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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:17:32 PM EDT
Hey all, I have a meeting coming up about planning ahead for future optics projects for our brand. If you've posted up "Hey, why don't you guys build a ..." in the past or if you have a really cool idea for an optics product, here's your chance! What is the product that doesn't exist right now, that you would want to buy with the Primary Arms name etched on the side.
And GO! 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2022 10:06:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Take the MD25's acss reticle and glass diameter but give it the push buttons / recessed caps of the advanced gen 2 red dot, then bump the glass quality to GLx level $300-400 price point.
I'd also debate the need of the dot holds, maybe allow the circle and hold dots be individually selectable on/off. and, of course, 507k ACSS vulcan. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/1/2022 4:16:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Something similar to the Elcan 1x/4x or 1x/6x . I love LPVOs but only the two extreme ranges are used. Also, when are you guys going to bring back the ACOGs?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/1/2022 6:07:40 PM EDT
[#3]
If it hasnt already been mentioned
SLX 1x and 3x microprisms with an Aimpoint micro footprint. |
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CZE
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Posted: 12/4/2022 7:02:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryArms: Stay tuned  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PrimaryArms: Originally Posted By gggplaya: I would like to see primary arms push the boundaries of small and lightweight LVPO's. I'd like to see a compact 1-6 and/or 1-4 depending on the weight and length. You could justify a 1-4 if it was small and light enough. The 1-6 would have to be an inch shorter than the 1-8. Stay tuned What's the time frame here? Thanks. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2022 9:49:58 PM EDT
[#5]
In my opinion the biggest hole in the optics market is a lightweight MPVO with modern features.
There's the Credo 2-10, but it lacks a Parallax adjustment. There's the NF 2.5-10, but it is SFP. There's the Athlon 2-12, but it is rather heavy. There's the SWFA ultralight, but it goes too far with compromises. The upcoming 1.5-15 FFP from March looks great, but it is still too heavy and $3000. I've tried a few of the above and my favorite is your GLx 2.5-10 Griffin Mil. However, while that optic is good, it is not good enough to capitalize on the huge potential of this market. Such optics would appeal primarily to AR-15 and AR-10 shooters looking to build a GPR, and utilizing an offset red dot. The ideal would be to have a red dot for 1X and an MPVO for everything else, ideally in a total package that doesn't weigh much more than a Razor 1-10, while offering both a better 1X (longer battery life, passive aiming, etc), and better for precision work (less optical compromises because less of a magnification range, parallax adjustment, etc). Unfortunately, there really isn't any optic market than can achieve this. The optic should aim to have the following features: -LIGHT WEIGHT. Ideally something like 20oz or even less. This is really the KEY feature that enables such an optic to make sense. -fast reticle on the lowest magnification, even with illumination off -parallax adjustment -30mm main tube (1" would save weight, but then would be stuck with using mounts that are either crappy or heavy) -FFP mil based grid/tree reticle -dialable mil turrets, or better yet the option for both capped and dialable turrets like in your PLxC 1-8 -low profile turrets and generally low profile, so a dot can be mounted as close to the optic body as possible. -Did I mention Light Weight? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2022 9:51:30 PM EDT
[#6]
Continuing my above post, since apparently Arfcom doesn't like low post count members writing whole damn essays
