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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:49:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARogueNinja]
This thread will be dedicated to builds and discussions of the FBI clones and thanks to Geissele for listening to the masses and releasing the much coveted rail. Parts lists will be updated as we go. Please keep it on topic and post pictures of your builds and "in the wild" photos.
     Barrel: Colt 11.5" barrels & others since there was already a mix of stuff out there between the different offices, prior to the upgrade starting. Lower: Colt/ some older DOJ contract RRA lowers, among others. Grip: ERGO/ Hogue/ A2 Upper: Most of the uppers appear to be Colt marked. Rail: Troy and Geissele, seems like the main colors for the MK4 rail are Black and OD, unsure of the others. Flash hider: A2 flashhiders/ Surefire/ KAC NT4 Optics: Aimpoint H1/T1s & H2/T2s are approved, along with the Daniel Defense mounts. The Sig Romeo4 red dot was also approved and is being used by some other federal agencies too. Spuhr mounts for Aimpoints for HRT guns. EOTech EXPS 3 & G33 Magnifier Sights: Troy BUIS/ Magpul MBUS Laser: L3 AN/ PEQ 15 Stock: CTRs Sling: VTAC 2 points/ Magpul MS Light: WMLs/ Surefire Scout More info here: Industry Thread Originally Posted By mbpike: Originally Posted By GS5414: Alright homies. I'm going to drop some knowledge, and then ghost. Folks generally got a handle on the right parts. Right now, the FBI has stopped throwing out their T2s/Spuhr mounts because folks are starting to regret replacing them with the ROMEO RDS. Things aren't holding up to abuse and long life. Who knew. You'll see the Aimpoint make a comeback. Also, nobody in this thread has the right gas block. Geissele gas blocks are used on the FBI guns, but they are port restricted gas blocks, as in the ports aren't drilled all the way out. We used them in the USMC for some of the souped up M4s, at both 0.072" restricted for 14.5" guns (a bit too small), and 0.068" restricted for 10.3" guns. The FBI uses 0.067" restricted blocks. I think I have one of them stashed away that I never managed to use - might take a photo of it if I can find it. They do a good job keeping gas port erosion from affecting function of the guns as the barrels burn out. Keeps carrier speeds lower, recoil is a bit softer. They are not sold commercially, or even talked about for that matter. If you want the same function, take a G block and thread it for a BRT Micro Tune 0.067" port insert. I'm out. S/F Lets get this added to the OP. Originally Posted By elucidate: Not a clone. Large regional SWAT. Skinny commando barrel. Originally Posted By elucidate: Indeed. When I said 'not a clone' by that I meant it's a picture of a real upper, sat on a desk in a large regional FBI training facility, not something I made at home. Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Originally Posted By AZgunner: I haven't decided if I'm doing the clone correct green rail, or if I'll do the same setup but in all black. It depends on where I'm at in a few months. If I need to give my current rifle back and use the FBI clone on duty, I need to do it in black, as only all black color schemes are currently authorized. A black rifle can be completely clone correct, it would just represent a regular agent's rifle, not HRT or Regional SWAT. This thread started as a result of the interest in the green Geissele Mk4 handguards that showed up on Regional SWAT rifles, but all four Geissele colors are in use by the FBI. People are just (understandably) a bit fixated on the green ones because they look great. That's led to what a lot of people are doing, which is combining the features of the HRT and SWAT rifles into a mixed clone (SWAT green handguard and CTR stock, HRT heavy barrel, and Spuhr HRT Aimpoint mount). I think it would be great if @ARogueNinja could update the original post to reflect the four FBI variants that are out there (these details are incomplete and could be a little off): HRT: DDC Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt HRT heavy barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Spuhr mount (not sure about the stock), black or FDE(?) CTR or Colt stock Regional SWAT: OD Green Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount, OD green CTR or Colt stock Vehicle Teams: Grey Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Sig Romeo, FAB Defense PTK AFG, Maxim Defense collapsible stock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1182/green___grey_M4_carbines_jpg-1584398.JPG Field Agent: Black Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount or Sig Romeo, black CTR or Colt stock I think this is a grey Mk4 issued to hrt4me but is (I believe) representative of the standard agent rifle configuration. I don't recall seeing any photos in this thread of a regular agent's carbine: https://i.imgur.com/A6UVttH.jpg |
