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Posted: 2/19/2014 11:11:27 PM EDT
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This is intended to help people who want to build lightweight rifles and/or want to lighten up an existing rifle. This is not necessarily intended to be a comprehensive list, as it only includes parts that are lightweight or nearly so. RAW DATA SPREADSHEET HERE, v1.03 An updated Parts Database made by another user is here: Check this Google Doc It may be more complete / more updated. My recommended cheap / light build if you only want to get under 5 lbs for ~ $1k. Forged lower $80 Standard LPK minus grip $55 CAR Fiberlite stock $60 Hogue 15-degree grip $20 - Forged upper (no Forward Assist) $80 Faxon 16" (or 14.5") pencil barrel $180 Samson Low profile (.625") Gas Block $60 DSA Low-Mass BCG $130 OR Odinworks Lightweight BCG $180 Fostec Mach-2 LITE 10" Rail $184 Standard upper parts (minus FA) View Quote For a little more money (about $150 more) you can save a few more ounces Adjustable Gas Block $80 (this is critical) Odinworks Adjustable Buffer $50 DSA Enhanced Aluminum BCG $160 Tubb Precision Flatwire Spring $30 View Quote Key: U = User Data M = Manufacturer C = Calculated Weights listed are in ounces. Parts in purple are amongst the lightest options ****Upper Parts**** Muzzle Devices A2 Flash Hider 2.15 U A2 Extended Mag Tactical 1.90 M BE Meyers 2.50 M AAC Brakeout 51t 4.20 M AAC Blackout 51t 4.30 M VDI Manimal 1.48 M Rainier Mini-Comp 1.44 U ALG Single Chamber Brake 2.01 U V7 Titanium 1.35 M V7 Ti V-grooved 1.25 M Venom Defense hybrid steel muzzle brake 1.48 U Charging Handles PSA Milspec 1.13 U Breek Arms Warhammer 1.0 U Spikes Milspec 1.07 U Rainier Raptor 1.42 U BCM Gunfighter Med 1.24 U BCM Gunfighter Small V7 Ultra-light charging handle 1.04 M Bolt Carrier Groups LMT Semi-Auto 11.14 U Umbrella Corp Full-Auto 11.46 U RRA Semi-Auto 11.26 U Spikes NIB FA 11.8 U Colt F/A BCG 11.56 U BCM F/A BCG 11.64 U PSA F/A BCG 11.50 U Red X Arms Ti 7.81 M JP LMOS Bolt Carrier 6.25 M JP Bolt Carrier (full mass) 8.5 M Young Man. SLC carrier 7.1 U FN Bolt Only 1.5 U Smith Aluminum carrier w/ key 3.7 U PM&T Ti carrier w/ key 5.1 U V7 Systems Ti Carrier 5.7 M V7 Systems Ti BCG 7.9 M DSA Low-Mass Steel BCG 9.1 M DSA Aluminum BCG 5.2 M OdinWorks Low Mass BCG (steel) 9.0 MU WDR Titanium BCG 7.8 M FosTecH LOW MASS BCG (Nickel Boron) 8.5 M Gas Blocks Aero precision 0.625 adjustable BCM 0.75" 1.30 U BCM 0.625" 1.928 U Daniel Def LPGB 0.750 1.28 M Daniel Def LPGB 0.625 1.92 M V7 Systems Ti LPGB 0.750 0.74 M V7 Systems Ti LPGB 0.625 0.71 M 2A Armament Ti 0.750 0.70 M VLTOR 0.625" (set screw) 1.4 M Parallax Tactical LPGB 1.47 U SA 0.75" adjustable 1.8 U Samson MFG lite 0.625" 0.6 U YHM LP w/ set screws 1.43 U Gas Tubes Del-ton Carbine 0.63 U Carbine Length 0.7 C BCM Midlength 0.757 U V7 Midlength 0.94 U Mid Length 0.8 U Rifle Length 0.9 U Dust Covers Dust Cover Assembly 0.75 U Dust Cover Ass., V7 0.37 M Mako Poly Dust Cover: 0.2 (discontinued?) UBCM Dust Cover 0.506 U BCM Dust Cover Pin 0.211 U BCM Dust Cover Spring 0.021 U Strike Industries Ultimate