 :Other than the above, you could try anything and everything to cut weight. Some ideas: -omitting the fast focus eyepiece as seen on the SWFA ultralight would make sense. -smaller FoV, since the red dot will be used for most close/fast shots, and to initially index to the target before moving to the scope. -cutting the zero stop. -cutting illumination, though only if it saves significant weight. I'm thinking three optic groups: 1. A "diet" version of the current GLx 2.5-10, doing whatever is needed to cut another 3+ ounces. 2. A PLx offering in the 2-12 or 2.5-15 range. 3. This one is a little different, but an SLx 2-8 or 1.5-6 SFP with no illumination, like the SWFA ultralight, but 30mm. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 8:05:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xikteny]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: and, of course, 507k ACSS vulcan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: and, of course, 507k ACSS vulcan. It does exist! Originally Posted By xikteny: Holosun EPS Carry with an ACSS Vulcan reticle. Hopefully the fact that the 507k has now been made with an ACSS Vulcan reticle implies that the EPS Carry is coming one day.  |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 10:57:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: In my opinion the biggest hole in the optics market is a lightweight MPVO with modern features. There's the Credo 2-10, but it lacks a Parallax adjustment. There's the NF 2.5-10, but it is SFP. There's the Athlon 2-12, but it is rather heavy. There's the SWFA ultralight, but it goes too far with compromises. The upcoming 1.5-15 FFP from March looks great, but it is still too heavy and $3000. I've tried a few of the above and my favorite is your GLx 2.5-10 Griffin Mil. However, while that optic is good, it is not good enough to capitalize on the huge potential of this market. Such optics would appeal primarily to AR-15 and AR-10 shooters looking to build a GPR, and utilizing an offset red dot. The ideal would be to have a red dot for 1X and an MPVO for everything else, ideally in a total package that doesn't weigh much more than a Razor 1-10, while offering both a better 1X (longer battery life, passive aiming, etc), and better for precision work (less optical compromises because less of a magnification range, parallax adjustment, etc). Unfortunately, there really isn't any optic market than can achieve this. The optic should aim to have the following features: -LIGHT WEIGHT. Ideally something like 20oz or even less. This is really the KEY feature that enables such an optic to make sense. -fast reticle on the lowest magnification, even with illumination off -parallax adjustment -30mm main tube (1" would save weight, but then would be stuck with using mounts that are either crappy or heavy) -FFP mil based grid/tree reticle -dialable mil turrets, or better yet the option for both capped and dialable turrets like in your PLxC 1-8 -low profile turrets and generally low profile, so a dot can be mounted as close to the optic body as possible. -Did I mention Light Weight? Originally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: Continuing my above post, since apparently Arfcom doesn't like low post count members writing whole damn essays :Other than the above, you could try anything and everything to cut weight. Some ideas: -omitting the fast focus eyepiece as seen on the SWFA ultralight would make sense. -smaller FoV, since the red dot will be used for most close/fast shots, and to initially index to the target before moving to the scope. -cutting the zero stop. -cutting illumination, though only if it saves significant weight. I'm thinking three optic groups: 1. A "diet" version of the current GLx 2.5-10, doing whatever is needed to cut another 3+ ounces. 2. A PLx offering in the 2-12 or 2.5-15 range. 3. This one is a little different, but an SLx 2-8 or 1.5-6 SFP with no illumination, like the SWFA ultralight, but 30mm. All of this and with an ACSS crosshair mil-tree reticle option. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/15/2022 12:56:44 PM EDT
[#9]
The more I think on it the more I feel that something like an Elcan on a diet would be ideal. They've already got some great micro prisms, stick them in the same body and you've got something like a red dot+magnifier with an etched reticle, better magnification and a smaller form.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2022 7:56:21 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samwali: The more I think on it the more I feel that something like an Elcan on a diet would be ideal. They've already got some great micro prisms, stick them in the same body and you've got something like a red dot+magnifier with an etched reticle, better magnification and a smaller form. Yes. And the Specter DR patent would definitely have expired by now. |
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Posted: 12/17/2022 9:11:20 PM EDT
[#11]
1x and 6x IE elcan. As light weight and short as possible
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Posted: 12/18/2022 8:34:56 PM EDT
[#12]
Skip the 1x and do a 4x/8x Elcan-type with a top-mounted red dot option.
