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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD 
some reference pics  Attached File Attached File
 early block II
 more early Block IIs
Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 6:24:19 AM EDT
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I know it isn’t correct for the block II, but I’m 99% sure that I’m going use a Geissele charging handle. The question is, do I go with black or DDC?
The DDC is actually in use, so I’m kind of leaning that way, but since it isn’t actually correct for this particular rifle part of me is thinking go black so it blends in. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 6:24:37 AM EDT
[#2]
Glitch
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Posted: 11/20/2018 6:25:28 AM EDT
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Glitch
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Posted: 11/20/2018 7:52:41 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556:
I know it isn’t correct for the block II, but I’m 99% sure that I’m going use a Geissele charging handle. The question is, do I go with black or DDC? The DDC is actually in use, so I’m kind of leaning that way, but since it isn’t actually correct for this particular rifle part of me is thinking go black so it blends in. Thoughts? CD |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:09:50 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Once URGIs are issued and spare parts available I'm sure they'll get used in Block II as long as Block IIs remain in service. CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I know it isn’t correct for the block II, but I’m 99% sure that I’m going use a Geissele charging handle. The question is, do I go with black or DDC? The DDC is actually in use, so I’m kind of leaning that way, but since it isn’t actually correct for this particular rifle part of me is thinking go black so it blends in. Thoughts? CD Thank you. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2018 8:59:38 PM EDT
[#6]
Got the Block 2 out to slay some deer.
Looks a little better with some blood 
I know, the optic is wrong... |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:08:26 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPDowning:
Got the Block 2 out to slay some deer. https://i.imgur.com/Jlsosqz.jpg Looks a little better with some blood
I know, the optic is wrong... 
(had a lens loose inside, and recoil would jar it in and out of position so one shot was clear, the next fuzzy, etc.--no issue getting it replaced, just been waiting forever cause they're backordered but "should ship by the end of the month") |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:11:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Hard to make out but "N" is "N" and not reversed. Both are legit Martini Henrys. CD Not saying yours/all are fake but that I wasn't able to determine for myself what was/n't real...and then, when the 'ghans figiured out that some would pay a lot for "junk" guns, the prices went way up. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:31:54 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: My first pull (early days) here I studied MHs and tried to find what I was convinced was a legit one; even had a terp or two take me to "real" gun shops (not a FOB bazaar) out in the villes...and I became convinced that the Afghans can fake together just about anything. Not saying yours/all are fake but that I wasn't able to determine for myself what was/n't real...and then, when the 'ghans figiured out that some would pay a lot for "junk" guns, the prices went way up. 
runner_rifle2 by Armed Ferret, on Flickr Everyone wants British ones, so they don't bother faking the military contract rifles made in-country waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day.
Even had a friend generous enough to donate a round so I could give the death-grip trigger (easily 20 pounds of pull weight, probably more) a try: There's a youtube video here |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:43:37 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:49:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Get to clonin', boys! Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild!
A trade with the man you quoted, me receiving a Colt SOCOM barrel out of the deal is what saved me from that mess
I still have a pic of it somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:56:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#12]
@killerb6 found it.
It looked a lot better after Combat Diver sent me that Colt bbl
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Get to clonin', boys! Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:58:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:04:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
CQDs without any markings. They were on 14.5" URGs assembled by Crane. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5938_jpg-746228.JPG Also looks like rust spots forming on the two right 99051's. But I forget what metal the body is made from, and if its even ferrous.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:06:20 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: Get to clonin', boys! Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild!  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:06:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You hatin' on my gas block heat vent? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:07:51 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Interesting. Looks like they're parkerized. Also looks like rust spots forming on the two right 99051's. But I forget what metal the body is made from, and if its even ferrous. 
CD |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:13:04 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
That gaping hole has neither function or form. I get why it could happen in real life, I just can't imagine ever owning an abomination like that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild!
The FSP rail makes the gun a complete PITA to work on. Have to remove muzzle device (very much a pain if pinned/welded), then loosen the rail at the mounting plate, then knock out the FSB pins, then slide off the rail and gas block together. Whereas the continuous is much easier. Undo the plate bolts and slide off the rail. Ill prob never own another FSP because of that alone, and it only makes the weapon more nose heavy retaining the FSB, a rail that long and forward mounted accessories. As you said, no pros to it lol |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:14:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Lint from the red cleaning rags
CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Interesting. Looks like they're parkerized. Also looks like rust spots forming on the two right 99051's. But I forget what metal the body is made from, and if its even ferrous.
CD
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I probably hated it even more than you do.
The FSP rail makes the gun a complete PITA to work on. Have to remove muzzle device (very much a pain if pinned/welded), then loosen the rail at the mounting plate, then knock out the FSB pins, then slide off the rail and gas block together. Whereas the continuous is much easier. Undo the plate bolts and slide off the rail. Ill prob never own another FSP because of that alone, and it only makes the weapon more nose heavy retaining the FSB, a rail that long and forward mounted accessories. As you said, no pros to it lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild!