Polymer 0.3 M Strike Industries Ultimate overmolded Polymer 0.5 M Strike Industries Polyflex 0.3 M Magpul Polymer ? Forward Assists BCM Forward Assist 0.712 U BCM FA Spring 0.058 U WOA Forward Assist Assy 0.74 U Northtech Ti Forward Assist 0.501 U Northtech Ti FA Spring 0.050 U Schuster Mfg FA plug 0.10 U Upper Receivers 2A Armament Balios Lite stripped, no FA 5.8 M Aero Precision Forged Stripped 7.16 U Aero Precision Forged Stripped; no FA 6.4 U Fostec FLITE Elite Stripped 5.92 M Kaiser X-7 Poly Upper: 5.5 M Mega Arms forged stripped 6.9 M Mega Arms Billet Upper, 9.4 M Rainier Forged, Complete 8.6 M Rainier Arms Forged Stripped 7.08 U Spikes Forged complete: 8.4 U V7 Weapon Systems Forged Complete 7.7 M V7 Weapon Systems Forged stripped 6.8 M V7 Weapon Systems Enlightened 6.0 M V7 Weapon Systems Enlightened (lithium/aluminum) 5.8 M Forged no FA, complete 7.3 C |
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Originally Posted By Bacon_Grease: I missed your post but answered below it's a poly rail painted to look carbon fiber. I'm sure it's stupid but it's 6 oz plus barrel nut and cost me 40 shipped I think. Unfortunately eBay parts dried up because of gov crackdown. I wanted to buy a couple more. I have a 9mm build I don't think I'll need to worry about. I think I'll go to the range with a couple mags as a function test this week wife's coming back from visiting family so I have been cleaning up gun parts. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Dating a single mom is like playing someone else's saved game. |
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Anyone know the lightest sling QD mlok mount?
Edit: found one. Impact weapons components. .314 ounces. 6061. V7 was a tad over .4 ounces but stronger at 7075. I feel 6061 is plenty for a QD mount though. |
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I was curious about weights of the Clark handguards, clamp vs glue, and saw on the PWD that the difference wasn't clear. Got this today when I asked:
I am including information from our web page that has the weights of the handguards with the barrel nut included in the weight. The clamp itself weights 1 oz so add 1 oz to the weights listed below for the clamp on model. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Regards, Specs.: 2.025″ Outside Diameter 1.88″ Inside Diameter Backing plate and Sling Stud add 1 ounce Weights include the barrel nut PART # WEIGHT / LENGTH CLK-750SBR4 3 ounces / 4″ long CLK-750SBR6 4 ounces / 6 1/4″ long CLK-750C (Carbine) 5 ounces / 9″ long CLK-750 (Standard) 6 ounces / 12 5/8″ long CLK-750L (Extra Long) 7 ounces / 16″ long Logan Clark President CCG Inc. |
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Good info, I'll have to add it to the PWD... Which is getting an update soon!
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The future of your lightweight AR build begins with the PWD. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I6Qb6kAJjChEJ56qhznv2291c5UHRDyNXuSXGObumqM/edit?usp=sharing
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OK, we are into ultra light weight AR rifles.
