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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:49:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARogueNinja]
This thread will be dedicated to builds and discussions of the FBI clones and thanks to Geissele for listening to the masses and releasing the much coveted rail. Parts lists will be updated as we go. Please keep it on topic and post pictures of your builds and "in the wild" photos.
     Barrel: Colt 11.5" barrels & others since there was already a mix of stuff out there between the different offices, prior to the upgrade starting. Lower: Colt/ some older DOJ contract RRA lowers, among others. Grip: ERGO/ Hogue/ A2 Upper: Most of the uppers appear to be Colt marked. Rail: Troy and Geissele, seems like the main colors for the MK4 rail are Black and OD, unsure of the others. Flash hider: A2 flashhiders/ Surefire/ KAC NT4 Optics: Aimpoint H1/T1s & H2/T2s are approved, along with the Daniel Defense mounts. The Sig Romeo4 red dot was also approved and is being used by some other federal agencies too. Spuhr mounts for Aimpoints for HRT guns. EOTech EXPS 3 & G33 Magnifier Sights: Troy BUIS/ Magpul MBUS Laser: L3 AN/ PEQ 15 Stock: CTRs Sling: VTAC 2 points/ Magpul MS Light: WMLs/ Surefire Scout More info here: Industry Thread Originally Posted By mbpike: Originally Posted By GS5414: Alright homies. I'm going to drop some knowledge, and then ghost. Folks generally got a handle on the right parts. Right now, the FBI has stopped throwing out their T2s/Spuhr mounts because folks are starting to regret replacing them with the ROMEO RDS. Things aren't holding up to abuse and long life. Who knew. You'll see the Aimpoint make a comeback. Also, nobody in this thread has the right gas block. Geissele gas blocks are used on the FBI guns, but they are port restricted gas blocks, as in the ports aren't drilled all the way out. We used them in the USMC for some of the souped up M4s, at both 0.072" restricted for 14.5" guns (a bit too small), and 0.068" restricted for 10.3" guns. The FBI uses 0.067" restricted blocks. I think I have one of them stashed away that I never managed to use - might take a photo of it if I can find it. They do a good job keeping gas port erosion from affecting function of the guns as the barrels burn out. Keeps carrier speeds lower, recoil is a bit softer. They are not sold commercially, or even talked about for that matter. If you want the same function, take a G block and thread it for a BRT Micro Tune 0.067" port insert. I'm out. S/F Lets get this added to the OP. Originally Posted By elucidate: Not a clone. Large regional SWAT. Skinny commando barrel. Originally Posted By elucidate: Indeed. When I said 'not a clone' by that I meant it's a picture of a real upper, sat on a desk in a large regional FBI training facility, not something I made at home. Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Originally Posted By AZgunner: I haven't decided if I'm doing the clone correct green rail, or if I'll do the same setup but in all black. It depends on where I'm at in a few months. If I need to give my current rifle back and use the FBI clone on duty, I need to do it in black, as only all black color schemes are currently authorized. A black rifle can be completely clone correct, it would just represent a regular agent's rifle, not HRT or Regional SWAT. This thread started as a result of the interest in the green Geissele Mk4 handguards that showed up on Regional SWAT rifles, but all four Geissele colors are in use by the FBI. People are just (understandably) a bit fixated on the green ones because they look great. That's led to what a lot of people are doing, which is combining the features of the HRT and SWAT rifles into a mixed clone (SWAT green handguard and CTR stock, HRT heavy barrel, and Spuhr HRT Aimpoint mount). I think it would be great if @ARogueNinja could update the original post to reflect the four FBI variants that are out there (these details are incomplete and could be a little off): HRT: DDC Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt HRT heavy barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Spuhr mount (not sure about the stock), black or FDE(?) CTR or Colt stock Regional SWAT: OD Green Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount, OD green CTR or Colt stock Vehicle Teams: Grey Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Sig Romeo, FAB Defense PTK AFG, Maxim Defense collapsible stock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1182/green___grey_M4_carbines_jpg-1584398.JPG Field Agent: Black Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount or Sig Romeo, black CTR or Colt stock I think this is a grey Mk4 issued to hrt4me but is (I believe) representative of the standard agent rifle configuration. I don't recall seeing any photos in this thread of a regular agent's carbine: https://i.imgur.com/A6UVttH.jpg |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 5:32:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Lol I did read that. It’s probably better to hear from Joe Shmoe at this point lol
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Posted: 8/11/2019 6:30:23 PM EDT
[#2]
In case anybody is curious about the current Colt BCGs from Shark the following are some pictures from the one I purchased at the end of July.
