Here is a Sneak Peak of it while testing. I am shooting a 16" AR.308 with M80 at 400 yards and some close work. The reticle has proven amazingly effective giving you the tools to be fast up close and very accurate further out. It is illuminated but is not battery dependent and goes black when turned off.Using the big illuminated horse shoe from 0-50 I find me self snap shooting at stuff like never before, I am able to transition from target to target very fast . I am using the small horseshoe for 50-200 increasing my speed again.We also included a 1Moa dot allowing you to be very accurate. At medium range, Auto Range and accurate BDC provide you with very fast and accurate fire on target. Hint the name ACSS CQB-M "M" for medium range.




http://www.primaryarms.com/Primary-Arms-2-5X-Compact-Scope-PAC2-5X-p/pac2.5x.htm














Dimitri

ACSS CQB-S 1X prism sight in the future? (I know Burris has one launching soon.)

I'm looking forward to the 4X. It'd be even cooler if you guys made some in FDE too. Or maybe a lightweight model with no illumination but have the etched reticle painted a very bright red. Either way, bravo! You guys are doing good things.

Thank you for your input.

Dimitri

Apologies if this has been asked and I haven't seen:

Are these adjustable for eyepiece focus?  the pictures I cannot tell with the flipups installed but it almost didn't look like it.

yes there is a rear focus


Dimitri

How does the 2.5x compare to the old 3x size wise?  Looks like it is a bit smaller or at least more compact.

In. Looks interesting. These are .308 and 5.56 specific?

Yes its more compact

Dimitri

It matches up with 5.56mm M193/M855 some .223   7n6 5.45x39  M80 in 7.62X51mm and some .308 loads.
We provide instructions on the fps and loads recommended.

Dimitri

Do you have an ETA on these yet?

Should be here soon 2-4 weeks

Dimitri

quick question.

will this sight work well with a fixed front sight?  Probably a stupid question.

Thanks in advance

That's a good question. Yes  it shows up and you use it as an aiming point. It really increases accuracy for me.


Dimitri

Thanks for your reply.  Great pic! Exactly what I was looking for.


Bill

Your welcome

Dimitri

Definitely wanting to try this little scope....

Should not be long

Dimitri

What is the parallax set at?

100 yards


Dimitri

Got my notice it was in stock just now.  So ordered one.  If this product is what I think it is, it's underpriced and will be $50 more in about 2 months.

And if it sucks... well, you'll hear about it!

Pay attention to the EE - if I like it, you'll be seeing a used XPS2 w/a 2.5X multiplier on a LaRue mount going up!

It works it a tough like scope we ran it on a .308 for a while never lost 0. The reticle has proven very effective!. Snap shooting is very easy and the ranging, leads and BDC are on.
There is video of it on youtube under ACSS 2.5

Dimitri

That wasn't long at all....

Thanks!  And props to your shipping group,  it is already on the way.   You know,  I didn't order the anti  reflection shield with it.   Now I'm thinking I want that too (not that I need it,  but it looks really cool! ).  Do you sell those separate,  

At first I reasoned that since you are in Texas you should be getting yours before anyone else....but then I remembered just how big that state is and how long it takes to drive
from the east end to the west end and from the gulf to the OK border.......

It might be actually be a shorter from Primary Arms,TX to WI

It showed up today.

This thing is Bad Ass!  

First, I love the design philosophy.  What I am replacing is the EOTech + multiplier concept.  One of those concepts that sounded great and looked good in the magazines.  But in practice, I never took off the multiplier, so it was just a cumbersome 2 component system I could do in 1.  

So simplify - and go with a 3X sized power scope.  I already decided I didn't want variable power.  For low power optics, I prefer just keeping it simple and going fixed.  So, that leaves your classic tube style optic, which isn't what I was looking for, or a Trijicon style optic.  I like Trijicon.  I could probably even afford one.  But for my world, $1200 for a 3 or 4X scope is absurd. So, considered Chinese knock-offs.  Eventually gave up on that, since I realized they were - Chinese Knock-offs.  There are a lot of silly tacticool junk items out there.  And they are very heavy.

Then I saw this little gem being promoted.  A $250 quality American piece of glass.  With a well thought out design, and reticle design.  At first I was unsure of the Koala of Death.  But we'll get to that.

So it came today.  Shipping was $7 - I appreciate being charged a reasonable shipping charge.

