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Archived [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Do you still have VFG on your AR? (Page 1 of 4)
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Posted: 9/20/2018 1:06:17 PM EDT
Are you still using VFG on your AR?
I'm seeing more and more AFG in place of VFG.
What about you?

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 1:42:33 PM EDT
[#1]
I've only really ever liked vertical grips on really short guns. I don't use them on most of my ARs.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 1:47:54 PM EDT
[#2]
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I've only really ever liked vertical grips on really short guns. I don't use them on most of my ARs.
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Just the one, because I like my fingers, and the charging handles reciprocate...

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Link Posted: 9/20/2018 1:54:04 PM EDT
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Just the one, because I like my fingers, and the charging handles reciprocate...

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nice little toy

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 1:58:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Only on one of my rifles:


Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:05:35 PM EDT
[#5]
Ish, I have one on my primary rifle but i use it more as a handstop.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:07:24 PM EDT
[#6]
Only when doing suppressed mag dumps
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:11:09 PM EDT
[#7]
Yep.  Used as a handstop.

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Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:13:34 PM EDT
[#8]


my only AR at the moment

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:16:40 PM EDT
[#9]
My 1st AR had one.  I took it off, I prefer the C Clamp method or whatever its called.

When I hold a VFG, I feel like I'm gearing up to do a bunch of spray and pray. JMHO...
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:18:39 PM EDT
[#10]
No.

I tried several, including AFGs. They just seem to get in the way when I walk around with the rifle hanging off the sling.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:44:04 PM EDT
[#11]
Nope CA tells me AFG is better than a VFG.
Still rather have a VFG. AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:46:38 PM EDT
[#12]
No, not really anymore...as a matter of fact most of my gear is going back to basics.  No FF handguards, A2 grips and FH.  I do not operate operationally so its just fluff to me.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:47:48 PM EDT
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Yep.  Used as a handstop.

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Yep.  Used as a handstop.

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Same here.



This is exactly how l use mine;

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Yeah, I have a VFG on this old-style build. I don't actually grip the entire VFG but treat it similar to a AFG.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1839/42970283135_fe40dfd1cd_c.jpg

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 2:51:11 PM EDT
[#14]
I have VFGs on my clone builds. I have gotten to where I like the AFGs and handstops more these days.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:06:05 PM EDT
[#15]
On my sbr I have a cut down magpul one that I use as a hand stop.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:06:22 PM EDT
[#16]
I never liked the feel of the AFG.
I don't wrap my hand around a VFG, just wedge my hand in at the top between it and the hand guard.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:19:04 PM EDT
[#17]
No.  Initially I loved my VFG, but as my grip worked further and further forward towards the muzzle, it felt redundant and became just extra weight that I didn't need.  I ended up removing it from all of my guns except for the shorter pistol length carbines.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:26:01 PM EDT
[#18]
Tried a VFG out years ago, and it didn't take long for it to end up in the parts box. I strongly dislike any sort of other-than-horizontal forward grip.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:31:25 PM EDT
[#19]
sure

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:41:08 PM EDT
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Just the one, because I like my fingers, and the charging handles reciprocate...

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That thing is cool!!!!! Takes STEN mags, even better.
I have a MAC that uses STEN mags, that little thing would be perfect for me. I want it.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:46:22 PM EDT
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That thing is cool!!!!! Takes STEN mags, even better.
I have a MAC that uses STEN mags, that little thing would be perfect for me. I want it.
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GreaseGun mags actually.
It's a .45

I've been tempted to build a UMP magwell for the LRBHO, and ability to change calibers (9, 45, 40, 10mm) in the same magwell.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 3:48:32 PM EDT
[#22]
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Are you still using VFG on your AR?
I'm seeing more and more AFG in place of VFG.
What about you?
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Neither.  None.

Just a very small hand stop to position my hand to access a weapon light tape switch in the dark.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 4:43:12 PM EDT
[#23]
Ihave one but I can't install it until my Operator Status Test results gets back.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 4:51:10 PM EDT
[#24]
I don't like the AFG, but I prefer a stubby VFG like an AFG.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 4:54:44 PM EDT
[#25]
Yes, on both of my short barrel rifles.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 4:56:55 PM EDT
[#26]
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I never liked the feel of the AFG.
I don't wrap my hand around a VFG, just wedge my hand in at the top between it and the hand guard.
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Same here.  Angled feels weird and my wrist is so f'd up I can't comfortably hold without it

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 5:31:19 PM EDT
[#27]
some i do, some i don't.  /shrug

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 5:35:04 PM EDT
[#28]
2, clone specific

M4 block 1
A4

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 5:41:00 PM EDT
[#29]
They're both mostly dumb. But the VFG can hold batteries, act as a hand stop, be convenient to hook on gear on long humps, and it's easier to hold onto when the weapon heats up. You can also monopod off it sometimes.

I have one on a couple rifles.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 5:43:10 PM EDT
[#30]
The Stealth upper that I won from Larue included a VFG. I hated using it and gave it to a member here.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 5:59:22 PM EDT
[#31]
Only one.  The XM177 clone.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:06:38 PM EDT
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Nope CA tells me AFG is better than a VFG.
Still rather have a VFG. AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle.
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Well, NY tells us that they're all evil!

Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t.

