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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD 
some reference pics  Attached File Attached File
 early block II
 more early Block IIs
Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 2:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2023 4:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Just today I got in the top mount for the aim point so I've switched from the offset to a top mount for the time being. POST IT |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:38:02 PM EDT
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Glitch bump
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MH, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:45:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:36:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: teamjawbox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/9C1386DB-0D33-45FD-B75E-1E16A32152B8_jpe-2730466.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/BD6632D2-8B0A-424F-A94C-7E5C2B0A4509_jpe-2730467.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/61DF4B9E-49CD-4664-A866-4D023951B360_jpe-2730469.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/0480EECD-7D42-4C22-9713-A07804133F58_jpe-2730470.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/9FC1396A-7171-4454-BC9A-CE96FDFCFA6B_jpe-2730472.JPG Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I’m building a NSW DMR clone. I’ve got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don’t have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what’s in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I'm building a NSW DMR clone. I've got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don't have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what's in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too some FSP ones. Obviously not NSW.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:53:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I’m building a NSW DMR clone. I’ve got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don’t have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what’s in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too I did one but with an MK5 instead but have recently been eyeballing the fuck out of a few MK6's.............I just remember reading how much they suck compared to the MK5 so I bought the MK5 to start.......... |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: I did one but with an MK5 instead but have recently been eyeballing the fuck out of a few MK6's.............I just remember reading how much they suck compared to the MK5 so I bought the MK5 to start.......... Are mk5’s kosher? I’ve heard the same thing about mk6’s compared the 5’s. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:29:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Are mk5’s kosher? I’ve heard the same thing about mk6’s compared the 5’s. I know they are on the newer URGI but cannot speak on it as to Block II |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 10:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: I did one but with an MK5 instead but have recently been eyeballing the fuck out of a few MK6's.............I just remember reading how much they suck compared to the MK5 so I bought the MK5 to start.......... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I’m building a NSW DMR clone. I’ve got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don’t have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what’s in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too I did one but with an MK5 instead but have recently been eyeballing the fuck out of a few MK6's.............I just remember reading how much they suck compared to the MK5 so I bought the MK5 to start.......... What’s your experience with the MK5 been like? |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:00:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: What’s your experience with the MK5 been like? Well it’s the TMR so there’s that, I hear a lot a folks on here talk shit about optical clarity but I own 6 NF scopes and I feel the MK5 is on point glass wise! Have not shot for any grouping yet but I like the damn thing other than it’s a 35mm tube so the $2k in mounts I had already for my NF’s meant jack shit. Currently it’s in a badger C1. Again I shoot to hit coke can size targets not the wings off a gnats ass… |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 8:00:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I’m building a NSW DMR clone. I’ve got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don’t have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what’s in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too @teamjawbox I have a date/lot code FSP rail I'm about to ditch. PM me if interested |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 10:30:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: @teamjawbox I have a date/lot code FSP rail I'm about to ditch. PM me if interested Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Legendary pic drop! Thanks for that. Guess I’m building a NSW DMR clone. I’ve got a spare C AF receiver, NOS C MP 14.5 socom barrel, and a SF4P. I don’t have a non-FSP rail, however. I do have a FSP RIS II but really want to get as close to what’s in the pics as possible. I have a line on a mk6 but will wear a NF 2.5-10x24 until that comes through if needed. Aside from sourcing a rail, am I good with the C AF receiver and NOS C MP Socom? Also have a spare C MPC BCG of thats era correct as well. Or should I be going FN? Thanks again for the legendary pic drop LsuJon ETA: I see a Colt cerro forge upper in some of your pics so am guessing the C AF is good too @teamjawbox I have a date/lot code FSP rail I'm about to ditch. PM me if interested I appreciate it but am actually looking for a non-FSP. I have a FSP currently but want to score a non for the NSW DMR build. Greatly appreciated though. Thanks!  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 6:18:03 PM EDT
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As issued - were black SOPMOD stocks more prevalent than FDEs?