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Posted: 11/12/2020 3:59:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Brownells just got the stripped Colt 11.5" 6933 barrels back in stock for those non-HRT clones: 160-000-516WB LE6933 Replacement Barrel Stripped 11.5in $246.99 right now, so $20 more than Apex, but there may be a coupon code out there. Looks like SAE worked recently for $15, but there may be a $20 off $200 coupon available. Just another option if someone is already planning an order with Brownells. I like Apex but I'd pay the $20 extra to replace it incase I got bit by shoddy Colt QC a third time. That said my Brownell's sourced 6933 stripped barrel was perfect. |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 4:17:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NoveskeFan]
[#2]
Might’ve been asked and I missed it. Anyone blown out a QD socket on these rails (Geissele MK4 Federal)? Would it be better to mount a rail or m-lok slot QD socket instead of using the built in sockets? With as hard as these are to acquire, just wondering if it’s an issue. Thanks.
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Posted: 11/15/2020 5:48:55 PM EDT
[#3]
I finally have an appropriate optic coming for this build. Ended up getting an Aimpoint H2. Now I need a mount and that’s where I’m stuck. The build still isn’t 100% correct since it has a SOPMOD stock and HRT profile barrel.
So should I go with the Spuhr HRT mount or Daniel Defense mount? Other non clone options would be either a Geissele or Larue. 
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Posted: 11/15/2020 6:59:45 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: So should I go with the Spuhr HRT mount or Daniel Defense mount? Other non clone options would be either a Geissele or Larue. Looks great! Personally, I think since you went with the OD green version, you should go with the Daniel Defense mount, which is what regional SWAT uses for their Aimpoints. You can see several photo examples in the original post on page 1. |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 8:17:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KimberZ71: Might’ve been asked and I missed it. Anyone blown out a QD socket on these rails (Geissele MK4 Federal)? Would it be better to mount a rail or m-lok slot QD socket instead of using the built in sockets? With as hard as these are to acquire, just wondering if it’s an issue. Thanks. Steel QD sockets are never a bad idea, I went with one from Forward Controls Design. |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 10:43:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: I finally have an appropriate optic coming for this build. Ended up getting an Aimpoint H2. Now I need a mount and that’s where I’m stuck. The build still isn’t 100% correct since it has a SOPMOD stock and HRT profile barrel. So should I go with the Spuhr HRT mount or Daniel Defense mount? Other non clone options would be either a Geissele or Larue. https://i.imgur.com/TPCWOO3.jpg I went with a DD mount on mine but only because it was cheaper 
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Posted: 11/15/2020 10:44:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: I went with a DD mount on mine but only because it was cheaper Ended up snagging a lower 1/3 Geissele off of the EE for a good price so going with that for now.
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Posted: 11/20/2020 9:17:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Got my Reptilia CQG in field drab cause it was the closest color they offer to Green...it's pretty tan/fde. What color is getting fielded?
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Posted: 11/22/2020 2:56:24 PM EDT
[#9]
Not sure how to link you tube videos but I came across a hrt video. Most of it is older footage and old gear but at the very end I think I see a couple G rails.
