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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:38:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2020 10:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Love this picture. Which trigger do you like better in your experience? Geissele & Larue, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Love this picture. Which trigger do you like better in your experience? Geissele & Larue, right? Thank you sir. For the money, the LaRue is very, very good. The LArue also, arguably, has better metallurgy. However, I preference the Geissele SDE, by a narrow margin. I have two LArue MBT2’s now, one “S” model and a curved... the “S” model is butt ugly being partially skeletonized... But functionally, it’s sweet. |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 2:20:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sabre675: Thank you sir. For the money, the LaRue is very, very good. The LArue also, arguably, has better metallurgy. However, I preference the Geissele SDE, by a narrow margin. I have two LArue MBT2’s now, one “S” model and a curved... the “S” model is butt ugly being partially skeletonized... But functionally, it’s sweet. Very welcome! I'm running a SD-E in my MARS/RL quad but have had no time behind the MBT2S. I am going to change that soon. Thank you. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/1/2020 8:55:43 PM EDT
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Dear LMT
Stop chewing up my stuff. K thanks 
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2020 1:35:41 AM EDT
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What is happening... I have spent an hour looking at about 20 different websites. Not a single one has a LMT buffer tube or buffer tube kit in stock.
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Posted: 4/2/2020 9:13:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tengo1: What is happening... I have spent an hour looking at about 20 different websites. Not a single one has a LMT buffer tube or buffer tube kit in stock. |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 10:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ2A: It'll be going on a 10.3 Colt project. And normally I wouldn't be able to but I guess it's a perk of having your own gun related business (I build AKs). Things have been wild lately |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 10:41:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joe_sun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hox: LMT parts in general seem scarce. I'm picking up an enhanced carrier and bolt from a local guy tomorrow. Couldn't find that stuff anywhere online. I think it was either on Reddit or the LMT FB group someone said that after the move to IA they are really behind on their military contract rifles so they have been focusing on those and squeezing in commercial products when they can. IDK if that's true but it makes sense. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2020 11:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun: I think it was either on Reddit or the LMT FB group someone said that after the move to IA they are really behind on their military contract rifles so they have been focusing on those and squeezing in commercial products when they can. IDK if that's true but it makes sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun: Originally Posted By Hox: LMT parts in general seem scarce. I'm picking up an enhanced carrier and bolt from a local guy tomorrow. Couldn't find that stuff anywhere online. I think it was either on Reddit or the LMT FB group someone said that after the move to IA they are really behind on their military contract rifles so they have been focusing on those and squeezing in commercial products when they can. IDK if that's true but it makes sense. I have received this same information from the owner of a company that sells a large amount of LMT products. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 12:28:09 AM EDT
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Yes that was the general consensus. No idea what kind of timeline that pushes civil availability back. I was just looking for enhanced bolt extractor springs (as spares, no problems wit hthe ones I'm running). They are on LMT's website, but shipping is $15.00 on two TINY springs
 So, I found a whole bolt and carrier for a good deal instead for way more than the $15 shipping charge on springs  funny how I work things like this out in my head.
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Posted: 4/3/2020 12:31:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tengo1: What is happening... I have spent an hour looking at about 20 different websites. Not a single one has a LMT buffer tube or buffer tube kit in stock. Yes it sucks. Welcome to the last few years.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2020 9:40:00 PM EDT
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I have a question for anyone that has experience with both the KAC sandcutter carrier, and the LMT enhanced carrier.
