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Posted: 8/28/2005 3:34:06 PM EDT
I've been kidding myself that I haven't been getting sand blaster by my AR. I'm finally ready to consider a gas buster.
Is it worth it? Are there more than one type? Which one should I get? Where should I get it? How much should it cost? Many thanks! Bomber PS If there are any typos it's because I can't see  |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 3:42:11 PM EDT
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Nay. Run a bead of silicon along your $20 charging handle and spend the money on practice ammo. |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 3:50:28 PM EDT
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I like my Gasbuster CH. I've heard about the silicone trick, but have yet to try it.
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Posted: 8/28/2005 3:57:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for the candor. Can you give me a little more detail? Bomber PS This is going to come accross as gratuitous but, Your customer service is excellent. I bought a decked out SPR upper from you last summer. |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 3:59:07 PM EDT
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I wouldn't buy the complete Gas Buster carry handle but I always equip my ARs with the PRI Big Latch. Yes, it does nothing to divert gases away from my face but it does make it easier to charge the weapon.
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Posted: 8/28/2005 4:33:26 PM EDT
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I hope the upper shot well. 
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Posted: 8/28/2005 4:38:03 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes...I have them on my weapons and prefer the heavier construction as well as the latch, as well as the gas diversion.
ADCO's suggestions looks like a good gas diversion method, but I have seen too many bent charging handles in my short time shooting. |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:03:48 PM EDT
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I think it's a good buy. I used one during our Blackwater course. Now I need two more.
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:08:45 PM EDT
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Mine do not divert gas as one would hope.
They do handle noticeably better. They do not wear the latch recess in the lower like some. These are very well made. |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:36:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:39:29 PM EDT
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Ditto! The Military Latch is the CHIT and they are much stronger and better made than your standard CH. I have seen to many bent and cracked CH's to ever go back. C4 |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:43:35 PM EDT
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I thought the standard CH with a PRI Big Weenie was good enough until someone showed me Push-Pull-Rack-Roll. Then I realized that a stronger charging handle actually serves a purpose. I'll likely never need that procedure in real life, only in my commando wannabee life, but if I ever do need it, knowing that the Gas Buster is there will make me fell better about it, anyway. I have them installed on the rifles that matter.
If you have gas issues, it may help there also, but if that's all you have, the silicone works very well. |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:51:14 PM EDT
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I guess I'm the only one whose never seen a bent/cracked charging handle. Whats actually bending/breaking? |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:55:18 PM EDT
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Silicone works great, but add a thin strip of storm-door weatherproffing for even more protection against backblast.
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Posted: 8/28/2005 5:57:45 PM EDT
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At Blackwater there were two in our one class. At a machinegun shoot in the spring there was another one. At a AR15.com shoot in the previous fall another shooter had one bent up from stuck brass. I have seen the actual handle torqued over so that pulling the handle out was so difficult that it took two grown men and some mechanical impliments. To me, three charging handles being bent in my short time shooting AR's is "too many". I've also heard secondhand of a couple more. Since I have bad luck, I'll go with hefty parts in this application. Just me.... 
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Posted: 8/28/2005 6:00:18 PM EDT
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You should change your name to "bad luck!"  C4 |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 6:37:51 PM EDT
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1. I have a Suppressed upper that blows copious amounts of gas back into my face
2. Got tired and sent $90.00 to Wes @ MSTN- received PRI Gas Buster the next day 3. Shot it today, unsuppressed- started having a few FTF issues (I haven't cleaned this upper for about 2000 rounds) and squirted CLP (large amount) into the upper and pulled the trigger. 4. This normally results in a spray of Excss CLP and smoke into my face: It didn't here. The PRI Gas Buster Rocks! It does what they say it will do and it does it well! |
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Posted: 8/28/2005 6:41:47 PM EDT
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the silicone trick looks intresting but isnt the gas buster beefier at the bottom too?
the storm weatherstripping doesnt look to strudy  i havent had no problems with the std. charging handle with the pri latch, there has been a few instances after about 1-2k of shooting in one sitting where it would start blowing gas in my face but its not bad enough to warrant the need of the gasbuster. one day soon i might feel the need 
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Posted: 8/28/2005 9:41:09 PM EDT
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OK, so I am about to get a piston upper so gas in the face is not an issue. Would you sell the Gas Buster and get a standard charging handle with PRI latch if you were me and use the extra money on ammo or would you keep the Gas Buster because its stronger and wider than regular even if you will never need the gas busting feature?
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Posted: 8/28/2005 11:44:48 PM EDT
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if you already have it then keep it. but if you plan on getting one then dont. me personally if i had one already i would keep it for future builds if gas in the face is not a problem. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 2:53:13 AM EDT
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Or you could just sell it to me  .
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:06:40 AM EDT
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You could start you own thread and not hijack mine. I'm looking for advise on wether to get one or not. Now if your recommending I buy one and yours is for sale, then that is another story. Bomber |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:16:54 AM EDT
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I've done it to all my ARs...It's so rugged, I'd consder it overkill. the silicone and weatherstrip is waterproof, & holds up to everything including Hoppes, simple green, etc. I'm not saying it'll last forever, but it has lasted me the past 4 1/2 months...with no signs of wear and tear. It's not exactly an area with a lot of moving parts. Other than to chamber my first round, I don't really touch my CH. (unless I shoot Wolf  )
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Posted: 8/29/2005 3:25:58 AM EDT
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No keep it! It is a more robust CH and will take a higher level of abuse. C4 |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 5:01:27 AM EDT
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I think I will keep mine as I regretted selling the last one. I reccomend getting one as it works to reduce (not eliminate) crap in your face. I still cry with a suppressor from gas but oil and crap does not fly into my eyes or glasses. Its significantly wider at the handle (not just the latch) and easier to grab. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:25:20 AM EDT
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I dremeled my stock CH so that it has similar gas grooves as the gas buster, sans the CH latch. So far I haven't experienced any "powder" in the face.