The FSP rail makes the gun a complete PITA to work on. Have to remove muzzle device (very much a pain if pinned/welded), then loosen the rail at the mounting plate, then knock out the FSB pins, then slide off the rail and gas block together. Whereas the continuous is much easier. Undo the plate bolts and slide off the rail. Ill prob never own another FSP because of that alone, and it only makes the weapon more nose heavy retaining the FSB, a rail that long and forward mounted accessories. As you said, no pros to it lol |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
You just made an enemy now. I don't necessarily prefer the FSP rails but I don't hate them either. 1/2 of my rifles have them and I frequent the FSP and free float FSB pic threads. The FSB is kind of in the way of a laser, remote switch, your hand... and it does get hot... BUT, it's better for irons only and in conjunction with a red dot sight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5634_jpg-739385.JPG Didn't have anymore nonFSP rails and no new FSB barrels, so FSP rails with low profile gas blocks, new barrels (mixed Govt Profile/SOCOM). Only thing used was the Bolt Carrier (new bolt), receiver and rail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-739387.JPG CD Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild!
The FSP rail makes the gun a complete PITA to work on. Have to remove muzzle device (very much a pain if pinned/welded), then loosen the rail at the mounting plate, then knock out the FSB pins, then slide off the rail and gas block together. Whereas the continuous is much easier. Undo the plate bolts and slide off the rail. Ill prob never own another FSP because of that alone, and it only makes the weapon more nose heavy retaining the FSB, a rail that long and forward mounted accessories. As you said, no pros to it lol
Continuous for the win!
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:38:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmedFerret]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: You just made an enemy now. I don't necessarily prefer the FSP rails but I don't hate them either. 1/2 of my rifles have them and I frequent the FSP and free float FSB pic threads. The FSB is kind of in the way of a laser, remote switch, your hand... and it does get hot... BUT, it's better for irons only and in conjunction with a red dot sight.
SortaCloney1 by Armed Ferret, on Flickr 
SortaCloney2 by Armed Ferret, on Flickr |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:45:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPDowning:
Got the Block 2 out to slay some deer. https://i.imgur.com/Jlsosqz.jpg Looks a little better with some blood
I know, the optic is wrong... |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:12:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#26]
I’ve owned both the standard and FSP rails, prefer the FSP other than how easy it is to touch the FSB inadvertently.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:59:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2018 5:17:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tripleu]
[#28]
The start of a new project. Initially I was going to do a Block I/1.5, but I found a FSP RIS II for cheap. However, the seller of the FSP was having issues and wasn't able to get the rail on time but thankfully I got a standard RIS II thanks to @871JZ.
Didn't want to spend the money on a 4 prong, and I already had a Warcomp laying around. Plans are to get a KAC front sight and KAC rear sight to replace the Matech. I also need a light (either M600 or M952V) and possibly a Geissele Airborne Charging Handle with Black Friday coming up. I know the ACH isn't correct, but may trickle down as mentioned above. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 9:07:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tripleu:
The start of a new project. Initially I was going to do a Block I/1.5, but I found a FSP RIS II for cheap. However, the seller of the FSP was having issues and wasn't able to get the rail on time but thankfully I got a standard RIS II thanks to @871JZ. Didn't want to spend the money on a 4 prong, and I already had a Warcomp laying around. Plans are to get a KAC front sight and KAC rear sight to replace the Matech. I also need a light (either M600 or M952V) and possibly a Geissele Airborne Charging Handle with Black Friday coming up. I know the ACH isn't correct, but may trickle down as mentioned above. https://i.imgur.com/BKy0aYN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5ruLCgK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bcdb3sc.jpg Yup! I recognize that rail and those panels! Build looks great and I'm glad you were able to put the rail to use. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 10:00:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tripleu:
The start of a new project. Initially I was going to do a Block I/1.5, but I found a FSP RIS II for cheap. However, the seller of the FSP was having issues and wasn't able to get the rail on time but thankfully I got a standard RIS II thanks to @871JZ. Didn't want to spend the money on a 4 prong, and I already had a Warcomp laying around. Plans are to get a KAC front sight and KAC rear sight to replace the Matech. I also need a light (either M600 or M952V) and possibly a Geissele Airborne Charging Handle with Black Friday coming up. I know the ACH isn't correct, but may trickle down as mentioned above. https://i.imgur.com/BKy0aYN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5ruLCgK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bcdb3sc.jpg
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Posted: 11/22/2018 1:23:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I like it! Especially considering supposed location |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 1:39:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tripleu:
Thanks! Currently, the gun has a special mag lock (see the bolt catch is slightly different) which only allows the mag to be released with the receivers split open. I am hoping to move next year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tripleu:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I like it! Especially considering supposed location |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 3:41:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
[#33]
$35 Matechs at SAC today.