Video name of you want to search it FBI Hostage Rescue Team | FBI HRT It’s about 30 minutes long. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 3:40:01 PM EDT
[#10]
I wonder if this how people feel when stepping into the mk18 thread.. lol
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Posted: 11/22/2020 3:56:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: I wonder if this how people feel when stepping into the mk18 thread.. lol That’s a whole different beast over there
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Posted: 11/22/2020 4:01:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: I wonder if this how people feel when stepping into the mk18 thread.. lol Ah, I remember my first venture into that thread. I had some questions regarding correctness, and some kind soul told me that I would have to read the whole thread in order to find out. That was one of many excellent experiences I’ve had in there. If I ever do build a MK18, I’m going to do it wrong and post a bunch of pics in there just out of spite. |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 5:42:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Not sure how to link you tube videos but I came across a hrt video. Most of it is older footage and old gear but at the very end I think I see a couple G rails. Video name of you want to search it FBI Hostage Rescue Team | FBI HRT It’s about 30 minutes long. There’s a small YT symbol between the picture icon and the Twitter bird at the top of the edit window. Here you go:  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 6:58:48 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: There’s a small YT symbol between the picture icon and the Twitter bird at the top of the edit window. Here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VyTpU378R0Thanks |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 8:14:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: If I ever do build a MK18, I’m going to do it wrong and post a bunch of pics in there just out of spite. I always wanted to post pics in that thread of my Mk18 FSP sitting on my Tapco lower but chickened out since that lower wasn't SBR’d. And when the PSA M4A1 was being developed some guys in that thread were acting as if their commercial Colt M4 lowers were somehow more ‘clone correct’ than one from PSA. Ridiculous.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2020 10:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: I always wanted to post pics in that thread of my Mk18 FSP sitting on my Tapco lower but chickened out since that lower wasn't SBR’d. And when the PSA M4A1 was being developed some guys in that thread were acting as if their commercial Colt M4 lowers were somehow more ‘clone correct’ than one from PSA. Ridiculous. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/123535/DAC9EB82-9FD8-4281-A676-3E566D915DBD_jpe-1697270.JPG Is that a 300 blkout |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 1:03:55 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Is that a 300 blkout Yeah, a Wilson Combat 11.3” barrel w/ Dead Air Nomad. |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 11:06:38 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: There’s a small YT symbol between the picture icon and the Twitter bird at the top of the edit window. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VyTpU378R0Thanks Looks like a lot of the older footage in that video compilation came from Joan Lunden's old show, Behind Closed Doors: FBI HRT, which originally aired April 13, 2001. An interesting overview of the team, even if dated and a little dramatized. It shows MP5s as their primary weapons, which I'm guessing were 10mm based on the straight stick magazines:  Joan Lunden Behind Closed Doors: FBI Hostage Rescue |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 1:12:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Yeah, a Wilson Combat 11.3” barrel w/ Dead Air Nomad. Exactly what I have but I got mine coated black and using the sico chimera can |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 7:41:45 PM EDT
[#20]
I’ve had a colt 11.5 barrel burning a hole in my pocket for about six months. Beside the EE, is Geissele going to be producing any MK4 Federals in Black anytime soon?
Thanks, Jim |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 8:33:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garthe: I’ve had a colt 11.5 barrel burning a hole in my pocket for about six months. Beside the EE, is Geissele going to be producing any MK4 Federals in Black anytime soon? Thanks, Jim I'm for an answer if anyone actually knows. My smart a@$ answer would be they will be back in stock when hell freezes over. I'm so sick of waiting on G. 