The box looks good.  Open it up, and it's packaged in some nice packing foam.  It's not a hard plastic box like EOTech comes in.  But then, I never used that EOTech box again.  But anyway, this is a nice box worth keeping - with good reusable foam insert.  It comes with 2 Allen wrenches (haven't figure that out yet - but then, I only got it a couple hours ago), a battery, and the scope, along with the removable mount.  And some spare screws.

First the mount - I like it!  It has a weight reduction design to it that I like.  I like the elevation it goes up to.

The scope exudes quality.  Good clean edges, good lines, it just looks well made.  

I mount the scope.  The thumb screws, aren't really.  so had to tighten with a wrench.  I'm cool with that, but my BUS is a has become questionable, since I can't deploy without tools to remove the scope.  It's OK though, I like the lower weight of these bolts anyway.

Put it on and look through, and the optical quality is fantastic.  I mean, it's only 2.5X, so it doesn't take much I guess - but really, it is some fantastic quality glass.

Now, to the reticle.  When reading up, I thought it was busy.  And that's true, it is busy.  

But, I swing the rifle around a few times looking through it, and you know... it really works.  It works good.  It's busy, but only busy in the finery.  So if you are doing a fine precision shot at 300 yards, yea, you are going to need a steady fine shot and good light to see your target anyway.  And with that setting, the dots show up just fine.  But if you are a hurry, the two tiered reflex approach is very interesting.  The larger outer ring is great for in-house quick snap shooting to close large things.  The finer horse-shoe looks great for shooting at objects 100 yards away very quickly, If you have more time, use the fine sighting dot.  But if you don't, you won't even see the fine sighting dot - but you will still hit in the short time you have.

I put in the battery and turned on the red illumination.  This is one spot that maybe needs an adjustment.  I found the lowest setting of the red illumintion to be bright inside my well-lit home.  As in, the correct level of intensity for that.  Which means in a darker setting, this is going to be too bright.  I would rather they had lower illumination settings, below 1.  When you take it up to 11 (Got to love a good sense of humor), it's crazy bright.  But hey, out on a desert in the summer sun, I bet that's just what you need - so that's good.

I also like that it comes with flip-up sight covers.  They do stick way up there when popped open, so be careful because such things break really easily in handling.  Not that it matters, easily replaced.  I would have preferred they went with clear covers, but that's not their product - the scope is.

I look forward to taking it to the range and trying this guy out.

Overall, I paid shy of $300 after taxes and shipping - and feel like I got a scope easily worth that.  Nobody wrote me back about ordering the anti-flash thing after the fact, but that's OK, I probably don't need it.

Sorry, NO. The box is clearly marked. This scope is made in the PRC.
I got mine today. I agree it is a nice optic. I will plan on getting another one.

Yes go under scope accessories


Dimitri

Good feedback!!

Here is a link to the killflash.

LINK

Not sure where the made in the USA came from. I wish we could but no way we could hit this price made here.

Well crap - so you are right.

Managed to take it to the range today.  34 degrees with rain.  Scope ran like a champ.  The horseshoe has a tidy bonus feature: when precision shooting on circular targets, your eye lines up the circles without even needing the aiming dot that much.  The scope really shined when you got away from the bench.  The low fixed power, big clear glass, and horseshoe reticles, were extremely effective when snap shooting.  All the busy aspects of the reticle go away and all you are noticing are the horse-shoe circles.  If you have time for a slow shot and some thought, it's easy to then notice all the other markings and reference items, and use them.  I like it, a lot more than I thought I would.  

On to zeroing the unit.  The instructions say use a 50 yard zero.  That's not quite the same as a 300 yard zero, though I do like the 50 yard zero better (personal favorite is 200 yard zero - we'll get to why in a second).

Mixed emotions on the bullet drop compensator.  Some questions:

-zero distance? (is it truely intended for 50 yard zero, or is it based on a 300 yard zero, and 50 yards was assumed to be close enough to that?)
- bullet weight and BC? (Assuming 62 gr ball with a G7 BC of 0.172?)
- Muzzle velocity (2800 fps?)
- Scope center line elevation above the bore axis? (2.875")

If I plug those items into a ballistic calculator, I get the following:

Distance__50 yd zero:_____300 yd zero:
50  yds = +0"_____________= +1.1"
100 yds= +1.7"___________= +3.9"
200 yds = +2"____________= +5.2"
300 yds = -6.9"____________= 0

So that's a  6.9 inch difference in impact location at 300 yards, between 50 and 300 yard zeros (even though instructions say use a 50 yard zero).  The 50 yard zero I can work with.  The 300 yard zero concept has never sat well with me.  With that zero, I'm zinging up to 4" high at 100 yards, and even higher at 150 yards.  So if I'm shooting at 6" steel plates, then I'm going over the top of the plates with a center hold - don't like that.  I prefer a 200 yard zero - as it keeps the point of impact within about 2" all the way from 25 yards out to 225 yard.  That yardage span is the vast majority of likely distances I shoot it.  By far.  But if I zero for 200 yards, the scope compensator will be off.