 Attached File Attached FileThis is how it was shipped to me. It is covered in dry film lube ? The outside of the package was covered in it also. I think the BGC wore a small hole in the packaging and USPS taped over it during transit.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileIt does have a very light "C" stamp on it. Also the bolt has a very light "MPC" mark on it . |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 6:49:26 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT:
In case anybody is curious about the current Colt BCGs from Shark the following are some pictures from the one I purchased at the end of July. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/sAhJ24iuSsusuarmgysd5A_jpg-1050872.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/SMumV4yUTiy4TAAKi_o7Vw_jpg-1050873.JPG This is how it was shipped to me. It is covered in dry film lube ? The outside of the package was covered in it also. I think the BGC wore a small hole in the packaging and USPS taped over it during transit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/XM1JQTFhRRe_WlYjjKSexg_jpg-1050867.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/fPmlt0HYSC_GUul2RdS6bg_jpg-1050879.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/v1COB8BJSXKhKDpG7xAznw_jpg-1050882.JPG It does have a very light "C" stamp on it. Also the bolt has a very light "MPC" mark on it . Is that charcoal? |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 8:09:19 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
WTF? Is that charcoal?  Attached FileI guess I’ll clean it up and see if it comes off?  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 8:13:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT:
Lol, it’s weird... I can pick it up and nothing will come off on my hands. Look at my picture above and you will see that I scraped the coating off with my fingernail to expose the “C” on the BCG. The bolt itself does not have the coating on it.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/0C334539-D9E8-4F1A-A6F1-6DAD18C17E4E_jpeg-1051040.JPG I guess I’ll clean it up and see if it comes off?https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/image_jpg-1051047.JPG I know his page says he gets them 10/bag. Maybe something to do with it. Edit: see it now MPC, looked MPF at first look. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 8:42:25 PM EDT
[#6]
 Attached File Attached FileYeah the markings are very light. I just shot some gun scrubber and Hoppes #9 on it. Some of it came off. It’s odd that the rag I used didn’t show any black residue after I cleaned it. Maybe they are seconds?  Attached FileThis is the shipping envelope it came in. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 8:47:55 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/321F72BF-EA1F-49B6-A728-4CA4CC953851_jpeg-1051096.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/0D2BF558-8C65-4E61-B52E-85A291AD43D4_jpeg-1051098.JPG Yeah the markings are very light. I just shot some gun scrubber and Hoppes #9 on it. Some of it came off. It’s odd that the rag I used didn’t show any black residue after I cleaned it. Maybe they are seconds? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/366627/image_jpg-1051106.JPG This is the shipping envelope it came in. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 9:07:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Doubt they are seconds. Actually damn lucky to score them with markings, TBH. I'm sure there is an explanation as to what the black shit is, I just have zero clue. |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 9:13:44 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT:
Yeah, very happy to get one that has markings. Also I’m not trying to bash SAC or seem upset. Just sharing pictures for everyone. I have no doubt that the barrel and BGC will run faultlessly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Doubt they are seconds. Actually damn lucky to score them with markings, TBH. I'm sure there is an explanation as to what the black shit is, I just have zero clue. Damn nice looking bcg. |
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Posted: 8/12/2019 12:48:10 AM EDT
[#10]
that black residue is odd, mine didn't have anything like it. But at least the BCG looks good to go. My C and MPC were very faint as well
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Posted: 8/12/2019 5:22:36 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Doubt they are seconds. Actually damn lucky to score them with markings, TBH. I'm sure there is an explanation as to what the black shit is, I just have zero clue. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2019 7:34:19 AM EDT
[#12]
What Colt lower Is most clone correct?
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Posted: 8/13/2019 1:15:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Well, I got impatient waiting on AU to report on the gas port size, so I tore open my niw barrel to measure the port size. Now, I’m not some fancy Joe Schmo or anything... but my findings were similar to other posters. My virgin contract barrel roughly measured .069. The AU contract barrel was roughly .074~.073. I used a super precise toothpick to force into the gas port. By pressing the toothpick into the gas port, it compressed the wood together. Once I could move the toothpick in and out semi easily, I measured with a digital caliper.