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Posted: 11/23/2020 8:57:55 PM EDT
[#22]
I just put a WTB ad in the EE. I’m going to go buy lottery tickets...I’m feeling lucky...lol.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 9:42:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mdavis]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: I'm for an answer if anyone actually knows. My smart a@$ answer would be they will be back in stock when hell freezes over. I'm so sick of waiting on G. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: Originally Posted By Garthe: I’ve had a colt 11.5 barrel burning a hole in my pocket for about six months. Beside the EE, is Geissele going to be producing any MK4 Federals in Black anytime soon? Thanks, Jim I'm for an answer if anyone actually knows. My smart a@$ answer would be they will be back in stock when hell freezes over. I'm so sick of waiting on G. I just sold one in the EE about a month ago. Gen 1 black. So they are out there. |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 9:44:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JLAudio]
[#24]
I might have a spare green gen 1 rail kit, new in box. I can't remember If I sold the last one I had in January, I had 3. I should know in the next week, in the process of moving all of my spare gun parts out of the storage unit from a recent move.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 11:10:01 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mdavis: I just sold one in the EE about a month ago. Gen 1 black. So they are out there. I'm so sick of waiting on G. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 10:21:25 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ed_Victory: I've been told we should start seeing Reptilia's CQG grip in OD green sometime soon. I'll probably go with that. |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 9:44:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ed_Victory]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HappyCamel: @Ed_victory were you alluding to them being issued, or just a non-clone grip you liked? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By Ed_Victory: I've been told we should start seeing Reptilia's CQG grip in OD green sometime soon. I'll probably go with that. Non-clone preference, my clone jumped the shark some time ago. Reptilia’s initial test batch of ODG CQGs were a bit too dark, not sure if they’ve shelved the idea or are just behind like everyone else. I’ve since swapped the CQG for a B5 Type 23, also non-clone. Not sure which I prefer but they’re both solid grips. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 12:07:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hidesite]
[#28]
Been playing with buffer weight and springs on my [G tan rail/Colt heavy 11.5 barrel/G std gas block] rifle with a Surefire suppressor. Rifle has a couple thousand rounds out of it. It is normally run with H3 and Colt spring. (After seeing RA556B cause malfunctions in 14.5" duty guns when suppressed with H buffers, I like heavier buffers, especially on shorter guns.)
Firing various 5.56 duty loads: H buffer + Colt spring = 1 o'clock H2 buffer + Colt spring, H3 buffer + Colt spring, & H2 buffer + Springco red spring, A5H2 + Colt rifle spring = 2 o'clock. H3 buffer + Springco red spring = 3 o'clock. Everything locked back on empty mag. I was surprised how many configurations gave the exact same ejection pattern. Once I get some -20 nights in January I'll play with this again to make sure I get lock back on empty. It's my work gun and I only run suppressed, so I don't really care what it does without the can or with shitty ammo. To cut the gas on these I really think you need a restricted gas block. Running suppressed on one of these with the standard M4 lower configuration (H + std spring) seems like it will really beat the gun up. |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 1:31:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: I finally have an appropriate optic coming for this build. Ended up getting an Aimpoint H2. Now I need a mount and that’s where I’m stuck. The build still isn’t 100% correct since it has a SOPMOD stock and HRT profile barrel. So should I go with the Spuhr HRT mount or Daniel Defense mount? Other non clone options would be either a Geissele or Larue. https://i.imgur.com/TPCWOO3.jpg Looks great 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 12:06:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/1/2020 11:32:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistorySo nice |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 2:32:11 AM EDT
[#32]
So clone-ish build, I have two this is the same one. This is my work rifle
 
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Posted: 12/2/2020 4:18:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bhavin22]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By karmapolice: So clone-ish build, I have two this is the same one. This is my work rifle https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50671033341_297817fac8_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50670292378_fb6c773254_b.jpg Nice. What color is that rail? Looks DDC |
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Posted: 12/2/2020 4:38:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: Nice. What color is that rail? Looks DDC Thanks! It is DDC, I have another one with a black one I painted. It has the NX8 on it right now but did have a T1 which I traded for the EXPS3 that is now on my work rifle lol. 
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Posted: 12/3/2020 1:58:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSGJAYP_B4: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1891/IMG_8388_png-1708237.JPG Anyway I can get a close up of the buis and the exact model numbers? Thanks |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:16:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: YukonBoy03]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeanGun: Anyway I can get a close up of the buis and the exact model numbers? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeanGun: Originally Posted By SSGJAYP_B4: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1891/IMG_8388_png-1708237.JPG Anyway I can get a close up of the buis and the exact model numbers? Thanks those are just Troy's - it's the M4 front. |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:50:00 AM EDT
[#37]
This thread needs more green buffer tubes
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Posted: 12/3/2020 12:30:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hidesite]
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Posted: 12/3/2020 12:53:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryThose are both very nice, very good clone of a field office team rifle. |
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Posted: 12/3/2020 7:51:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Thank you, guys. Just wanted to make sure I ask santa for the right sights. Trying to make the upper as correct as possible and the sights were the last piece
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Posted: 12/3/2020 9:44:22 PM EDT
[#41]
Are there any kosher alternatives to the green geissele gov CH people have seen in use? I see lots of builds here with black geisseles and PRI M84s.
