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Posted: 6/10/2018 12:23:24 PM EDT
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Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones, I believe. There is no hard data listed for every piece of equipment on these rifles. Only ITW photo's and some small lists of procurement from NSW. I have outlined the parts used most commonly but there are plenty of versions that are not covered in this list. The ITW one off photos of an already one off setup can be cloned using the parts visible in the photo!
There are 5 major types of these clones. All are built on Colt receivers except the 416 variant. Details are below NSWDG RECCE RIFLE: Optic: 2.5-10x24 Nightforce Rings: Nightforce A110 Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint, T1, or Insight MRDS. All using the respective mounts for each either using Wilcox NF ring cap. NF/Wilcox RULR cap, or 30mm tube mounts. Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length Barrel: Mystery Manufacturer. is 15.1" in length and uses the Ops Inc brake and collar Suppressor: Ops 12th Model(AEM5 kosher too) Bipod's: Atlas BT10 or Harris 6-9 Pistol Grips: A2, Ergo Deluxe, or DPMS VFG: TD VFG or Magpul AFG2 Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR NSWDG 416 Recce: Optic: Nightforce 2.5-10x24 or Nightforce 1-4x24 Piggybacked Optic: Jpoint and Insight mounted in Wilcox Ring Cap or Insight 30mm Mount/Cap. Rings: Nightforce A110, or Unimount. Larue LT101 Riser Handguard: Factory HK Barrel: 13"? Chopped HK barrel with Ops Collar and Brake, 14.5", or 10.4" HK Muzzle Device: AAC 18T, BE Myers 249F, or Ops Brake Suppressor: Ops 12th Model or AAC 416SD Pistol Grips: TD or HK VFG: TD, Grip Pod, or KAC Stocks: SOPMOD, CTR, Vltor, or Factory HK OG NSWDG Recce: Optic: 2.5-10x24/32 Nightforce or Leupold Vari-x/MK4 series Rings: Nightforce A110's, A203's, Leupold MK4, or KAC 1.4/5" Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint in Wilcox NF mount. NF RULR Mount for RULR Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length and Medium Length Barrel: Lilja 17" SS Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD or BE Myers 249F Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB Bipod's: Harris 6-9 or Grip Pod Pistol Grips: A2 Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR Delta Recce: Optic: S&B Short Dot Rings: Larue LT101 Riser, Larue Rings Handguard: KAC MRE Barrel: 14.5 M4A1 Colt Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB Pistol Grips: A2 VFG: Gangsta Grip Stocks: SOPMOD or Car AFSOC 416 Recce : Optic: S&B Short Dot, NF 2.5-10x32, or Leupold 1-6 MK6 Rings: Larue LT104, NF Unimount, or Leupold MK6 Handguard: Geissele SMR or Remington RAHG Barrel: 14.5 HK Muzzle Device: Surefire 212 Suppressor: Surefire 212 with SOCOM locking collar Pistol Grips: HK VFG: Stubby Stocks: CTR Bipod: Atlas ISSUED GUNS: NSW RECCE NSW 416 RECCE: Attached File OG SEAL RECCE: DELTA RECCE: AFSOC 416 RECCE: CLONES: |
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Originally Posted By cdholmes:
And here it finally is. Recce Take 2. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/414212/10B16DAA-720B-4A2A-9AAE-9B1504A2CCEE_jpeg-909132.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Digging the wall art. Where did you get it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt the Younger
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
The photos for those prints were taken by our very own ECPrevatte. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
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He just needs to add some Mod H action in there. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Either will be a good choice. I had a tough time finding a load to shoot really tight from my CLE Bartlein with 1-7. But once I did, man it did not disappoint. 24gr Varget. 75BTHP. Rem 7-1/2. Frontier brass. 1/2 MOA with the “flyer”. 3/8 MOA 4 shots. https://i.imgur.com/0IJoBSr.jpg This is the same load just mixed brass and 10 shots rapid fire. https://i.imgur.com/SapxVAa.jpg I have yet to shoot BH MK262 from it. The Magtech Clone was a little over 1 MOA. Frontier 55gr HP Match is also a little under an MOA in the Bartlein. Great cheap 400yd and in ammo. https://i.imgur.com/7R2yYpw.jpg Factory 73gr ELD is also about 1/2 MOA in the Bartlein. https://i.imgur.com/kwP2EBx.jpg View Quote |
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Just to clarify, will the Insight MRDS Mount fit on Nightforce rings? And does the MRDS and Docter sight have the same mounting footprint?