For an 11.5" MRP, going on a factory defender 2000 lower with a KAC H2 buffer, would a KAC sandcutter bcg with LMT Enhanced Bolt be a good substitute for a full LMT Enhanced BCG? This is a build that I have been slowly acquiring parts for over years, I am in no rush to buy anything. So with that said I don't mind waiting longer for the LMT BCG parts to come back in stock. The end state of this project that I have in mind will be a mostly suppressed set up (75% suppressed shooting) with a KAC Full size QDC. So with all that said, I am not sure how gassed the 11.5" MRP barrels are. Also, I have heard/read lots of mixed things about the LMT enhanced BCG's in regards to function with a suppressor. I am not interested in any of the adjustable carriers offered. Thanks |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 12:34:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waddlingweezol: I have a question for anyone that has experience with both the KAC sandcutter carrier, and the LMT enhanced carrier. For an 11.5" MRP, going on a factory defender 2000 lower with a KAC H2 buffer, would a KAC sandcutter bcg with LMT Enhanced Bolt be a good substitute for a full LMT Enhanced BCG? This is a build that I have been slowly acquiring parts for over years, I am in no rush to buy anything. So with that said I don't mind waiting longer for the LMT BCG parts to come back in stock. The end state of this project that I have in mind will be a mostly suppressed set up (75% suppressed shooting) with a KAC Full size QDC. So with all that said, I am not sure how gassed the 11.5" MRP barrels are. Also, I have heard/read lots of mixed things about the LMT enhanced BCG's in regards to function with a suppressor. I am not interested in any of the adjustable carriers offered. Thanks |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2020 12:51:00 AM EDT
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^ Thank you.
Please let me know how the enhanced bcg compares. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 1:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hox: I literally sold my Sandcutter today because I bought an LMT enhanced bcg yesterday. I run an 11.5 suppressed. With the sandcutter, function was fine with a geissele braided wire and an H2 or H3. But I did get some gas if I was running it fast and ejection was about 2 o'clock. I have not yet shot the LMT enhanced but it makes more sense from a technical standpoint. Increased lockup time, more gas vented. I cant see how it wont be better for a short barrel suppressed. When I shoot it, I'll update. Also have a gas buster coming. Gas wasnt too awful, seemed appropriate, but running fast I'd have black carbon dots on my face. I need to try another enhanced carrier as I'm thinking I received a faulty one. My carrier speed increased therefore causing malfunctions as many here probably recall. (Suppressed 11.5") |
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USA
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:38:06 AM EDT
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Things may have changed but lmt used to only reccomend three E-BCG with 14.5" or longer barrels.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2020 10:59:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtdam24: Things may have changed but lmt used to only reccomend three E-BCG with 14.5" or longer barrels. That has changed as it has gone through a number of revisions. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 3:32:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ2A: I need to try another enhanced carrier as I'm thinking I received a faulty one. My carrier speed increased therefore causing malfunctions as many here probably recall. (Suppressed 11.5") |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 6:27:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: domestique1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ2A: I need to try another enhanced carrier as I'm thinking I received a faulty one. My carrier speed increased therefore causing malfunctions as many here probably recall. (Suppressed 11.5") I'm not sold on the LMT Enhanced carrier for slowing down carrier speed to significantly change the rate of fire. It was designed more to increase dwell time and have a less violent bolt unlock. This is directly from LMT: Behold the laundry list of enhancements our design brings to the table: Carrier: Altered cam path for longer dwell time and more robust extraction Modified gas hole improves gas flow across the bolt’s tail Additional gas ports on right side and modified orientation to improve gas flowing through the ejection port, and not into your face Relief grooves added to the top and bottom to channel debris and maintain fluid movement They do not mention anything about reducing rate of fire. I know many do not like adjustable carriers, but the Gemtech/Boot Leg IMHO will bleed off excess gas better then the LMT. The Surefire version would also be a good choice if you don't want to mess with settings. The LMT bolt however.... awesome design. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2020 7:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1: I know many do not like adjustable carriers, but the Gemtech/Boot Leg IMHO will bleed off excess gas better then the LMT. As someone who has both, this is very true. If you're looking for something on a dedicated suppressed rifle this can't be beat vs. the EBCG. The only thing lacking on an adjustable carrier is that it doesn't provide extra dwell time like the E. The E bolt can be used with an adjustable carrier, so you may be able to get an ultra reliable bolt with a great carrier. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 7:44:35 PM EDT
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I tried the Bootleg and Gemtech adjustable carriers but when it was all setup to run suppressed (which it did very well) it wouldn't run reliably without a can
I know I know, all it takes is a quick adjustment on the carrier but I'm very old school. I want the rifle to work in all situations and configurations with no adjustments. With that being said, I've been very happy with the standard M16 carrier + H3 + Geissele recoil spring. No issues with and without the can for a few thousand rounds  Oh and LMTs enhanced bolts are exceptional! I have them in all of my rifles, even the non LMTs |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 8:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ2A: I tried the Bootleg and Gemtech adjustable carriers but when it was all setup to run suppressed (which it did very well) it wouldn't run reliably without a can I know I know, all it takes is a quick adjustment on the carrier but I'm very old school. I want the rifle to work in all situations and configurations with no adjustments. With that being said, I've been very happy with the standard M16 carrier + H3 + Geissele recoil spring. No issues with and without the can for a few thousand rounds Oh and LMTs enhanced bolts are exceptional! I have them in all of my rifles, even the non LMTs
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2020 7:32:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sniper3142]
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I've searched the internet in general and this site in particular without finding ANY mention of what I saw in the video below from Shot Show 2020.