Let me put it this way, what fit in the AU contract gas port didn’t fit in my other contract barrel gas port. |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 1:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RandyLahey01:
Well, I got impatient waiting on AU to report on the gas port size, so I tore open my niw barrel to measure the port size. Now, I’m not some fancy Joe Schmo or anything... but my findings were similar to other posters. My virgin contract barrel roughly measured .069. The AU contract barrel was roughly .074~.073. I used a super precise toothpick to force into the gas port. By pressing the toothpick into the gas port, it compressed the wood together. Once I could move the toothpick in and out semi easily, I measured with a digital caliper. Let me put it this way, what fit in the AU contract gas port didn’t fit in my other contract barrel gas port. But I'm not. Way to go Joe....Shmoe. 
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Posted: 8/13/2019 5:26:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BROK3N-AR]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By supermanct:
What Colt lower Is most clone correct? 
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Posted: 8/13/2019 6:04:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR: I’d also like to know this. I ended up going with a restricted marked lower. I’m sticking with this one but wonder what the TRUE correct markings are. Full auto, but read some not because of the ssa trigger https://i.imgur.com/SPf63cL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/j2ZLnLm.jpg |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2019 8:10:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556:
I think the ones with SSAs in them are still select fire guns. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:08:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: packinkimber45]
[#18]
Got my build parts acquisition started!
ODG rail received. Now waiting on hrt barrel and bcg from shark arms to ship. Upper’s going to be sweet! |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:49:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By packinkimber45:
Got my build parts acquisition started! ODG rail received. Now waiting on hrt barrel and bcg from shark arms to ship. Upper’s going to be sweet! I just filed my form 1 2 days ago. As soon as it comes back, I can assemble |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2019 3:22:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Charging handle ?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2019 4:36:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By supermanct:
Charging handle ? |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 4:43:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By packinkimber45:
Got my build parts acquisition started! ODG rail received. Now waiting on hrt barrel and bcg from shark arms to ship. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:07:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
No offense, but I still see a lot of people going with the not-clone-correct ODG handguard and heavy HRT barrel combination. Do most folks prefer the heavier barrel, is it because it says “FBI” in the barrel name, or is it just that those barrels are readily available right now and the ODG looks good? Just curious. It seems like everyone is interested in getting other parts “clone correct” but not concerned about the barrel / handguard combination. (No idea what others are doing/why.) |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 5:18:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
No offense, but I still see a lot of people going with the not-clone-correct ODG handguard and heavy HRT barrel combination. Do most folks prefer the heavier barrel, is it because it says “FBI” in the barrel name, or is it just that those barrels are readily available right now and the ODG looks good? Just curious. It seems like everyone is interested in getting other parts “clone correct” but not concerned about the barrel / handguard combination. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
Originally Posted By packinkimber45:
Got my build parts acquisition started! ODG rail received. Now waiting on hrt barrel and bcg from shark arms to ship. My barrel is incorrect also, so I’m not throwing stones. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 7:59:30 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
No offense, but I still see a lot of people going with the not-clone-correct ODG handguard and heavy HRT barrel combination. Do most folks prefer the heavier barrel, is it because it says “FBI” in the barrel name, or is it just that those barrels are readily available right now and the ODG looks good? Just curious. It seems like everyone is interested in getting other parts “clone correct” but not concerned about the barrel / handguard combination. It feels like a 14.5 socom barrel but shorter. Green anodized is just awesome looking. These are not clones though. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:24:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: packinkimber45]
[#26]
Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
No offense, but I still see a lot of people going with the not-clone-correct ODG handguard and heavy HRT barrel combination. Do most folks prefer the heavier barrel, is it because it says “FBI” in the barrel name, or is it just that those barrels are readily available right now and the ODG looks good? Just curious. It seems like everyone is interested in getting other parts “clone correct” but not concerned about the barrel / handguard combination. And yes the green anodized rail is just awesome. Originally Posted By BROK3N-AR: Congrats. This one is a fun one for sure. Expensive for me but worth it. I just filed my form 1 2 days ago. As soon as it comes back, I can assemble |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 10:52:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kells81]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR:
Congrats. This one is a fun one for sure. Expensive for me but worth it. I just filed my form 1 2 days ago. As soon as it comes back, I can assemble Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR:
Originally Posted By packinkimber45:
Got my build parts acquisition started! ODG rail received. Now waiting on hrt barrel and bcg from shark arms to ship. Upper’s going to be sweet! I just filed my form 1 2 days ago. As soon as it comes back, I can assemble |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:17:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By packinkimber45: Right on, how long are form 1's taking these days? My form 1 was years ago. Ever since, it's been form 4's that I've been filing. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:24:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Wow thats quick! Ive been out of the loop with nfa lately, thats great time frames.
