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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:36:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Radian ended this competition years ago.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:53:14 PM EDT
[#2]
Radian is better. Try out the standard all aluminum version instead of the LT.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:58:25 PM EDT
[#3]
In general, I prefer the feel of the MBT over the G2S. Now if you step up to the B-G2S-E, that feels better than the MBT.
B-G2S-E is the Brownells exclusive version of the G2S that feels just like the SSA-E. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:05:19 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In general, I prefer the feel of the MBT over the G2S. Now if you step up to the B-G2S-E, that feels better than the MBT. B-G2S-E is the Brownells exclusive version of the G2S that feels just like the SSA-E.  
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:32:20 AM EDT
[#5]
I have several of both. They are pretty equal, IMO. Get the one you like the looks of. Not the LT one though.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:42:38 AM EDT
[#6]
I never understood the big appeal of Geissele products. Their triggers used to be the best when it was only them.
Radian 100%. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:56:58 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the big appeal of Geissele products. Their triggers used to be the best when it was only them. Radian 100%. The appeal is G makes good stuff. The Radian is very good, but so is the G. Both are light-years nicer than milspec. There's not a wrong answer here. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:16:36 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In general, I prefer the feel of the MBT over the G2S. Now if you step up to the B-G2S-E, that feels better than the MBT. B-G2S-E is the Brownells exclusive version of the G2S that feels just like the SSA-E. I have a gift card that limits me to the G2S. If I could I would consider the Brownells. What do you feel is the difference between the MBT-2S compared to the G2S? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:18:18 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have several of both. They are pretty equal, IMO. Get the one you like the looks of. Not the LT one though. The LT version seems to capture the best of Radian’s design while being lighter weight and more affordable. However the overall color and design of the Geissele SCH DDC looks damn pretty. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:21:29 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a gift card that limits me to the G2S. If I could I would consider the Brownells. What do you feel is the difference between the MBT-2S compared to the G2S? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:41:26 AM EDT
[#11]
Radian aluminum for my charging handles, and Geissele SSA for my triggers. So get both
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:08:11 AM EDT
[#12]
Geissele is more Gucci. It really is an amazing handle. I have both and like Gucci.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:10:11 AM EDT
[#13]
If you’re not shooting suppressed then it really doesn’t matter. If you are, then the Geissele has a slight advantage.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:48:17 AM EDT
[#14]
I’ve never tried a Raptor but the levers on the G are hard to grab or pinch because of the pointy shape.
If all you do is hook a finger and rip it, I guess it’s ok. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:26:30 AM EDT
[#15]
Radian and MBT is a great and affordable combination.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:46:44 AM EDT
[#16]
I prefer the Vltor charging handle over them all.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:47:22 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the Vltor charging handle over them all. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:55:30 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the Vltor charging handle over them all. They seem to be in a middle ground between a standard Mil-Spec and the fully gucci/ambi charging handles. I have also seen POF Ambis available but I don’t hear much about them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:32:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Raptor SD is by far the best charging handle, if you ever plan to shoot it suppressed. Unfortunately, they are nigh impossible to find these days.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:49:32 PM EDT
[#20]
I have both an think it just a matter of flipping a coin. I see no real advantage between the two.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:57:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both an think it just a matter of flipping a coin. I see no real advantage between the two. The Raptor is unparalleled for non-suppressed shooting. For suppressed, Armageddon Tactical EVO |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:24:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the Vltor charging handle over them all. I have 2 ARs with Ambi Vltor BCM Gunfighter Mod 4, I like these a lot. One with G Airborne ambi, this has smaller latches and not as easy to grab if you have a scope. I have range gun with the LT ambi, seem ok. I shoot lefty so ambi changing handle is nice. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:29:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I never understood the big appeal of Geissele products. Their triggers used to be the best when it was only them. Radian 100%. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:57:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 2 ARs with Ambi Vltor BCM Gunfighter Mod 4, I like these a lot. One with G Airborne ambi, this has smaller latches and not as easy to grab if you have a scope. I have range gun with the LT ambi, seem ok. I shoot lefty so ambi changing handle is nice. That’s good to know. I’ll be running a Huey for the build I’m planning on making some adjustments to. I don’t think the handle would be too small since I’ll have the clearance on my upper receiver. As of now I have complete build but I’m prioritizing between the following: -Upgrading my l mil-spec charging handle to Geissele SCH ($90) or Radian LT ($63) -Upgrading my PSA “Enhanced” Trigger to a Geissele G2S ($155) -Adding a Streamlight HL-X weapon light (considering staying away from this since I’m trying to keep the build lightweight) -Adding MBUS Sights (tempted to hold off until Gen 3’s release since I don’t think my Huey will fail me) What do you all think from that list? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 3:01:19 PM EDT
[#25]
Like others, I have both and like both. 6 half dozen of the other imo.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 3:53:48 PM EDT
[#26]
The G CH snags on stuff. Even the airborne one snags.