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Originally Posted By cdholmes:
Just to clarify, will the Insight MRDS Mount fit on Nightforce rings? And does the MRDS and Docter sight have the same mounting footprint? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Yes to both. The Docter is a little tight on there though. The Docter also sits very low. You can see the dot but it’s almost impossible to get a good zero as you can’t get to the set screws for the zero adjustments. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Yes to both. The Docter is a little tight on there though. The Docter also sits very low. You can see the dot but it’s almost impossible to get a good zero as you can’t get to the set screws for the zero adjustments. View Quote |
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WTB:
- EOTech FDE XPS 3-0 - Tanodized Eotech G33 - Insight LA-5 |
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Originally Posted By vanquishings:
Was moving stuff around in the garage and I thought the lighting was cool. https://live.staticflickr.com/7834/47556941772_32939f9879_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/7834/47556939092_1a3e194b12_b.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Finally together. Working on correcting the optic mount. I give you the “Daryl” OG Holland. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/F3CE644D-A648-4846-ABC7-D533A13059ED-913692.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/DEBEE6E1-2F94-4D13-9702-36424BA2E86E-863016.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/DC9DA3E0-18FC-4F6B-9DFE-2533B8F9CF16-863017.jpg View Quote |
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Stamp for the AEM5 finally came in the other day and I picked it up Saturday. Shot with it for the first time today with the SEAL Recce, CQBRecce and A1 clone I have set up for it. I loved it. Hardly any blowback and very quiet.
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Originally Posted By cdholmes:
Stamp for the AEM5 finally came in the other day and I picked it up Saturday. Shot with it for the first time today with the SEAL Recce, CQBRecce and A1 clone I have set up for it. I loved it. Hardly any blowback and very quiet. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Best can ever. I kinda wanna build a .223 or .22-250 bolt gun so I can put it on there too! View Quote The AEM5 is truly an outstanding performer and my setup goes to the range with me every single time. Todd Magee with Dead Air says it's still the quietest 5.56 can he's ever metered. |
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Cool configuration... Bet ya that duck was Al Qaeda
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Looks like NF rings on a riser.
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IG @arogueninja
BRD of KAC Lunch Box Crew PN: 495051 |
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And what scope is that? There is some extra stuff going on with the occular lense that is throwing me..... It's either a flip cover flipped out, but it's making it look like one of those scopes with the rubber floppy thing that goes around your eyeball...... eh?
I'm thinking that mount could be a Larue Riser like the one Horrigan had at one point... possibly.... https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-scope-mount-qd-lt807/ meh, now that I'm looking at it it looks longer and there seems like there are round knobs on it.... Does look like a riser with some rings. Seems pretty high up too overall. Isn't the receiver rail already higher than a normal one on the 416? Thanks for posting that pic. I've never seen it. |
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
And what scope is that? There is some extra stuff going on with the occular lense that is throwing me..... It's either a flip cover flipped out, but it's making it look like one of those scopes with the rubber floppy thing that goes around your eyeball...... eh? I'm thinking that mount could be a Larue Riser like the one Horrigan had at one point... possibly.... https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-scope-mount-qd-lt807/ meh, now that I'm looking at it it looks longer and there seems like there are round knobs on it.... Does look like a riser with some rings. Seems pretty high up too overall. Isn't the receiver rail already higher than a normal one on the 416? Thanks for posting that pic. I've never seen it. View Quote Eta: definitely #1 & After looking again. I'd say a Butler Creek rear cap and the doctor cover rubber banded to the side of the scope like the guy in the helo pic. |
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IG @arogueninja
BRD of KAC Lunch Box Crew PN: 495051 |
When in doubt, NF is the answer. LOL. You're probably right. I'm not so sure about the mount being a larue though. Unless they made them with round knobs a long time ago. Course my eyes aint what they used to be.
