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Posted: 11/18/2003 6:10:24 AM EDT
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One can only hope....
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Posted: 11/18/2003 6:23:52 AM EDT
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What about KG Gunkote on the KAC panels? I think MSTN has good success with it.
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Posted: 11/18/2003 9:01:37 AM EDT
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I have a set that are a darker brown than the standard tan. I'm not sure how they match up to cav arms stuff, or the new vltor stock. I'll post a picture tonigh if I can remember. I can't seem to find a verticle grip to match them though. I have a tan one, but it's much lighter than the "dark brown" rails. I have also heard KG Gun Kote on the KAC plastic works well.
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Posted: 11/18/2003 9:05:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: I have a set that are a darker brown than the standard tan. I'm not sure how they match up to cav arms stuff, or the new vltor stock. I'll post a picture tonigh if I can remember. I can't seem to find a verticle grip to match them though. I have a tan one, but it's much lighter than the "dark brown" rails. I have also heard KG Gun Kote on the KAC plastic works well. Is this a stock KAC panel? If so I never knew KAC made any other color than black and OD. Corey |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 9:07:12 AM EDT
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I have a factory KAC set of very light, pale tan. It's almost white compared to Coyote.
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Posted: 11/18/2003 9:30:51 AM EDT
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I did a bit of research and found some pics of brown and tan KAC panels.
[url]http://www.quarterbore.com/kac/kacrasii.html[/url] The pics of the original prototype RASII have what look to be a brown panel. The pics of the ACOG equiped production RASII with green (I wouldn't call that OD...) vertical grip looks like they're OD?? And FYI I'm not inserting the images into this thread to try and save Quarterbores bandwidth. |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 10:56:07 AM EDT
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Hell, no worry about my Bandwith as I have never come close to using 1/10th ow what I am allowed....
As for colors, I have seen black, tan, and OD but most of what I have seen or know about I learned or saw here.... |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 11:16:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hell, no worry about my Bandwith as I have never come close to using 1/10th ow what I am allowed.... As for colors, I have seen black, tan, and OD but most of what I have seen or know about I learned or saw here.... Cool! Them I'm gonna fire them up! I would presume that this is the brown: [img]http://www.quarterbore.com/images/kacrasiif.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.quarterbore.com/images/kacrasiih.jpg[/img] This looks like the OD. (I've never liked the shade of OD on KAC's vertical grip -- it looks more like a green follower than true OD.) [img]http://www.quarterbore.com/images/kacrasiie.jpg[/img] That leaves the tan. Does anyone have a picture of the tan? Are brown panels still available? Quarterbore, thanks for the use of your photo and hosting. |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 12:38:21 PM EDT
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no, no brown panels available or I'd have them. I'll post pics of the tan ones later.
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Posted: 11/18/2003 12:51:49 PM EDT
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As I recall, Wes at MSTN said the proper term for the green color is like "Marines green" or something along that line, not OD. We can get them at the same cost as the black ones, he just wouldn't swap the black ones for the green if you buy a RAS from him, otherwise he'd end up with tons of black panels and foregrips, entirely understandable.
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Posted: 11/18/2003 1:16:10 PM EDT
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I have one of the brown panels..
The dealer ran out of tan so he gave me a brown one Nah wait its darker then I remebered [>:/] |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 1:34:25 PM EDT
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Instead of buying new, factory panels in your favorite color, why not just hit them with some spray paint.... It gets the job done and will cost you next to nothing to color a set of panels. I've used Brownell's Alumna-Hyde with great success for this very purpose. The camo version of the Krylon stuff also works well.
Then again, I rig everything with rigger's tape and 550 cord, so maybe it's just me who does this. --Keith |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 4:23:49 PM EDT
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Okay, tan KAC panel next to Vltor brown stock.
[img]http://sniper.rsvs.net/KACCoyote.jpg[/img] I wish ones like Quarterbore has pictured were available. The reason I don't paint is that I cut my panels to fit, and that will look like shit. Plus it'll wear. |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 6:12:33 PM EDT
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How is it that if you cut your panels and paint them that it'll look like shit? If you prep them properly before hand and spray in light, even coats, you should have no problem. Yes, it will wear, but what does that matter unless your rifle is just a safe queen? On another aspect, there are too many variations in the color of dye used on the various parts by different companies. If you want the same color on all the parts, this is probably your best bet.
--Keith |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 6:29:44 PM EDT
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Pictures as promised. Panels by KAC:
Black, Tan, the other Tan, and Green. Eagle Industries Coyote Brown Vest in background, SOE Holster and SOE mag pouch in OD. The carpet is Soft Taupe if that helps any [:D]. The part numbers on the packaging are the same for the two different colored tan's. [url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=72476&c=500&z=1"][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/072476.JPG[/img][/url] Another Picture: [url="http://www.hunt101.com/?p=72481&c=500&z=1"][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/072481.JPG[/img][/url] I have four of each color, but the verticle grip only matches the lighter tan. |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 6:39:54 PM EDT
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WHEN KNIGHT'S SWITCHES FROM BLACK TO TAN WHEN MAKING PANELS, THEY TEND TO COME OUT IN VARIOUS SHADES OF TAN UNTIL THE MOLDS ARE COMPLETELY CLEAR OF THE BLACK MATERIAL. THIS IS NOT SUCH A PROBLEM WITH THE GREEN PANELS, APPARENTLY.
