. i have a suspect lot of IMI and 3 of barrels shoot it fine, others not so much. so go shoot your rifle! anything put away for a rainy day should be shot to determine function and POI anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can I get a confirmation on lot # 0211/g? I have a decent amount of that in the toy bin for rainy days. even though people did have problems with certain lots, other shoot it just fine. i am a prime example. i have a suspect lot of IMI and 3 of barrels shoot it fine, others not so much. so go shoot your rifle! anything put away for a rainy day should be shot to determine function and POI anyway. Not everyone is rerarded. |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 6:56:12 PM EDT
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Shot a hundred rounds of 300/G through a BCM 14.5" and FN PSA 16", primers all looked good, didn't feel excessively hot.
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:04:38 PM EDT
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It's probably okay ammo but the extra hot ammo in some of those threads scared me from buying any more.
I'm still working my way through a case that wasn't listed in the bad lot numbers, but it makes me nervous. Don't you love it when the ammo you've stocked up on for SHTF turns out to have issues? 
Now I shoot Wolf Gold, and keep a stash of it and Speer Gold Dots for hard times. |
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