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Posted: 12/4/2020 4:44:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By far_north_311: Are there any kosher alternatives to the green geissele gov CH people have seen in use? I see lots of builds here with black geisseles and PRI M84s. I would guess stock colt CH is as issue |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 9:28:25 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By far_north_311: Are there any kosher alternatives to the green geissele gov CH people have seen in use? I see lots of builds here with black geisseles and PRI M84s. Has the green Geissele actually been seen in use yet? I’m using a black ACH on mine. |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 10:21:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By far_north_311: Are there any kosher alternatives to the green geissele gov CH people have seen in use? I see lots of builds here with black geisseles and PRI M84s. Originally Posted By HD2006: Has the green Geissele actually been seen in use yet? Yeah, I've never seen any evidence or heard it mentioned here that green charging handles are in use on real FBI rifles. Every parts breakdown I've seen here refers to standard GI (Colt) CHs in actual use. I believe people were diverging a little from the clone standards, in the same way that some people are using green anodized Colt buffer tubes, because they look good with the green handguard. I think it was probably inspired by Geissele selling matching charging handles with the Mk16 USASOC handguards two years ago. |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:59:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: karmapolice]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Yeah, I've never seen any evidence or heard it mentioned here that green charging handles are in use on real FBI rifles. Every parts breakdown I've seen here refers to standard GI (Colt) CHs in actual use. I believe people were diverging a little from the clone standards, in the same way that some people are using green anodized Colt buffer tubes, because they look good with the green handguard. I think it was probably inspired by Geissele selling matching charging handles with the Mk16 USASOC handguards two years ago. Geissele government charging handles in black are in actual use. They might have no filtered to all regional teams but I know they are on some enhanced teams rifles. |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 9:15:01 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By karmapolice: Geissele government charging handles in black are in actual use. They might have no filtered to all regional teams but I know they are on some enhanced teams rifles. Thanks, that's great info. Maybe @ARogueNinja can add charging handles (Colt or black Geissele Government) to the specs in original post. It's been so long since I looked at the Geissele website, I'd forgotten that their Government Charging Handle product listing says "This is the same charging handle used to fulfill contracts for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)." Out of stock, unfortunately, like many of their products these days with the crazy demand. |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 4:41:49 PM EDT
[#47]
love that color bro
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Posted: 12/5/2020 5:08:23 PM EDT
[#48]
Swapped the CompM3 for an H2. I was originally going to use a Geissele lower 1/3 mount but that mount is more absolute then lower 1/3. Ended up using a Larue LT660 which put it at the exact height that I prefer.
  
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Posted: 12/5/2020 9:39:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HKocher]
[#49]
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Posted: 12/5/2020 11:02:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Thanks, that's great info. Maybe @ARogueNinja can add charging handles (Colt or black Geissele Government) to the specs in original post. It's been so long since I looked at the Geissele website, I'd forgotten that their Government Charging Handle product listing says "This is the same charging handle used to fulfill contracts for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)." Out of stock, unfortunately, like many of their products these days with the crazy demand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Originally Posted By karmapolice: Geissele government charging handles in black are in actual use. They might have no filtered to all regional teams but I know they are on some enhanced teams rifles. Thanks, that's great info. Maybe @ARogueNinja can add charging handles (Colt or black Geissele Government) to the specs in original post. It's been so long since I looked at the Geissele website, I'd forgotten that their Government Charging Handle product listing says "This is the same charging handle used to fulfill contracts for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)." Out of stock, unfortunately, like many of their products these days with the crazy demand. Not everyone has them but they are slowly spreading out. |
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