So does an ultra lightweight 50 BMG count???? Shot Show most 50 BMGs weigh 40 pounds plus. So this new rifle they are saying as 50 Black Out weighs 19 pounds, so it does qualify? Seems they use a lot of AR15 parts in to lower, but I could see the ounces melting off the lower from our lists. Add a titanium muzzle brake and cut half a pound off the upper. Shoots a 911 grain bullet. One comment was his shoulder ran away and hid! Amen |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
OK, we are into ultra light weight AR rifles. So does an ultra lightweight 50 BMG count???? Shot Show most 50 BMGs weigh 40 pounds plus. So this new rifle they are saying as 50 Black Out weighs 19 pounds, so it does qualify? Seems they use a lot of AR15 parts in to lower, but I could see the ounces melting off the lower from our lists. Add a titanium muzzle brake and cut half a pound off the upper. Shoots a 911 grain bullet. One comment was his shoulder ran away and hid! Amen View Quote |
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John from The Gun Collective had a video of that rifle up on his you tube channel, here is the link:
Lightweight 50BMG? But HOW?! |
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Looks like I have a small issue with my Coda handguard now. One of the trunnion screws pulled out the threads, and now it's sitting on my desk. Waiting for their repair/warranty guy to get a hold of me to try and get this handled.
Now I have the idea to try out another handguard depending on how things go. |
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Well something happened on my range trip.
I guess my pics didn't actually take. It was cold last week. No melting on the poly free float. I only put about 100 rounds through it in a time period of about 20 minutes though. (Lunch break) I did get a lot FTF. I assume the bcg is moving too fast to get the next round. So I put the weights back in the buffer for next time. |
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Dating a single mom is like playing someone else's saved game. |
Hope you get the FTF worked out bacon.
Loonytik did you get your issues solved yet? |
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Originally Posted By larrys:
Hope you get the FTF worked out bacon. Loonytik did you get your issues solved yet? View Quote |
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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Originally Posted By pscot468: It's got to be the bolt!!! Probably Chinese junk 🙄 I never used the bolt it came with. View Quote I'll have to try swapping the bolt with one of my other lightweights to see if that changes things. Gotta get this rifle running...too expensive to just sit in the safe. |
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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Originally Posted By Loonytik: Wait....you only used the carrier and swapped out the bolt? Is there a reason why? I'll have to try swapping the bolt with one of my other lightweights to see if that changes things. Gotta get this rifle running...too expensive to just sit in the safe. View Quote |
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There is most likely nothing wrong with your bolt carrier group. You NEED to understand what forces you are playing with here. Chances are your system is still over gassed. I understand you went with an RCA gas key? I have not had great success with adjustable keys and carriers as even if the key was completely closed the pressure in the gas tube still pushes the key backwards unlocking the bolt and starting the extraction cycle. Reducing gas at the gas block is the best method for ultralight actions. I added a threaded insert to my non adjustable gas block to reduce gas to my 2A regulated bcg and have seen a significant increase in adjustability and reliability.
Hope that helps. |
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Originally Posted By JerDerv:
There is most likely nothing wrong with your bolt carrier group. You NEED to understand what forces you are playing with here. Chances are your system is still over gassed. I understand you went with an RCA gas key? I have not had great success with adjustable keys and carriers as even if the key was completely closed the pressure in the gas tube still pushes the key backwards unlocking the bolt and starting the extraction cycle. Reducing gas at the gas block is the best method for ultralight actions. I added a threaded insert to my non adjustable gas block to reduce gas to my 2A regulated bcg and have seen a significant increase in adjustability and reliability. Hope that helps. View Quote |
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I know you can get it to work because I’m running almost the identical setup as you. 10.5 Faxon barrel, DSA sand cut BCG with RCA adj key, Nemo 300 BO spring and a cut down Taccom buffer.