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Posted: 3/7/2023 4:39:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: As issued - were black SOPMOD stocks more prevalent than FDEs? In my experience yes. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 8:32:58 AM EDT
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Block II-ish
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Posted: 3/9/2023 8:41:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Posted: 3/9/2023 12:15:52 PM EDT
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Does anyone have that pic of the a2 with a risii behind the rifle length fsb? I feel like I’ve seen it ITT but I can’t find it on google.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 1:51:11 PM EDT
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ATACR is planned for the future, but for now the Razor will do.
 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 4:19:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2023 8:42:29 AM EDT
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Can I request a pic dump of Block II’s with 1-8 NF ATACR optics? Those of you that are running it, are you a fan for engagements between 400 and say-700, 800 max?
I’ve been wanting a mid range gasser since I’ve had an SR25 on backorder through their mil program for the better part of 2-3 years now. I was mulling over building a MK12, but the lack of modern amenities with its optics and not wanting to dump a ton of money into a whole other outdated platform has me considering throwing an ATACR on my M4. I shoot an AI bolt gun on the regular so my FFP ATACR with the mil-XT reticle has, to say the least, spoiled me. |
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Posted: 3/11/2023 11:22:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: StealthGuy]
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I’ve been liking my ATACR. I’ve only pushed mine to 400 so far while testing a 36yrd zero. I’ve got some old Black Hills and some AAC 77gr I want to try and take out to 700 which is my ranges max.
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Posted: 3/14/2023 3:42:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
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My humble contribution and I have another new Non FSP Blk II upper bout to be mailed to JT for the more traditional version with either an Eotech or my FDE ATACR 1-8 and CTR/LMT Gen 1...........................
I'll be replacing the Badger C1 with the Leupold IMS in the next week or two for the MK5.....................  I love the 2.5-10x32 on the FSP (went G Extended Mount but have the NF Ultramount also) but also have an ACOG TA31RCO with RMR for it that I heart equally..........................  If anybody would like to trade 1 or even 2 Black PRI Mil Latch for my 1 or 2 FDE ones I'd be down................... |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 7:10:07 PM EDT
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As far as ACOGs with RMRs on Block IIs go, is it pretty much just TA01 ECOS? I have an old TA31 and RM38 mount I like on my Block II but I'm fairly sure it's not "clone correct." Might just keep it anyways though.
On that same note, does anyone have photos of RM38 mounts on ACOGs in service roles? I know it's not directly Block II related but its hard to find. |
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Posted: 3/14/2023 9:47:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimopl: As far as ACOGs with RMRs on Block IIs go, is it pretty much just TA01 ECOS? I have an old TA31 and RM38 mount I like on my Block II but I'm fairly sure it's not "clone correct." Might just keep it anyways though. On that same note, does anyone have photos of RM38 mounts on ACOGs in service roles? I know it's not directly Block II related but its hard to find. Yes. Specifically the tanodized old version with the ARMS mount 
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Posted: 3/15/2023 11:12:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cerickson12]
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Sopmod block II build
Restricted Mil/gov/law stamped Colt |
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Posted: 3/15/2023 11:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jimopl: As far as ACOGs with RMRs on Block IIs go, is it pretty much just TA01 ECOS? I have an old TA31 and RM38 mount I like on my Block II but I'm fairly sure it's not "clone correct." Might just keep it anyways though. On that same note, does anyone have photos of RM38 mounts on ACOGs in service roles? I know it's not directly Block II related but its hard to find. I love me some Acog ECOS  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 7:33:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:15:13 PM EDT
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are the tangodown stubby vfg’s considered clone correct?
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:49:10 PM EDT
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Seems like 3/4 of block ii clones have them so...yes?
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/C9C3E04D-BF1D-4B63-9B56-E99788A1D937_jpe-2748470.JPG That a MK5? |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:50:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: That a MK5? |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 12:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: mk6 su-279 Thanks. I keep reading that MK5's are ITW and considered a better optic overall than than the MK6 and am somewhat looking for an excuse to buy one, or both. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:56:21 PM EDT
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Couldn’t resist trying out an ECOS. I’ve always been an ACOG fan, I might prefer my RCO.