CAGE marked charging handles in stock, and $100 Colt bcgs rest of November. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 4:41:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
$35 Matechs at SAC today.
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Posted: 11/23/2018 5:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
They're that price all the time on ebay Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
$35 Matechs at SAC today. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 9:20:36 PM EDT
[#36]
$2 fde ergo rail ladder 3 packs
https://www.cdnnsports.com/picatinny-rail-cover-low-profile-fde-ergo-3-pack.html#.W_ik_KRMHYU |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 4:21:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2018 5:55:23 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
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Posted: 11/26/2018 7:12:35 AM EDT
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Swapped out 4 new uppers for 4 shot out uppers. Just broke them down, cleaned them in the solvent tank and staging for rebuild.
 Attached FileInstead of busting my allen wrenches and since my heat gun went tits up trying to remove the gas blocks (usually non reusable anyway). Just cut the shot out barrels to remove the barrel nut. About 15-20 seconds with the portable bandsaw.  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 12:20:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Cut down FSB and installed low profile gas blocks (FYI, manual calls them gas cylinders) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-746230.JPG CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6: Get to clonin', boys! Back in 2011 timeframe one of our guys asked the armorer to cut down his FSB leaving the big hole in the top of the rail; once others saw his, they wanted theirs shaved down, too. I wonder if anyone ever cloned an FSP rail-non FSB barrel? Seen in the wild! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5652_jpg-746230.JPG CD 
@Combat_Diver what low profile gas block did you use? Also, how did you cut down the FSB exactly? |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 12:34:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Swapped out 4 new uppers for 4 shot out uppers. Just broke them down, cleaned them in the solvent tank and staging for rebuild. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5955_jpg-751380.JPG Instead of busting my allen wrenches and since my heat gun went tits up trying to remove the gas blocks (usually non reusable anyway). Just cut the shot out barrels to remove the barrel nut. About 15-20 seconds with the portable bandsaw. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5956_jpg-751382.JPG CD |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 12:56:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR: May have to clone this
@Combat_Diver what low profile gas block did you use? Also, how did you cut down the FSB exactly? NSN 1005-01-597-1170 Its the same for the Mk12 gas block that everyone calls a DD Mk12 gas block but I've never seen their cage code on them. Have never seen any identifying marks on them either. Take the band saw to the upper arms of the FSB and cut off. Trim off the bayonet lug and sling studs. Use grinder to round edges down. Then cold blue the exposed metal. Use taper pins to secure back to barrel.  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:08:00 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Cylinder, Gas Gun Cage Code 9K646, Coronet Machinery Corp in Bethel CT NSN 1005-01-597-1170 Its the same for the Mk12 gas block that everyone calls a DD Mk12 gas block but I've never seen their cage code on them. Have never seen any identifying marks on them either. Take the band saw to the upper arms of the FSB and cut off. Trim off the bayonet lug and sling studs. Use grinder to round edges down. Then cold blue the exposed metal. Use taper pins to secure back to barrel. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5957_jpg-751575.JPG CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By JAR-SPR: May have to clone this
@Combat_Diver what low profile gas block did you use? Also, how did you cut down the FSB exactly? NSN 1005-01-597-1170 Its the same for the Mk12 gas block that everyone calls a DD Mk12 gas block but I've never seen their cage code on them. Have never seen any identifying marks on them either. Take the band saw to the upper arms of the FSB and cut off. Trim off the bayonet lug and sling studs. Use grinder to round edges down. Then cold blue the exposed metal. Use taper pins to secure back to barrel. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5957_jpg-751575.JPG CD So you used either cut down FSB or Mk12 gas block? What was the deciding factor between the 2? |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:25:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR: Thanks! So you used either cut down FSB or Mk12 gas block? What was the deciding factor between the 2? CD |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:01:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Man you really did a number on that ATPIAL-C retention screw. Best send to me for safekeeping 
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:05:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
It doesn’t even have labels or the illuminator cover anymore. Looks pretty much like my issued one did after a couple of years. https://i.imgur.com/7eBnCeM.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Man you really did a number on that ATPIAL-C retention screw. Best send to me for safekeeping https://i.imgur.com/7eBnCeM.jpg |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:37:27 PM EDT
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What are the acceptable weapon lights these days?
I see that the WMX200 isn’t really available anymore, and I’d like to use something correct-ish. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556:
What are the acceptable weapon lights these days? I see that the WMX200 isn’t really available anymore, and I’d like to use something correct-ish. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:39:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
The Incandescent M3X in tan (weak ass light output-wise.) or any Surefire Scout. (The wise choice) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
What are the acceptable weapon lights these days? I see that the WMX200 isn’t really available anymore, and I’d like to use something correct-ish. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:10:56 PM EDT
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I really prefer a RISII FSP setup, but shaving it and saving some front end weight is not only practical but tactical. It's funny to hear cloners complain about the guns being ugly and not refined enough in the wild.
 God help us..
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