Never had a Radian Snag on gear. Less pointy handles I guess. PRI gasbuster is the way to go for suppressed. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:04:16 PM EDT
[#27]
I found a Raptor LT on sale about a year or so ago and picked it up. It's nice.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:32:59 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BCM? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer the Vltor charging handle over them all. The Vltor charging handles used to be sold under the Bravo Company name, but the current Bravo Company charging handles are just their own version of the Raptor... Same as Geissele, all the new handles are just Raptor copies. I'm glad Vltor decided to keep making them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 4:41:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Started out with one Raptor on my bedside 300. Now have them on everything.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:11:52 PM EDT
[#30]
I had all of those same decisions to make within the last year or so. Here’s how I’d upgrade in order:
Trigger - softer trigger makes first shots and follow up shots more accurate, very much so compared to a GI single stage. I went with the MBT-2S based on recommendations here and have no regrets. Irons - once you have a smooth trigger, you’ll find the gun to be boringly accurate shooting 200 and in at stationary targets. Irons add a challenge back. I’ve stuck with the MBUS Pro front for the tool-less adjustable front elevation and the fine match front post option built in. For rears, I wanted the bullet drop functionality to match my ACSS scope (1000yd) and ACSS red dot (600yd). I’ve tried the MBUS Pro LR (600m), KAC 600m micro and LMT 700yd. I like the LMT the best (dual aperture, controls not too stiff to move without tools, yardage mark is viewable from either side of rifle). The other two rear sights are missing at least one of those features. Charging Handle - I bought the Radian Raptor LT, because I was too cheap to pay for the metal one. As a lefty, I absolutely hate the GI charging handle and anything here is an upgrade regardless of brand. Light - Unless you shoot at night, or realistically expect a defensive scenario, this is just a decoration compared to the others. I bought a HL-X and the Cloud Defensive switch mount. I loved the light but it was heavy (nagging support arm shoulder injury). I just sold it to mount a far lighter Surefire X300U pistol light upside down in front of my irons Larry Vickers style. You could go with a cheaper pistol light, because Surefire prices are a gut punch, but I did it for their ambi switches. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:43:32 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Radian is better. Try out the standard all aluminum version instead of the LT. Agree, I have a few Radian LT's and should have went with the standard.... Never used a Geissele, but the Radian IMO is an excellent charging handle |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:46:34 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Raptor is unparalleled for non-suppressed shooting. For suppressed, Armageddon Tactical EVO I need to try the Armageddon Tactial, my KAC Mod 1 is as gassy as a pork-n-beans weekend. I have a Radian with the vent slots, no difference |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:48:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Raptor SD is by far the best charging handle, if you ever plan to shoot it suppressed. Unfortunately, they are nigh impossible to find these days. I'd just say that in my experience, the SD is mediocre at best when it comes to diverting gas while shooting suppressed. They work okay as long as the gun is dirty enough to help seal the charging handle channel, but in a clean gun, they provide essentially no benefits. Perhaps if you lucked out with an upper receiver that was right at the minimum tolerance specs, it might be alright, but that doesn't say much for the product design. In general, Raptors are great, but as far as charging handles specifically for suppressed use, the SD isn't something I'd recommend. Give me a Gas Buster with combat latch any day. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:51:01 PM EDT
[#34]
I've got Radians in all of my guns.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:14:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The G CH snags on stuff. Even the airborne one snags. Never had a Radian Snag on gear. Less pointy handles I guess. PRI gasbuster is the way to go for suppressed. ...until you decide to switch hands and shoot lefty. Then you realize just how well they divert excess gas. But if you only shoot righty, they are the bees knees. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:01:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to try the Armageddon Tactial, my KAC Mod 1 is as gassy as a pork-n-beans weekend. I have a Radian with the vent slots, no difference Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Raptor is unparalleled for non-suppressed shooting. For suppressed, Armageddon Tactical EVO I need to try the Armageddon Tactial, my KAC Mod 1 is as gassy as a pork-n-beans weekend. I have a Radian with the vent slots, no difference Do it. It's the best out there. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:36:30 PM EDT
[#37]
I have both. I like the Geissele vs the Radian Raptor(The regular one) but not by much. I think the Geissele doesn't stick out quite as far and feels slightly more robust.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:46:52 PM EDT
[#38]
I saw a couple say to avoid the LT. Why's that? What's wrong with that version?