 LMT DEFENSE - AUSTRIAARMS @ SHOTSHOW 2020 At the 2 minute and 37 second mark (2:37), the rifle on the bottom is a LMT MWS in .308... with a GAS PISTON.  
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: I've searched the internet in general and this site in particular without finding ANY mention of what I saw in the video below from Shot Show 2020.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJ7ny3X2QsAt the 2 minute and 37 second mark (2:37), the rifle on the bottom is a LMT MWS in .308... with a GAS PISTON. I believe it was for a contract submission. Unsure if it will ever make it to civilian hands. I would probably buy one just because I'm a LMT whore... but I wouldn't look forward to the weight. My MWS rifles are already pigs. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:13:08 PM EDT
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Os the mlok mws chassis longer than the quad?
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2020 9:27:27 PM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:02:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emtothedee: Os the mlok mws chassis longer than the quad? No, they are all the same length |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emtothedee: Os the mlok mws chassis longer than the quad? Same. I count to T-49 on both.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:14:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLove these pictures. Nice rifle Sir. |
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:31:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: I've searched the internet in general and this site in particular without finding ANY mention of what I saw in the video below from Shot Show 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LJ7ny3X2QsAt the 2 minute and 37 second mark (2:37), the rifle on the bottom is a LMT MWS in .308... with a GAS PISTON. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/shot-2020-lmt-talk-estonian-contract/ |
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USA
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Posted: 4/5/2020 10:51:24 PM EDT
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So it’s a rifle length piston then
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2020 3:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Same. I count to T-49 on both. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401845/Untitled_jpg-1353277.JPG I just noticed now that LMT moved the MWS' case deflector rearward some. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 4:56:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR415: I just noticed now that LMT moved the MWS' case deflector rearward some. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR415: Originally Posted By M4ger: Same. I count to T-49 on both. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401845/Untitled_jpg-1353277.JPG I just noticed now that LMT moved the MWS' case deflector rearward some. good catch. I wondered if the forgings were different and that would be an easy way to designate which ones receive which kind of milling. |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 6:02:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Love these pictures. Nice rifle Sir. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Love these pictures. Nice rifle Sir. Thanks brother |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 6:18:46 PM EDT
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jtdam24
Great job, brother. Looks like you are holding up your end plenty damn solid! |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 6:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By edwin907: jtdam24 Great job, brother. Looks like you are holding up your end plenty damn solid! That's a huge compliment coming from an OG like you sir. Thank you |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 6:54:12 PM EDT
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My current go to
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Posted: 4/6/2020 9:39:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jtdam24: Thanks brother Originally Posted By edwin907: jtdam24 Great job, brother. Looks like you are holding up your end plenty damn solid! |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 11:25:57 PM EDT
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I know I don’t post much and lurk but I have a question-
What is your go to barrel length for your no nonsense/trust with your life- gun? Is the 11.5” barrel the way to go? Thanks |