I'd get the gas buster if the whole package were $30 or less. $90 is an exorbitant price. |
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:00:52 AM EDT
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Bro, I have two of these, you know why I run them. You can borrow one for a while if you'd like, see if its worth your money............Udog
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Posted: 8/29/2005 9:23:39 AM EDT
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Tag for reference on caulking/weatherstripping... Those qualify as Honey-Do's don't they?
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Posted: 8/30/2005 8:59:06 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mind borrowing one although I am still going to try the caulk method. It's the DIY side of me. Bomber |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:14:30 AM EDT
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I've got them on both mine and they will be on any other one i build aswell.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 9:39:25 AM EDT
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Interesting... how exactly did you make this modification ? Pictures ? |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:06:53 AM EDT
[#31]
yea
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Posted: 8/30/2005 10:12:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Buy one- you won't be sorry. They feel great in your hand when charging the weapon, they work very well at keeping gas out of your face (especially suppressed), and they're robust. Worth every penny.
Josh |
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:15:47 AM EDT
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Yea. Even if you are not using a suppresor I reccomend them...cause I did get gas in my face with my old Colt upper.
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Posted: 8/30/2005 11:58:49 AM EDT
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I'll buy it I have a M4-2000 on the way and will need this. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 5:01:16 PM EDT
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There may be another alternative to the gas buster showing up soon, a manufacturer is sending me his prototype for testing and feedback, and with his permission, I'll post the results. That'll also give me a reason to learn to post pics.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 5:38:11 PM EDT
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Tag because of Tigers post about a new item
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:06:07 PM EDT
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Ill host pics for ya, my cost is 1 prototype CH .....Just kiding ill host for free,.... But,if the manufactor needs another beta tester I have an M4-2000 and 11.5" ARETA:I also own PRI gasbusters, so I could do a good comparison write up/ evaluation. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:36:29 PM EDT
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I already suggested to him that since I only have semi, that He should have some full auto test the device, He agreed, and said He has a couple of friends willing to do just that. Wish I could say more, but I'll let the manufacturer do the talking if and when he decides the product meets his standards.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:49:06 PM EDT
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No prob, Pic hosting offer is still good if you need it..........Udog
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Posted: 9/1/2005 7:14:07 AM EDT
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Tag! I'm in Nebraska and could assist in the testing
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Posted: 9/2/2005 9:28:40 AM EDT
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metroplex - do you have pictures of the dremeled area on the CH?
Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 10:05:50 AM EDT
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I agree with this assessment as well. The Military Big Latch is an excellent addition without the conspicuousness of something like the Tac-Latch. I have not found that my PRI Gasbuster makes much of a difference, but then again I haven't shot my M4 suppressed either. Stephen |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 12:12:37 PM EDT
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Ya, I've got to see this. |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 12:25:26 PM EDT
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Ok, Mongo...
What is the "Push-Pull-Rack-Roll Tecnique"? |
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Posted: 9/2/2005 12:38:36 PM EDT
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Malfunction clearance procedure. Push the magazine up into the magwell. Pull down to ensure it is seated. With your off hand, rack the charging handle back all the way. Roll the rifle to the ejection port side to allow anything loose to fall out the ejection port. Release the charging handle. |
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Posted: 9/8/2005 10:39:52 AM EDT
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+1 I have never seen a Colt or BM bend, but have seen a few of the "cheap" off brands get tweaked. |
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Posted: 9/8/2005 11:28:46 AM EDT
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Since the gas tube fits inside the CH and is shielded by the CH shaft, there is very little gas that escapes from the top. Therefore, the silicone or O-ring trick doesn't stop much escaping gas. The majority of gas blow back comes from the bottom of the charging handle. The Gas Buster CH sits lower on the bottom and has a channel to re-direct the gases. It is most effective with suppressed AR's or AR's with a Krinkov FH but certainly works better than your standard CH.
Just my .02 MadDog 
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Posted: 9/8/2005 2:33:13 PM EDT
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Very interesting. Are there detailed instructions on the caulk method? |
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Posted: 9/21/2005 10:59:50 PM EDT
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Revived this thread to give some more info on the new product I hinted about. The manufacturer is selling it in Equipment Exchange (NFA section). Thread is something like "Battle-cloth Blast Shield for suppressed AR's.
The concept is simple, but it works very well for casual plinking or target shooting. I'm using both the carbine and rifle version, and am very happy with the results, no more gas or powder particles blowing into my eyes from the CH, it REALLY makes it easier to keep my eyes open while shooting from the bench to see the hits through the scope. Sorry no link to EE, could someone do that? BTW, Steve is a great guy to work with...He built a pistol holster with special modifications for me, that is just plain fantastic! |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 3:24:39 AM EDT
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I shot my AAC M4-2000 for the first time last weekend. I was using a Gas Buster. Although it was much better than a standard CH, I still got a TON of gas and CLP in my face. I'm going to try different dry lubes (I use BreakFree CLP right now) to see if I can get any improvement.
(Hint - to link to another thread just go to that thread and copy the URL info from the Address line on your browser. Then in a post type the following, except reverse the brakets (i.e. replace my ] braket with the [ braket  ).]url=www.ar15.com/forums/manageReply.html?b=3&f=118&t=248409&page=2[ thread ]/url[ It will look like this: thread |
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