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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I think those are nuts on the ring base...
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I don't see any knobs in the riser, to me those what I think you are talking about look like the nuts on the rings. But you are right, I don't think it's a Larue riser after looking at it. It kind of looks like a YHM.
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IG @arogueninja
BRD of KAC Lunch Box Crew PN: 495051 |
I can't see anything cuz of the camo. LOL. It actually is doing a decent job in that photo in comparison to the background.
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Originally Posted By ARogueNinja:
I don't see any knobs in the riser, to me those what I think you are talking about look like the nuts on the rings. But you are right, I don't think it's a Larue riser after looking at it. It kind of looks like a YHM. View Quote |
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IG @arogueninja
BRD of KAC Lunch Box Crew PN: 495051 |
Originally Posted By TraumaCharms:
I felt the need to stop lurking and contribute to some of these picture threads for once. I'm building a recce clone myself and I've collected some photos of what's publicly out there. This is a higher res pic of KV (RIP): http://i.imgur.com/yg93S3S.jpg pretty sure it's a front chopped GG&G scout riser. GG&G risers, Larue risers, KAC tri mount risers, and another I couldn't ID have been seen on 416 recce rifles before. View Quote |
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IG @arogueninja
BRD of KAC Lunch Box Crew PN: 495051 |
Huh, I've got one of those lying around.
Now if only someone else could scrounge up 1.5" KAC rings so I don't have to megadunk the Horrigan build... |
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Old school Delta rifle in this pic of Kyle Lamb (member of 1st SFOD-D who fought in Mogadishu during the Black Hawk Down raid). Looks like it's from 2003. Taken from a thread in GD.
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Originally Posted By A_Friendly_Manatee:
Old school Delta rifle in this pic of Kyle Lamb (member of 1st SFOD-D who fought in Mogadishu during the Black Hawk Down raid). Looks like it's from 2003. Taken from a thread in GD. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/11759/CSM_Kyle_Lamb_jpg-922904.JPG View Quote |
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I'm guessing there's an M4 barrel under that handguard like Augee's build, but who knows... Would be sweet if we could see the rest of it.
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Still no joy on the 1.5" KAC rings. Actually found someone who had some, that he SOLD 6 FUCKING MONTHS AGO to someone building an "old school build".
Even Geno doesn't have a set or even a lead on them, KAC doesn't have any left. Taking everything in my power not to just dunk the whole idea and let it go. |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Still no joy on the 1.5" KAC rings. Actually found someone who had some, that he SOLD 6 FUCKING MONTHS AGO to someone building an "old school build". Even Geno doesn't have a set or even a lead on them, KAC doesn't have any left. Taking everything in my power not to just dunk the whole idea and let it go. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Why not just use the shorter set until one pops up? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Still no joy on the 1.5" KAC rings. Actually found someone who had some, that he SOLD 6 FUCKING MONTHS AGO to someone building an "old school build". Even Geno doesn't have a set or even a lead on them, KAC doesn't have any left. Taking everything in my power not to just dunk the whole idea and let it go. And, MSG Horrigan happens to be the gentleman that is the reason we have 1.93" LaRue mounts. One might consider that at the end he potentially had a Short Dot in a 1.93 LaRue mount, but for me the KAC rings and Leupold are the MRE that has had me wanting an MRE this entire time. |
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I dig the higher mounts. For me higher is better, I think. Looks a bit wonky though. LOL.
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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