IF THEY ARE NOT QUITE RIGHT, KNIGHT'S LITERALLY CANS THEM. WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO GET MORE TAN PANELS FROM KAC. WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 7:08:50 PM EDT
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I recommend trying Rit Dye.
Get some brown Rit Dye, mix it with Hot water on the stove. Soak tan panels. Works on plastic lacrosse sticks. |
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Posted: 11/18/2003 7:22:37 PM EDT
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I'm sure Wes is right, I took a closer look at the one of my darker tan panels and it had 2 black specles mixed in.
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Posted: 11/19/2003 4:16:11 AM EDT
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How'd you get that coyote brown vest? I'm an Eagle dealer and they won't sell me coyote, they said it's Marine Corps only.
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Posted: 11/19/2003 5:56:47 AM EDT
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Has anyone following this ever actually Gunkoted a KAC panel or a grip? I have some gunkote and may be willing to try it but if the 300 degree for one hour curing treatment will melt the plastic I won't even attempt it. The only thing I have ever gunkoted that wasn't metal was a AK74 orange bakealite mag wich by the way did very well and suffered no ill effects and is still looking good today.
IPSC_GUY sends |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 6:02:03 AM EDT
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I could tell you, but I would have to....
I have an Eagle Industries Coyote brown magazine dump pouch, in addition to the molle vest and double and triple mag pouches. |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 6:20:40 AM EDT
[#22]
Thanks everyone for the info and pics!
Corey |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 9:45:37 AM EDT
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I can see the color thing is starting to drive people nuts...
When we made green CAV-15 receivers and handguards we sent a set of Armalite Handguards to our plastic supplier to copy the pigment. Armalite was the established green, so we went with it...even though there were other shades that might have been better. This made the green furniture more apealing to those that already had Armalite components We were the first ones with Coyote AR15 furniture, which is the same color as used on the RAV02 by SOCOM...Vltor was smart to copy the color closely. We were also the first to have Desert Tan (also mil-spec) furniture on the US market back in 2001. Call me crazy, but I think it would have made a lot more sense if everyone else had copied the colors we did so that consumers would be able to mix and match parts as they desire...as evidenced in this thread, some companies are making rail pannel covers, buttstocks, and pistol grips, in shades that do not match anything else out there. The companies making them only make the one component, so it isn't even like somone can buy a complete set from particular companies... |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 9:51:29 AM EDT
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I'm gonna try the rit dye thing. I'll post pics after I try it.
Is it like making tea - steep longer for deeper color? |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 10:24:56 AM EDT
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Alright, now to be a real PITA-
TangoDown's front Pistol Grip, is expected to be an excellent PG. Their storage pistol grip already is. They'll be available in OD as well. Anyone have a TD FPG to match up w/ the KAC rail panels in OD? If their stuff matches KAC's then it'll match Vltor's OD. |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 10:35:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm gonna try the rit dye thing. I'll post pics after I try it. Is it like making tea - steep longer for deeper color? Yes, but only to a point. Good luck, QS. |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 4:55:20 PM EDT
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welp...that didn't work. Looks like mahogany. Stand by for pic.
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Posted: 11/19/2003 4:59:34 PM EDT
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Original color on the right...
[img]http://sniper.rsvs.net/Oops.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 5:54:28 PM EDT
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Yikes that is mahogany or maybe plum... Well with all the interest in colored panels and the like, today I took a 2 rib KAC panel and stuck it in the oven at 300 degrees for an hour to see if it could stand up to the curing required for gun kote and Guess what? No melting or deformation what so ever. So in the morning I will Gunkote a vertical grip and three 11 rib panesl OD green as a test to see how well they stand up to abuse. I will let everyone know.
IPSC_GUY sends |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 6:59:04 PM EDT
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What have I done?
I've created [b]Monster AR15.com[/b]!! [:D] Okay, now I feel compelled to move towards an OD setup! And I agree with Sinistral Rifleman -- other companies (like CavArms and VLTOR) are wise to go with accepted colors. Heck, I've even gotten a wild hair up my arsh and am half tempted to get a can of Bowflage! Corey |
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Posted: 11/19/2003 8:37:40 PM EDT
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Quiteshooter, what have you done?[%|] I'm glad you tried it before I did. Did you start with a black panel? Hurry up and paint that thing before I go blind![:D]
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Posted: 11/20/2003 3:47:15 AM EDT
[#32]
no, it was tan, just like the one on the right.
if some kind soul figures out a GunKote color that matches Coyote, I'd really appreciate it![:)] |
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Posted: 11/20/2003 4:09:14 AM EDT
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According to Wes at MSTN, "Flat Dark Earth"
[img]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/Mk12GRN1.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 11/20/2003 4:32:54 AM EDT
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ok, where do I buy it?