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:35:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
[#30]
My clone isn’t really a clone at all. I just liked the Mk4 rail and last Black Friday when the OD came available I jumped. I don’t think anything besides the rail on my gun is clone-worthy. But I don’t care. It’s my favorite SBR.
As far as E-file Form 1s, I had a couple in June that were like 10 days and my most recent a couple weeks ago was just over 2 weeks. I’d bet there’s been a significant increase in E-Form 1s with the recent talk of pistol braces being reclassified. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 11:40:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By supermanct:
What Colt lower Is most clone correct? |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 12:50:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By packinkimber45:
Wow thats quick! Ive been out of the loop with nfa lately, thats great time frames. With this clone, from the start I tried to stay correct other then the barrel, but then every single new picture that pops up in the wild has a different setup. As far as I know right now, the things I did wrong was the odg grip instead of black, no afg because they are ugly as hell, and did the odg USASOC ch. And the obvious, my lower is just a restricted colt. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2019 3:45:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Got this is the mail today. Went with USA optics because they offered free shipping over Milehigh
Now I just need to find a good deal on a T2 and I’m done. Thank god 
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Posted: 8/19/2019 6:20:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR:
Got this is the mail today. Went with USA optics because they offered free shipping over Milehigh Now I just need to find a good deal on a T2 and I’m done. Thank god https://i.imgur.com/Gi7gvVX.jpg |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2019 8:49:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT: Does it have HRT engraved on it? Here is the link to it. Hrt Spuhr Mount |
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Posted: 8/19/2019 9:36:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote History Thanks ! I just spoke to their CS. I ordered one. They have one more left.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2019 9:53:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT: Thanks ! I just spoke to their CS. I ordered one. They have one more left. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:33:38 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR: Glad I could help. I was worried I would just get the normal one without the HRT on it but it is all good |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 12:25:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Hey, if anyone is interested there a thread on Pistol-Forum stating Lipseys will be selling the G17M.
So if you want THE FBI pistol to go with your FBI clone gun, you may be in luck. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 1:09:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
$10 more a letter Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
Originally Posted By BROK3N-AR: Glad I could help. I was worried I would just get the normal one without the HRT on it but it is all good |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2019 6:25:15 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Hey, if anyone is interested there a thread on Pistol-Forum stating Lipseys will be selling the G17M. So if you want THE FBI pistol to go with your FBI clone gun, you may be in luck. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 6:47:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BROK3N-AR: What’s so different about the M compared to my gen5? Looks the same other then the letter |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:09:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Hey, if anyone is interested there a thread on Pistol-Forum stating Lipseys will be selling the G17M. So if you want THE FBI pistol to go with your FBI clone gun, you may be in luck. |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:20:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bwhited: Link? |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:35:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Anyone know where I can get this OD Green rail?
Thanks |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 8:36:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?38080-New-G17M-Being-Sold-By-Lipseys |
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Posted: 8/20/2019 9:08:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: One listed on GB right now for $1200 current bid. That's crazy. |
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Posted: 8/27/2019 7:20:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: oldbrowndog]
[#48]
Not a clone, but working on finishing it up. LMT MARS-L lower, Colt upper, HRT barrel with dimpling done by Marvin Pitts, CT Warcomp, Geissele ODG ACH, LMT E-BCG, and LMT 2-stage trigger, G Super 42 spring and H1 buffer.
Need to drop a Form 1, get some KAC BUIS and decide on an optic - leaning EOTech EXPS 3-0, but also thinking about a T2 or Comp M5 on a high-rise type mount. 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2019 12:12:27 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oldbrowndog:
Not a clone, but working on finishing it up. LMT MARS-L lower, Colt upper, HRT barrel with dimpling done by Marvin Pitts, CT Warcomp, Geissele ODG ACH, LMT E-BCG, and LMT 2-stage trigger, G Super 42 spring and H1 buffer. Need to drop a Form 1, get some KAC BUIS and decide on an optic - leaning EOTech EXPS 3-0, but also thinking about a T2 or Comp M5 on a high-rise type mount. https://i.imgur.com/UcJzEWG.jpg |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 12:17:45 AM EDT
[#50]
Well I screwed up. I thought I was completely done. Only thing I’m waiting on is my upper and lower I sent out to @elucidate for engraving and to be re anodized... well today I decided to look into my lower a little more only to find out it was made before 2009 and it’s a restricted lower. So that means it has the large pin holes. I bought a standard pin SSA trigger. So there goes another 300 bucks for a new one unless someone just so happens to be sitting on one
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