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:57:06 PM EDT
[#39]
I have a few Raptors and I do really like them, but since Radian decided not to send me the few I ordered on Black Friday, I bought a Geissele Super. I guess I’ll see in a week or so how it compares.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:03:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s good to know. I’ll be running a Huey for the build I’m planning on making some adjustments to. I don’t think the handle would be too small since I’ll have the clearance on my upper receiver. As of now I have complete build but I’m prioritizing between the following: -Upgrading my l mil-spec charging handle to Geissele SCH ($90) or Radian LT ($63) -Upgrading my PSA “Enhanced” Trigger to a Geissele G2S ($155) -Adding a Streamlight HL-X weapon light (considering staying away from this since I’m trying to keep the build lightweight) -Adding MBUS Sights (tempted to hold off until Gen 3’s release since I don’t think my Huey will fail me) What do you all think from that list? If you're going for lightweight, may I suggest that you look into an Inforce WML or WMLx for a light? If I can recall correctly, the WML weights less than three rounds of 9x19 115 grain ball. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 10:54:35 PM EDT
[#41]
I like the Geissele a bit better. Can't go wrong either way!
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:50:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Both are great so for most it's personal preference.
Both have good non-slip texturing on the levers. Vertical serrations on the Radian versus tread (vertical and horizontal grooves giving it a surface almost like coarse checkering) on the Geissele. The Raptor has a short lever on the latch side and a long lever on the forward assist side versus The Geissele's equal length levers, two short levers on the SCH-Airborne and two long levers on the SCH. The levers on the Geissele are curved and come to more of a point than the Raptor. The Raptor's levers start a little bit further back and after a short radius are angled forward with no curve (flat face). The Geissele has a small lip across the top where it meets the top of the receiver (to deflect some gas). Some people put a bead of silicone across the top of Raptors to seal off gas. In both designs the latch side lever moves independently from the other lever. While the forward assist side lever works upon the latch side lever. The Geissele's latch is a separate piece (that has a leg that travels in a channel in the latch side lever) and is pinned in independently from the lever. The Raptor's latch is part of the lever (at least it is on the original aluminum lever version).     