It’s a stock DSA except I put a Ti cam pin and FP in it. I only ran 100 rounds through it so far but not a single hiccup. |
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Originally Posted By larrys:
I know you can get it to work because I’m running almost the identical setup as you. 10.5 Faxon barrel, DSA sand cut BCG with RCA adj key, Nemo 300 BO spring and a cut down Taccom buffer. It’s a stock DSA except I put a Ti cam pin and FP in it. I only ran 100 rounds through it so far but not a single hiccup. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JerDerv:
There is most likely nothing wrong with your bolt carrier group. You NEED to understand what forces you are playing with here. Chances are your system is still over gassed. I understand you went with an RCA gas key? I have not had great success with adjustable keys and carriers as even if the key was completely closed the pressure in the gas tube still pushes the key backwards unlocking the bolt and starting the extraction cycle. Reducing gas at the gas block is the best method for ultralight actions. I added a threaded insert to my non adjustable gas block to reduce gas to my 2A regulated bcg and have seen a significant increase in adjustability and reliability. Hope that helps. View Quote I just swapped out the bolt in the DSA carrier with one from a Toolcraft BCG. I'll see what happens at the range this weekend. |
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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That's a crazy of a long wait in my opinion! I have never used them so cant help you there. I do know I would have moved on by now and spent the cash elsewhere but I'm not real patient any more! (OLD)
Liking the build you got there! Show us when its all finished up please! |
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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Originally Posted By Micron:
That's a crazy of a long wait in my opinion! I have never used them so cant help you there. I do know I would have moved on by now and spent the cash elsewhere but I'm not real patient any more! (OLD) Liking the build you got there! Show us when its all finished up please! View Quote @Loonytik that really sucks, but I really like this carrier so I guess I'm in for the wait. https://www.2a-arms.com/product-p/ar15tirbc.htm |
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Finally...SUCCESS!
I swapped the bolt from a Toolcraft into the DSArms carrier and NOW I have a functioning rifle! I put 150 rounds through it with no issue with the brass ejecting at 2 O'clock 90% of the time. I did have 3 failure to ejects between 150 and 200 rounds but, I figured out that I hadn't put the set screw on the RCA adjustable key and the inner screw was basically allowing all gas through. Solved that and ran it several more rounds with no issues. Thanks for all the suggestions/help! @pscot468 @larrys @breastroker @jekbrown and others. |
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"Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
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Awesome Loonytik! So glad you got that baby running.
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Finally...SUCCESS! I swapped the bolt from a Toolcraft into the DSArms carrier and NOW I have a functioning rifle! I put 150 rounds through it with no issue with the brass ejecting at 2 O'clock 90% of the time. I did have 3 failure to ejects between 150 and 200 rounds but, I figured out that I hadn't put the set screw on the RCA adjustable key and the inner screw was basically allowing all gas through. Solved that and ran it several more rounds with no issues. Thanks for all the suggestions/help! @pscot468 @larrys @breastroker @jekbrown and others. View Quote |
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Forgive me for not searching all 117 pages. I referred to the first page for most parts, but settled on several other parts that are similar or better in weight that weren't even listed. I'm now looking for info on optic choices. I was really interested in the Leupy Mark AR 1-4 at 9.6oz but now I see it is discontinued. So far I have a 4.2lb AR needing an optic. Is there a compiled list of weighed red dots, fixed powers, lpvo's etc that I havent seen yet?
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Originally Posted By ThomasAb:
Forgive me for not searching all 117 pages. I referred to the first page for most parts, but settled on several other parts that are similar or better in weight that weren't even listed. I'm now looking for info on optic choices. I was really interested in the Leupy Mark AR 1-4 at 9.6oz but now I see it is discontinued. So far I have a 4.2lb AR needing an optic. Is there a compiled list of weighed red dots, fixed powers, lpvo's etc that I havent seen yet? View Quote This spreadsheet is what you want. |
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Perfect. Wish I'd seen that before I started my build!
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Thank you to everyone involved with the spreadsheet. It's invaluable.