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Posted: 11/20/2003 5:12:59 AM EDT
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[url]www.kgcoatings.com/[/url]
Dark Earth is the official name of the color that VLTOR uses. |
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Posted: 11/21/2003 10:31:10 PM EDT
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I spoke with Reed summer of 02 at Bragg. He had a few of the Coyote rail covers but they only made a few as demo samples for the Marine Corps. I tried to talk him out of a set but to no avail.
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Posted: 11/24/2003 9:29:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: I spoke with Reed summer of 02 at Bragg. He had a few of the Coyote rail covers but they only made a few as demo samples for the Marine Corps. I tried to talk him out of a set but to no avail. GG, How does one distinguish between Coyote, desert tan and Matt Johnson brown ? |
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Posted: 11/25/2003 9:34:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: GG, How does one distinguish between Coyote, desert tan and Matt Johnson brown ? after a day or so in the field, you don't. [:P] cheers, MM p.s. GG, long time no talk. howya doin? |
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Posted: 11/28/2003 6:31:40 PM EDT
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I wonder if "dark earth" model paint would work on the KAC panels? Anyone have close up pics of the Cav Arms Coyote rail covers next to the Tan Vltor stock? I have the tan Vltor and am trying to paint/or buy rail panels that will match well.
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Posted: 12/7/2003 6:33:49 AM EDT
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The past week of downtime gave me a chance to order a can of Coyote Alumahyde from Brownell's. Haven't sprayed it yet, but I have had good luck with it in other colors. Except the OD is too light.... |
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Posted: 12/7/2003 9:32:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: The past week of downtime gave me a chance to order a can of Coyote Alumahyde from Brownell's. Haven't sprayed it yet, but I have had good luck with it in other colors. Except the OD is too light.... Can you give me more info on the Aluma-Hyde Coyote...Is it Aluma-Hyde or Aluma-Hyde II and a part number if you've got it...I just ordered their OD and Brown, the brown is more like a standard brown than coyote. Thanks Thanks |
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Posted: 12/7/2003 10:04:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Can you give me more info on the Aluma-Hyde Coyote...Is it Aluma-Hyde or Aluma-Hyde II and a part number if you've got it...I just ordered their OD and Brown, the brown is more like a standard brown than coyote. Thanks It is Aluma Hyde II, and it says "Coyote" on the can. Part number is 083-002-210. They also have an "Earth Brown" and I was tempted to try that one as well. [url]http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=1117&title=ALUMA-HYDE+II&s=42939#42939[/url] |
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Posted: 12/7/2003 12:38:36 PM EDT
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bsbg,
Thanks I ordered a couple cans about a month ago....I didn't check online, just used the catalog and all they had listed was the Earth Brown and the Coyote.....I just finished a VLTOR A1 Clubfoot stock, a bunch of KAC pannels, and will do a Tango Down Battlegrip when it arrives Monday or Tuesday for an upcoming project.... The OD came out looking pretty nice, somewhat close to the sage green on the avaitor jumpsuits and works quite well as does the true Coyote Brown in Souther Colorado.... If you use the Coyote on something please post pics. Thanks, |
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Posted: 12/7/2003 1:20:34 PM EDT
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I would be interested in pics and what you used to match the Cav Arms Coyte Brown.
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Posted: 12/7/2003 5:54:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: bsbg, If you use the Coyote on something please post pics. Thanks, Well, I was going to wait for a Vltor and a Cav Arms Ergo grip before I did my RAS panels, just in case it doesn't match. But, how would I know until I tried it... So I sprayed an A2 grip just to see what it looks like. I don't have a good comparison, but I'll post a picture tomorrow after it is dry. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 6:52:48 AM EDT
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HERE IS AN SPR UPPER WE BUILT FOR A D.O.D. CONTRACT EMPLOYEE, WITH A K-G FLAT DARK EARTH BARREL AND FOREND PANELS.
[IMG]http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/KGDarkearth.JPG[/IMG] WES GRANT [URL]MSTN.BIZ[/URL] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 8:03:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... FOR A D.O.D. CONTRACT EMPLOYEE..... I wonder how many "Contracts" the DOD gives out thee days? Great looking rifle like everything else you ever make Wes! |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:51:55 PM EDT
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[img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/077686.jpg[/img]
The tan panels are the same color.. its just the lighting but this is the brown I have.. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 1:17:45 PM EDT
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[b]Here are some samples of what we have coated[/b]
An A2 Upper and ARMS #40 in OD Green [img]www.k2-sports.com/ar15images/odu.jpg[/img] A RAS rail cover in Earth above a standard black rail cover [img]www.k2-sports.com/ar15images/earth1.jpg[/img] A Complete RAS and panels in Earth [img]www.k2-sports.com/ar15images/earth.jpg[/img] [b][email][email protected][/email][/b] [b][url]k2-sports.com[/url][/b] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 2:27:44 PM EDT
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Nice Pics John!!! That RAS and panels are on my M-4. I got it done to match my tan Vltor and stock and Cav Arms ergo grip. I have to say it matches nicely. K2 does AWESOME work!! I pick up my "Dark Earth" Redi-mag later this week.
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