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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:26:50 PM EDT
I'm considering one of the ballistically useless but retro tactical 11.5/5.5 setups with the collapseable stock. Anyone still have one of these? How bout with some period optics like the old colt fixed 4x? Hell even some modern optics and any other stuff on em. I dont have any idea why but I really like the old style stuff alot better than the newer M4gery stuff.
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I do not really like the idea of wasted barrel and "retro tactical"ness but, one set up like the period XM with a 4x Colt scope would be pretty cool.
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Anybody remember the site of the guy who sells authentic styled XM's and related stuff?
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I carried one many years ago in the AF. Just nostalgic I guess and with the sunset and all I can finally have one......and an SP1 style rifle too. |
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Ive got one... Its a blast to shoot.. literally.. Big ass fireball!!
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How bad is accuracy at, say, 100 yards?
I'm getting a cheap 11.5/5.5 upper soon.... how bad can it be? In terms of velocity and fragmentation... NOT a concern... its a plinker! - BG |
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I'll post pics of my 10.5" if the photoserver comes back to life...
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Hmm, I'd have thought more folks would have an old school CAR here. I havent been in very many (exactly zero) gunfights with my ARs so the velocity/fragmentation loss is inconsequential to me.
My ideal plinker/trunk/truck/fun rifle here will be 11.5/5.5 A1/SP1 slickside upper Colt fixed 4x, and 20 round mags. No add ons, no lights, no lasers, no flip up anything, just a plain old CAR. |
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i will have pics come sat. i pick mine up from cmmg then. i will also post range report. it will be used in or modcc shoot this weekend. im going give my m4 a rest. Ronald
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i have to agree with Mr45auto, i have a 10.5, but i prefer a fixed A1 stock,
runs fine, BIG fireball, and is deadly to milk jugs at 100 yds lots of fun rc |
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Well, I don't care too much what the negatives are, but COOL factor is DEFINITELY enough reason to buy a gun. These things are eat up with COOL!!
Doc |
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OK Fine. Since noone is going to ask- my barrel is 16.1" and the Flash Supressor is for looks only- exactly what most of you are interested in anyway. About one inch of the FS extends past the threaded barrel so that the slots will function.
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you are looking for this
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I don't understand the coolness factor in an 10.5 inch barrel with a permanant 5.5 inch flash suppressor. I mean why? Can somebody explain it to me? How is it any cooler than a 14.5 inch barrel with a Phantom/Vortex or extended birdcage suppressor or a 16 inch barrel with any flash suppressor? I mean you've still got a long tube coming out of your rifle that has to be a minimum of 16 inches either way. Might as well put it to use.
Now if you go the SBR route, that's COMPLETELY different. Cool "little" gun btw Gunbert. |
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Why should anyone have to explain anything to you? People build what they want, period. I have always like the old XM type CAR rifles. When the ban was sunsetting I said what the hell. I think it will make an awsome beater, behind the seat, close work rifle. What the hells wrong with that? |
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JosephR, is that a slip on 5.5 flash hider , about 4" slips on before it gets to the threads ? I asking because I was thinking of getting one of those . Is it a prob to install ? Thx.
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JosephR- That's what I thought you meant...Can you give a little more info on bbl, FH etc. I'm looking at the BM, but trying to decide between HB and light bbl.
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Yeah, I guess there's no reason to share ideas and discuss/debate different sides of things. Never mind the fact that I didn't say "what is the justification for such a thing." I asked why people thought it looked cool and further added that I thought 11.5 inch barrels looked cool, but not when they have a very long flash suppressor on them. |
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I just assembled an EVIL 16" collapseable stock pencil bbl carbine and it looks goofy as hell. I think a 5.5 slipover FH would make it look alot better. hmmm...... the older setup just looks better. I think with the slipover FH I'll have the best of both, longer bbl with shorter look. Of course, I really need to build the old XM177 for real while the ban is dead. I'll buy the sp1slickside with 11.5/5.5. I might need help finding an early style lower to work with and of course a real Colt fixed 4x ot go with it. I wonder if any old SP1 carbines will be reasonably priced now that ban is dead.....
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Damnit, every time you guys post pics like this I think about getting a XM177 kit rather than a 16 inch M4 kit.
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M4 looks kinda ADU next to the old XM177's. This is unless the M4 is well accessorized. Plain jane the XM is it, every time.
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What's ADU? |
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all dolled up? all done up? take your pic. |
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sweeeeeeeet. that looks like one of my builds from awhile back. |
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Sweet pic there Gunslinger, btw ADU=All Dicked Up.
M4guy that is a nice setup, I like the A1 sights with the rifle. There's alot of great looking setups shown here, the rig with the RRA handle looks sweet as well. Of course the lil 10.5 is badass too. The problem with this website and posting pics is that I always see new configurations I simply must have/build. I'm up to 4 ARs and plan at least 4 more, damn near each day I see another one I'd like to have. I'm suffering severe BRD. |
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The barrel is supposedly a barrel that Olympic Sold way back when ... It's 16.1" long and that is all I know. I haven't been able to figure out what the twist is or if it is lined- it probably isn't chrome lined. It's a pencil barrel from what people say... BM=Bushmaster? They make two versions of a barrel with a similar Flash hider? IceMan_1: yes, about 4" of is slides over the barrel. It is not hard to install. It came installed on the barrel and it wasn't until I tried twisting it really hard with my hands that I found out it was removable and that the barrel was NOT a skimpy 11.5". For awhile, I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep it on or not- once I dedided on the YHM FF handguard. I really like the looks of it and had no way of knowing how well it supressed flash. I decided I just HAD to have something else so I bought a 5g phantom (break version). The best part of this barrel is that I can install, remove, and install another FH as many times as I want without breaking any laws. I don't know if you can see the FH enough in my pic to see that it has NO other machining on it besides the slots in the end. There are no Rings around the rear or flattened sides for using a wrench. I really do understand why they would have developed a 11.5" barrel, but not whey they'd at another 5.5" of "moderator" to control the noise. But then again, it was 4" shorter than the M16 rifles back in the 70's. |
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Awfully Damn Ugly ? |
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Thx JosephR , appreciate the info, I'll have to get one of those .
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I have decided I have to have a flattop so my 11.5/5.5 upper is available for trade or sale in the trade forum if anyone is interested.
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if you can find them. I'm not sure if they are made anymore or not. good news is that when I get the 14.5" ban-style M4 cmmg barrel that i traded for comes in and i'm successful at removing the miculek and getting my phantom installed, I might be putting my barrel up for sale. |
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ask the guy posting This Thread for pictures. His might be just like mine.
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is that your $2500 rifle?
i didn't know barret was making anything over 2cm. have this guys give me a jingle. i'm in search of something that can fire the 86mm rounds i've been reloading. |
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Yep, all joking aside that is my XM177.
Going to the Gunshow this weekend, maybe the Yellow Beret will be there & give me a lead on the 86mm stuff! |
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