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Posted: 3/18/2023 8:44:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Super_Trouper]
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So this happened yesterday:
 I've been focusing more on stretching this rifle out since I've started shooting long range with my AI, and wanted to change to a more usable optic than the Elcan or ACOG that sat on this rifle previously. Going to take it out this weekend and see how well it'll do past 500 yards with both M855 and some AAC 77gr. For reference this rifle has a gov't profile Colt barrel. Also going to figure out if I prefer a 12 o' clock RDS or an offset and ditch the irons, I think. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 9:43:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Super_Trouper: So this happened yesterday: https://imgur.com/LLZ2eHC.jpg I've been focusing more on stretching this rifle out since I've started shooting long range with my AI, and wanted to change to a more usable optic than the Elcan or ACOG that sat on this rifle previously. Going to take it out this weekend and see how well it'll do past 500 yards with both M855 and some AAC 77gr. For reference this rifle has a gov't profile Colt barrel. Also going to figure out if I prefer a 12 o' clock RDS or an offset and ditch the irons, I think. Looks great, ATACR or Mark 6 is definitely the way for block II |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:14:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Looks great, ATACR or Mark 6 is definitely the way for block II I agree and once my other upper gets back from JT it'll wear the ATACR but I'll add the MK5 fits the bill in place of the MK6 nicely............... |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:38:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: I agree and once my other upper gets back from JT it'll wear the ATACR but I'll add the MK5 fits the bill in place of the MK6 nicely............... 
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:54:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: It doesn't. Mk6 and Elcan supremacy. 
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: It doesn't. Mk6 and Elcan supremacy. 
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:01:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: I agree and once my other upper gets back from JT it'll wear the ATACR but I'll add the MK5 fits the bill in place of the MK6 nicely............... I’m considering a Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44 for certain applications but I may throw that on something like a MK12 upper or a 7.62 rifle. Undecided. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:16:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:24:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:33:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Also team mk8 supremacy  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/2AD8A23D-47DC-4941-B711-DC4DC8D91AAA_jpe-2750359.JPG MK8 is dominance and there was or is one listed in the EE I'd love to have......................... |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:40:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: MK8 is dominance and there was or is one listed in the EE I'd love to have.........................  Attached Filemore mk8  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 11:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I enjoy mine. No longer have this setup and it's currently on my .300blk Noveske Navy. However, if I ever get the appropriate Eotech I wouldn't mind converting the 14.5 block II into a marsoc clone. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/2B7C0D90-EBCE-4CC7-81C3-B1C77C35B91C_jpe-2750392.JPG more mk8 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/0789B557-5172-4433-A4C6-0340A8BE4F5B_jpe-2750395.JPG 
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Posted: 3/18/2023 5:19:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Oops. Wrong clone thread.
Let me try this again… |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 7:05:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I enjoy mine. No longer have this setup and it's currently on my .300blk Noveske Navy. However, if I ever get the appropriate Eotech I wouldn't mind converting the 14.5 block II into a marsoc clone. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/2B7C0D90-EBCE-4CC7-81C3-B1C77C35B91C_jpe-2750392.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: MK8 is dominance and there was or is one listed in the EE I'd love to have......................... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/2B7C0D90-EBCE-4CC7-81C3-B1C77C35B91C_jpe-2750392.JPG That build is ridiculously beautiful |
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Posted: 3/19/2023 6:53:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
[#50]
Dude on YouTube with a video titled: CLONE RIFLES: CLASSES OF CLONES stated HK style Troy Battle Sights are clone correct. He closed the segment saying, “… rest assured, you’re good to go.”
… ??? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of this. Without getting into any political discussions of how crappy Troy Industries is now, could someone in the know please shed some light on this? Dude said they had cage codes and were used on both Block IIs and Mk 18 Mod 1s/CQBRs the field. He said those issued were FDE, but if they actually were issued, can anyone verify if they were all FDE, or black as well? Thanks! |
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