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Posted: 4/6/2020 11:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunner03: I know I don’t post much and lurk but I have a question- What is your go to barrel length for your no nonsense/trust with your life- gun? Is the 11.5” barrel the way to go? Thanks 11.5 seems to be the perfect balance for most uses (home defense, vehicle use, LE duty rifle, overall SHTF use). I've been very happy with mine with thousands of rounds |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 12:19:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gunner03: I know I don't post much and lurk but I have a question- What is your go to barrel length for your no nonsense/trust with your life- gun? Is the 11.5" barrel the way to go? Thanks |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2020 9:00:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: welcome! Worth repeating. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger: Originally Posted By jtdam24: Thanks brother Originally Posted By edwin907: jtdam24 Great job, brother. Looks like you are holding up your end plenty damn solid! Man, you guys are awesome. And what you have done with the platform is incredible. That kind of customer support is legendary. But when you get a chance, go back and read some of the first MRP thread. And remember this quote "Like it or not, the MRP will be obsolete in January 2005." And my first MRP post: On page #9, 2-22-05 "Keep your fingers crossed, guys, my MRP is officially on the way. I hope the Ruskies can hold out a few more days before their first strike (LOL)! Just don't hit the big brown truck! I've got 4 ARMS mounts/hardware, rail covers, 2 Troy sights, and a Bushmaster lower/collapsible stock getting all jumpy here". SMG-Lee, Curtis, WES, ZAK, DUFFY, Lumpy, Jack, USMC03, Chaos, Dinger, M4, Moe, C4, Denny, Nick, Wolf, bsbg, raptorman, and the rest. What a motley crue, rogues gallery, or whatever you want to call them now. It was great! That first pic, without the front Troy, backordered!  |
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Posted: 4/7/2020 10:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By edwin907: Man, you guys are awesome. And what you have done with the platform is incredible. That kind of customer support is legendary. But when you get a chance, go back and read some of the first MRP thread. And remember this quote "Like it or not, the MRP will be obsolete in January 2005." And my first MRP post: On page #9, 2-22-05 "Keep your fingers crossed, guys, my MRP is officially on the way. I hope the Ruskies can hold out a few more days before their first strike (LOL)! Just don't hit the big brown truck! I've got 4 ARMS mounts/hardware, rail covers, 2 Troy sights, and a Bushmaster lower/collapsible stock getting all jumpy here". SMG-Lee, Curtis, WES, ZAK, DUFFY, Lumpy, Jack, USMC03, Chaos, Dinger, M4, Moe, C4, Denny, Nick, Wolf, bsbg, raptorman, and the rest. What a motley crue, rogues gallery, or whatever you want to call them now. It was great! That first pic, without the front Troy, backordered! https://i.imgur.com/bKFtbBF.jpg?1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By edwin907: Originally Posted By M4ger: Originally Posted By jtdam24: Thanks brother Originally Posted By edwin907: jtdam24 Great job, brother. Looks like you are holding up your end plenty damn solid! Man, you guys are awesome. And what you have done with the platform is incredible. That kind of customer support is legendary. But when you get a chance, go back and read some of the first MRP thread. And remember this quote "Like it or not, the MRP will be obsolete in January 2005." And my first MRP post: On page #9, 2-22-05 "Keep your fingers crossed, guys, my MRP is officially on the way. I hope the Ruskies can hold out a few more days before their first strike (LOL)! Just don't hit the big brown truck! I've got 4 ARMS mounts/hardware, rail covers, 2 Troy sights, and a Bushmaster lower/collapsible stock getting all jumpy here". SMG-Lee, Curtis, WES, ZAK, DUFFY, Lumpy, Jack, USMC03, Chaos, Dinger, M4, Moe, C4, Denny, Nick, Wolf, bsbg, raptorman, and the rest. What a motley crue, rogues gallery, or whatever you want to call them now. It was great! That first pic, without the front Troy, backordered! https://i.imgur.com/bKFtbBF.jpg?1 Truly amazing Edwin. Really an amazing account of the history of the mrp platform from a real world user and an incredible look back at the start of the phenomenon we've all come to love. Thanks frmor bringing me back down memory lane. I remember reading through the first thread thinking omg these are insane! I'll never be able to have one of these! All these years and over a dozen mrps later, I still love them just as much as when I first thought I'd never be lucky enough to have just one of them. I've had a intimate connection with LMT for some years now and this is a good post to let out a secret. A few years ago LMT was hoping to release a 1911 made by them at SHOT show. It never came to fruition but can you imagine if it had.. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 12:01:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Enhanced bolts (not BCG) in stock at Forward Control Designs.