50 yard zero


300 yard zero


Anyway, that aside - great scope and really enjoyed shooting it.  I like it better than my EOTech and EOTech + Magnifier combo.  It's a great little scope.  One other suggestion - I printed up a reduced version of the reticle with the markings labeled on it, and taped it on the inside of my scope cover caps.  Might not be a bad idea to include such a sticker in the package.  The markings are complicated enough, that for someone who maybe only uses it once a year, the reference reminder right there when you pop the cap up, might be appreciated.

Dimitri will be along shortly to go into more detail but what you said about it being a better option than a red dot with magnifier is exactly what we were out to accomplish.  

M855 out of most AR will do 2950-3000 also set your sight height to 2.8" not 1.1
BC .158G7
With a 50 yard zero using the 1MOA dot
at 300 yards its drops about 1.54"MOA
So it will be 1.04 MOA short 3.12" at 300 yards.
3" low at 300 is very acceptable on center mass hits and best to share 1 aiming point from 0-300
M855 will have about a 2 MOA error and group around 6" at 300.
The BDC is right on. I am glad you like it! Having a red dot magnifier in one was the goal with 2.5X
Like you pointed out the reticle was made to be very fast upclose using the large horseshoe
Then from 100-300 the small horseshoe takes over increasing speed again. Auto range with BDC dots really come in handy past 300 yards.
What I noticed in testing besides the speed and accuracy increase is how tough these little scopes are!


Here is a video of it in action!

http://youtu.be/iq1jh_njvjg

Dimitri

I paced off the streetlights in my neighborhood today and sat in the darkened garage with the scope and ranged various landmarks.



The farthest I could see was right at 300 yards.  I walked out to the light pole and marked my height on it. (5'10").  I went back to the garage to the scope and the rangefinder was right on.



I'll try some longer distances but I'll have to dismount the scope from the rifle so I can sit on the porch without alarming the neighbors.

Hey that's a good Idea I might try that with my 1-6x

I'm going to echo most of the points raised earlier, with one quick note - illumination is not high enough to be truly usable in the sun.  Even at 11, it shows up as only "light red". And while you can use the black reticle at that point, you would need to spend extra time acquiring it against a busy background.  Is it a good sight? Yes - I like it.  Does it outperform RDS+magnifier in ALL situations? No.

As a side note, I would love to see PA continue to develop this line, and possibly introduce a "Premium" version with more features.

Also...will this be available with a AK-specific mount?  I realize you can technically attach it via picatilly rail side mounts, but that would put it too high.

It would leave you high on an AK but still works. With my AK74 it actually shot very well!

It will outperform any red dot that does not use BDC past 200 yards. Guessing how far the target is and guessing where to hold is just that, a guess. The ACSS will auto range and BDC much more accurate then a red dot with a magnifier. We are making hits 600 yards out! I can never do that with my Eotech..:(

Here I shoot 9-10 at 400 yards. Using a red dot ill be lucky to get 4-10 and would end up walking it in. Notice how my first shot was a hit. Its really hard to get a first round hit at 400 yards with a red dot. Also want to add the reticle illumination was off. I prefer it blk, as you can see I can double tap  and get on target very fast even with a .308. I get what your saying about seeing a bright dot but my problem with that is that if the battery fails then you have no aiming point unless your running cowitnessed. If the battery fails on the 2.5 its not a big deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1jh_njvjg


Dimitri

Dmitry,

Here is what Oleg Volk said:


Is that right - can you use low rings with this sight?  If so, which diameter?

I don't see how you would use rings with this.  Without the flat top mount it's machined to fit in an AR carry handle.

No way to use rings with the 2.5X but yest when you remove the base it slips right into a carry handle

Perhaps he was thinking about the 1-6. We do recommend lower rings with it and will work great on an AK74.
There is a 1-6 7.62x39/AAC300 in the works

Dimitri