I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities):

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Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:09:50 PM EDT
[#33]
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GreaseGun mags actually.
It's a .45

I've been tempted to build a UMP magwell for the LRBHO, and ability to change calibers (9, 45, 40, 10mm) in the same magwell.
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That thing is cool!!!!! Takes STEN mags, even better.
I have a MAC that uses STEN mags, that little thing would be perfect for me. I want it.
GreaseGun mags actually.
It's a .45

I've been tempted to build a UMP magwell for the LRBHO, and ability to change calibers (9, 45, 40, 10mm) in the same magwell.
I see, STEN mags look almost identical. I would need a new collection of mags and ammo but I still want it. Very neat little gun!

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:15:02 PM EDT
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Nope CA tells me AFG is better than a VFG.
Still rather have a VFG. AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle.
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Dude chill. The VFG makes it too "assaulty". We can't have that in our great state.

Your 5.56mm projectile at 3100fps is cool, but that VFG...

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:24:58 PM EDT
[#35]
Never liked verts. I liked angled but as handcuffs got thinner, the designs aren't that comfortable.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:28:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Never cared for or used them in the past. After breaking both wrists in an accident I now find a short VFG helps a lot.  That being said,  I only have one on my carbine.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:47:03 PM EDT
[#37]
vfg Are superior to afg for most combat related applications. They are more versatile and allow for a greater degree of mobility. Square up and bring the rifle to the center of the chest and you have cqb/building clearing. Extend the stock and blade out a bit and use it as a hand stop for longer engagements. Hook it on your gear for longer humps. Battery storage options or options that allow you to build your light/peq switches into them.

Afg really shine for competition shooting/comfortable range shooting.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:53:25 PM EDT
[#38]
Hell yes.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:54:30 PM EDT
[#39]
I use the VFG for short guns and AFG for my 14.5s

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 6:54:59 PM EDT
[#40]
I only have the aeroknox 2 finger grip on my 16" AR at the moment

I'm going shooting this weekend and was thinking about getting one of those shorty BCM VFG's. thoughts?

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 7:00:32 PM EDT
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vfg Are superior to afg for most combat related applications. They are more versatile and allow for a greater degree of mobility. Square up and bring the rifle to the center of the chest and you have cqb/building clearing. Extend the stock and blade out a bit and use it as a hand stop for longer engagements. Hook it on your gear for longer humps. Battery storage options or options that allow you to build your light/peq switches into them.

Afg really shine for competition shooting/comfortable range shooting.
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I think it’s a matter of personal preference and not one is superior over the other.  I do all you say with in AFG and run the rifle faster then with a VFG.

How do AFG shine in comp shooting that don’t merit tactical / combat use ?

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 7:05:03 PM EDT
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Nope CA tells me AFG is better than a VFG.
Still rather have a VFG. AFGs like Magpuls put my hand at a weird angle.
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i know right? vertical grips are easy

you just make a fist with your hand and hold it out in front of you

angled grips are weird, i don't do anything with my hand tilted forward

that's like holding your fist out in front of you and then letting it go limp

that's weak and weird

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 7:17:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Yep, only on my 16" "tac" upper and only for general shooting sessions. When I need to bang steel at distances over 300yds., then the bi-pod gets deployed. 10RING

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 7:24:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Only on my clone uppers..

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 7:42:23 PM EDT
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I think it’s a matter of personal preference and not one is superior over the other.  I do all you say with in AFG and run the rifle faster then with a VFG.

How do AFG shine in comp shooting that don’t merit tactical / combat use ?
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It comes down to understanding body mechanics. For example, c-clamping it a terrible way to clear a building. Mobility restrictions become more and more pronounced as you begin to add gear to the equation. Even without gear you can test this. Square up to the target (feet included). A right handed shooter with c clamp is going to have loads of movement to th left, and very restricted movement to the right unless you shift your feet. Move hand back and underneath gripping the vfg as intended and you will find much better mobility. Inside a building this increased mobility becomes more important as all the extra gear carried takes up operating space. Compound that with working with others and you quickly find out that the tighter you are the more mobile you are and the more effective you are inside that building. (Side note-I treat c-clamp and afg the same so use them interchangeably. I’m on my phone and don’t feel like retyping all this to separate the two)

Once outside the building extend the stock, punch your hand out, blade your body slightly for a better platform, and you can use the vfg as an afg.

The higher versatility of the vfg is what makes it supperior.

An important note-the tactics described are heavily geared toward combat style use and cqb. for basic self defense ymmv and you need to use what you can use comfortably and effectively.

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 8:13:14 PM EDT
[#46]


Yes...Yes I do.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 8:29:32 PM EDT
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Yep.

Looks ridiculous. But, I cut it down, since I use it as if it's an AFG. I like it much more than any AFG that I've tried. I have the same one ( Blackhawk! ) on several rifles.

Eta: sorry for the tater pic. I really need to get some proper family photos.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 9:46:23 PM EDT
[#48]
VFG, handstop or bare handguard for me. Really not a fan of AFGs

Link Posted: 9/20/2018 9:54:51 PM EDT
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Well, NY tells us that they're all evil!

Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t.

I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities):

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That made me sad.
Link Posted: 9/20/2018 10:03:27 PM EDT
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Well, NY tells us that they're all evil!

Of course, they tell us a lot of crazy bulls**t.

I do have an index tab (couldn't possibly grip it) from a handstop kit to keep my hand where it needs to be to use my weapon light (warning: may offend some posters' fragile sensibilities):

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The one on the left... I like it.

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