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This isn't 5.56 so it's technically outside the purview of the project, but I thought this would be a good place to ask:
What's the lightest (and ideally modular, but willing to compromise) .40 or .45 caliber suppressor out there that's also capable of handling subsonic .300 BLK/9x39 loads? I was thinking of ordering Krebs' 9x39 pistol somewhere down the line, and I'd like to get the lightest suppressor I can find that will also work on my .40 caliber pistols. |
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Originally Posted By seasprite:
Hey guys, have a question about 2nd amendment armament. I ordered there titanium adjustable carrier back on Black Friday and still haven't received a shipping notice. I've contacted them twice and they said they were working on filling back orders and should be done by the end of the week or the beginning of next week. That was back on Jan 27. I have patients to wait for a quality part just wish they would tell me the truth about the wait time. So my question is this what kind of wait time have you guys had with them? Here is a pic of the build I'm working on. 12" 6.5 Grendel https://i.imgur.com/UzDAw6H.jpg I'm not trying for an ultra lite build but trying to keep the weight down as much as possible. I have everything but the carrier at this point and I'm sitting at 4.85lbs. Was surprised at how heavy the Gibbs upper was but I think I'm going to like it . After I get my final piece, its off to get cerakoted Thanks guys View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Took the light rifle out for another spin this weekend with good success. Now that the bolt from the DSArms BCG was replaced I haven't had any issues with cycling. The only issue I have now is getting the bolt to push another round in when it's locked back. The spring and carrier don't have enough force to fully seat the new mag round. I usually end up removing the magazine and giving the charging handle another pull back. I used both PMAG's and Lancer mags. Any suggestions there? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49626012033_c888dcb246_c.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Loonytik: Took the light rifle out for another spin this weekend with good success. Now that the bolt from the DSArms BCG was replaced I haven't had any issues with cycling. The only issue I have now is getting the bolt to push another round in when it's locked back. The spring and carrier don't have enough force to fully seat the new mag round. I usually end up removing the magazine and giving the charging handle another pull back. I used both PMAG's and Lancer mags. Any suggestions there?
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Took the light rifle out for another spin this weekend with good success. Now that the bolt from the DSArms BCG was replaced I haven't had any issues with cycling. The only issue I have now is getting the bolt to push another round in when it's locked back. The spring and carrier don't have enough force to fully seat the new mag round. I usually end up removing the magazine and giving the charging handle another pull back. I used both PMAG's and Lancer mags. Any suggestions there? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49626012033_c888dcb246_c.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Took the light rifle out for another spin this weekend with good success. Now that the bolt from the DSArms BCG was replaced I haven't had any issues with cycling. The only issue I have now is getting the bolt to push another round in when it's locked back. The spring and carrier don't have enough force to fully seat the new mag round. I usually end up removing the magazine and giving the charging handle another pull back. I used both PMAG's and Lancer mags. Any suggestions there? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49626012033_c888dcb246_c.jpg Originally Posted By jimmyheadgear:
Which DSA BCG did you get? I just ordered the aluminum sand cutter. Should I be worried? |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: More gas or a heavier buffer. I'd try more gas 1st. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By pscot468: So your issue is getting the first round of a fully loaded pmag or lancer to chamber when your gun is locked open and you press the bolt catch? I think this is common with lancers, even with mil spec carbine springs. I use DD mags, I don't have this problem. It's just your weak Nemo 300 blk subsonic spring, not really sure if there's a good fix other than different magazines. One of the prices you pay for softer recoil!!!. |
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Originally Posted By pscot468:
He's got the sand cut aluminum too. The included bolt was cheap Chinese garbage, couldn't get the rifle running until he swapped it for a good bolt. I also use the dsa aluminum sand cut carrier but I never used the bolt that came with it. The carrier itself is g2g. View Quote |
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CDNN has Bushmaster fiberlite clone stocks for $9
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Ready for the boogafloo
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Took the light rifle out for another spin this weekend with good success. Now that the bolt from the DSArms BCG was replaced I haven't had any issues with cycling. The only issue I have now is getting the bolt to push another round in when it's locked back. The spring and carrier don't have enough force to fully seat the new mag round. I usually end up removing the magazine and giving the charging handle another pull back. I used both PMAG's and Lancer mags. Any suggestions there? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49626012033_c888dcb246_c.jpg View Quote |
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