No relationship to seller, just a solid store with fantastic customer service. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 1:15:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtdam24: Truly amazing Edwin. Really an amazing account of the history of the mrp platform from a real world user and an incredible look back at the start of the phenomenon we've all come to love. Thanks frmor bringing me back down memory lane. I remember reading through the first thread thinking omg these are insane! I'll never be able to have one of these! All these years and over a dozen mrps later, I still love them just as much as when I first thought I'd never be lucky enough to have just one of them. I've had a intimate connection with LMT for some years now and this is a good post to let out a secret. A few years ago LMT was hoping to release a 1911 made by them at SHOT show. It never came to fruition but can you imagine if it had.. Wow. Cool. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 1:20:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M4ger]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR415: I just noticed now that LMT moved the MWS' case deflector rearward some. FWIW, I have a black MWS upper with the same patent markings as my canteen MWS upper and the shell deflectors are spaced differently like the picture I linked. Both are quads. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 9:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By methical20: Enhanced bolts (not BCG) in stock at Forward Control Designs. No relationship to seller, just a solid store with fantastic customer service. Sold out |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 11:02:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: monsonman]
[#47]
@edwin907, great post. those early threads that you, jtdam24, duffy and the rest were all involved in, inspired me to buy my first MRP over 10 years ago.
Here's a pic of my first one taken around 2011  and then shortly after it turned into this  After that became a whirlwind of chopping, dimpling, adding barrels to the collection, adding more MRPs to the collection, etc... Good Times. a couple pages back I mentioned that unclemoak had a package coming from me. Here's a couple teasers til I get it back.  
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Posted: 4/9/2020 3:26:55 PM EDT
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Thinking about having a 14.5 chopped down to 12.5, good to go ? Any issues if used with an enhanced BCG ?
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2020 6:42:57 PM EDT
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FWIW to those discussing the enhanced carrier/suppressed/SBR guns, my setup experience is as follows:
- 14.5" Barrel cut to 11.5" by Marvin Pitts (gas-port unchanged) - Enhanced carrier & Standard Bolt - Vltor A5 buffer system - KAC CQB suppressor Un-suppressed = Never had a failure to feed/cycle. Suppressed = Occasional failure to fully cycle. Last round ejects, new round feeds, but trigger does not reset. It plays out like a short-stroke, which is interesting because you'd think this would be more likely to happen without the suppressor and the additional gas-pressure it provides. I've tried 3 different A5 buffer weights, but same behavior with each. Granted, I'm pushing the envelope a bit here with the un-opened gas port on a shortened barrel, enhanced carrier, and short can. (This is maybe a 2-5 per 100 round occurrence) Been planning on testing with a standard carrier to see if that makes a difference. Also, the now available factory 11.5" barrels are probably more heavily gassed than mine...So I might pick one of those up at some point. Minimal to no-gas in face and pretty much seems like I'm shooting un-suppressed. The short can (less backpressure) also plays a part in this I'd imagine though. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2020 8:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Xskier45:Suppressed = Occasional failure to fully cycle. Last round ejects, new round feeds, but trigger does not reset. It plays out like a short-stroke, which is interesting because you'd think this would be more likely to happen without the suppressor and the additional gas-pressure it provides. I've tried 3 different A5 buffer weights, but same behavior with each. Granted, I'm pushing the envelope a bit here with the un-opened gas port on a shortened barrel, enhanced carrier, and short can. (This is maybe a 2-5 per 100 round occurrence) Been planning on testing with a standard carrier to see if that makes a difference. Also, the now available factory 11.5" barrels are probably more heavily gassed than mine...So I might pick one of those up at some point. Trigger doesn't reset?? But round is fully fed? Ever a failure to feed? Fresh recoil spring? Where is ejection unsuppressed vs suppressed.? Trigger pack? Have you tried a regular 10.5" LMT barrel? 14.5" good with & without suppressor? Definitely give the regular carrier a whirl. |
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