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:02:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both are great so for most it's personal preference. Both have good non-slip texturing on the levers. Vertical serrations on the Radian versus tread (vertical and horizontal grooves giving it a surface almost like coarse checkering) on the Geissele. The Raptor has a short lever on the latch side and a long lever on the forward assist side versus The Geissele's equal length levers, two short levers on the SCH-Airborne and two long levers on the SCH. The levers on the Geissele are curved and come to more of a point than the Raptor. The Raptor's levers start a little bit further back and after a short radius are angled forward with no curve (flat face). The Geissele has a small lip across the top where it meets the top of the receiver (to deflect some gas). Some people put a bead of silicone across the top of Raptors to seal off gas. In both designs the latch side lever moves independently from the other lever. While the forward assist side lever works upon the latch side lever. The Geissele's latch is a separate piece (that has a leg that travels in a channel in the latch side lever) and is pinned in independently from the lever. The Raptor's latch is part of the lever (at least it is on the original aluminum lever version). https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_01.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/R0149_03.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/R0149_02.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_02.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_03.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 Wow, this is a fantastic analysis. There are so many small details that I wouldn’t have noticed until I actually bought one and held it in-hand. I’m tempted to purchase the Geissele because of the DDC finish and based on the fact that I haven’t owned one yet. It’s the same reason I’m leaning towards buying a Geissele G2S even though I know the LaRue is cheaper. Might as well experience something new that you know you is top-tier and won’t disappoint you at the end of the day. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:05:50 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're going for lightweight, may I suggest that you look into an Inforce WML or WMLx for a light? If I can recall correctly, the WML weights less than three rounds of 9x19 115 grain ball. I have heard that the Inforce WMLs are not very powerful compared to Streamlight or Surefire. If I’m trying to save weight I will likely go with one of the smaller 600 lumen Surefire models or even the Streamlight TLR-1HL that comes with a pressure pad |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:08:31 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had all of those same decisions to make within the last year or so. Here’s how I’d upgrade in order: Trigger - softer trigger makes first shots and follow up shots more accurate, very much so compared to a GI single stage. I went with the MBT-2S based on recommendations here and have no regrets. Irons - once you have a smooth trigger, you’ll find the gun to be boringly accurate shooting 200 and in at stationary targets. Irons add a challenge back. I’ve stuck with the MBUS Pro front for the tool-less adjustable front elevation and the fine match front post option built in. For rears, I wanted the bullet drop functionality to match my ACSS scope (1000yd) and ACSS red dot (600yd). I’ve tried the MBUS Pro LR (600m), KAC 600m micro and LMT 700yd. I like the LMT the best (dual aperture, controls not too stiff to move without tools, yardage mark is viewable from either side of rifle). The other two rear sights are missing at least one of those features. Charging Handle - I bought the Radian Raptor LT, because I was too cheap to pay for the metal one. As a lefty, I absolutely hate the GI charging handle and anything here is an upgrade regardless of brand. Light - Unless you shoot at night, or realistically expect a defensive scenario, this is just a decoration compared to the others. I bought a HL-X and the Cloud Defensive switch mount. I loved the light but it was heavy (nagging support arm shoulder injury). I just sold it to mount a far lighter Surefire X300U pistol light upside down in front of my irons Larry Vickers style. You could go with a cheaper pistol light, because Surefire prices are a gut punch, but I did it for their ambi switches. Thanks for the thoughtful response. I agree with your ranking for the most part. I’m highly leaning towards picking up a G2S trigger with a 10% coupon I’ve been holding on in my back pocket. I heard it’s essentially the SSA Trigger for cheaper which sounds like a great deal to me. Those new Magpul MBUS Gen. 3s that were announced look like an incredible deal but who knows when they will hit the market. Because of that I’m going to wait until they release and likely buy the trigger and a charging handle in the meantime. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:34:28 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both are great so for most it's personal preference. Both have good non-slip texturing on the levers. Vertical serrations on the Radian versus tread (vertical and horizontal grooves giving it a surface almost like coarse checkering) on the Geissele. The Raptor has a short lever on the latch side and a long lever on the forward assist side versus The Geissele's equal length levers, two short levers on the SCH-Airborne and two long levers on the SCH. The levers on the Geissele are curved and come to more of a point than the Raptor. The Raptor's levers start a little bit further back and after a short radius are angled forward with no curve (flat face). The Geissele has a small lip across the top where it meets the top of the receiver (to deflect some gas). Some people put a bead of silicone across the top of Raptors to seal off gas. In both designs the latch side lever moves independently from the other lever. While the forward assist side lever works upon the latch side lever. The Geissele's latch is a separate piece (that has a leg that travels in a channel in the latch side lever) and is pinned in independently from the lever. The Raptor's latch is part of the lever (at least it is on the original aluminum lever version). https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_01.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/R0149_03.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/R0149_02.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_02.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000https://www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/05-313S_03.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 Geissele also has the Government CH which is the Airborne CH but with the points rounded off, losing the half column of checkering at the outer edge of the ACH. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 7:38:41 AM EDT
[#47]
I have the Geissele G2S in most ARs.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:21:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Radian and MBT is a great and affordable combination. absolutely! |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 2:42:37 PM EDT
[#49]
I have both a radian lt and a regular.
The regular looks better. Functionality is the same. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 3:20:38 PM EDT
[#50]
Anyone ever use the Radian vented charging handles to stem the dreaded "Gas Face" with suppressors?
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