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Posted: 12/19/2022 1:39:46 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marex: Skip the 1x and do a 4x/8x Elcan-type with a top-mounted red dot option. That's actually a neat idea. I'd lean more towards a 2.5x/5x, or 2x/4x, but . . . |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2022 2:19:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: In my opinion the biggest hole in the optics market is a lightweight MPVO with modern features. There's the Credo 2-10, but it lacks a Parallax adjustment. There's the NF 2.5-10, but it is SFP. There's the Athlon 2-12, but it is rather heavy. There's the SWFA ultralight, but it goes too far with compromises. The upcoming 1.5-15 FFP from March looks great, but it is still too heavy and $3000. I've tried a few of the above and my favorite is your GLx 2.5-10 Griffin Mil. However, while that optic is good, it is not good enough to capitalize on the huge potential of this market. Such optics would appeal primarily to AR-15 and AR-10 shooters looking to build a GPR, and utilizing an offset red dot. The ideal would be to have a red dot for 1X and an MPVO for everything else, ideally in a total package that doesn't weigh much more than a Razor 1-10, while offering both a better 1X (longer battery life, passive aiming, etc), and better for precision work (less optical compromises because less of a magnification range, parallax adjustment, etc). Unfortunately, there really isn't any optic market than can achieve this. The optic should aim to have the following features: -LIGHT WEIGHT. Ideally something like 20oz or even less. This is really the KEY feature that enables such an optic to make sense. -fast reticle on the lowest magnification, even with illumination off -parallax adjustment -30mm main tube (1" would save weight, but then would be stuck with using mounts that are either crappy or heavy) -FFP mil based grid/tree reticle -dialable mil turrets, or better yet the option for both capped and dialable turrets like in your PLxC 1-8 -low profile turrets and generally low profile, so a dot can be mounted as close to the optic body as possible. -Did I mention Light Weight? I have been hoping for the same thing. I didn't jump on the 3-18x due to the weight. The Valdoda IOR 2-16x42 comes to mind but it weighs 30oz. Which is great compared to most scopes but it has a 35mm tube or the Trijicon Credo 2.5-15x which is 23oz. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2022 2:42:44 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marex: Skip the 1x and do a 4x/8x Elcan-type with a top-mounted red dot option. It is a good idea but for me, the beauty of the Elcan is how great the 1x works and how fast you flip between 4x and 1x. No need to break your cheek weld to flip to the side or raise your head up. That's why a red dot on top ACOG is a little outdated. I would prefer and LPVO than 4x/8x scope. Now if PA can get 1x/6x in a smaller footprint than the 1.5x:6x currently offered that would be great. They already make the best and smallest prism scope! |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 11:23:02 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toeheadAR: It is a good idea but for me, the beauty of the Elcan is how great the 1x works and how fast you flip between 4x and 1x. No need to break your cheek weld to flip to the side or raise your head up. That's why a red dot on top ACOG is a little outdated. I would prefer and LPVO than 4x/8x scope. Now if PA can get 1x/6x in a smaller footprint than the 1.5x:6x currently offered that would be great. They already make the best and smallest prism scope! A 45 degree offset doesn’t require you break your cheek weld. It’s also a lot faster to rotate your wrist than to flip the magnification, even an Elcan. But don’t take that as discouragement. Primary Arms should totally try to do it.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 2:53:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: A 45 degree offset doesn’t require you break your cheek weld. It’s also a lot faster to rotate your wrist than to flip the magnification, even an Elcan. But don’t take that as discouragement. Primary Arms should totally try to do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By toeheadAR: It is a good idea but for me, the beauty of the Elcan is how great the 1x works and how fast you flip between 4x and 1x. No need to break your cheek weld to flip to the side or raise your head up. That's why a red dot on top ACOG is a little outdated. I would prefer and LPVO than 4x/8x scope. Now if PA can get 1x/6x in a smaller footprint than the 1.5x:6x currently offered that would be great. They already make the best and smallest prism scope! A 45 degree offset doesn’t require you break your cheek weld. It’s also a lot faster to rotate your wrist than to flip the magnification, even an Elcan. But don’t take that as discouragement. Primary Arms should totally try to do it. Not as good on bullpups though :) Ok, ok, I'm weird. I get it :D |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2022 3:53:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Any plan for a 2.26” height mount for the 1x Microprism line? I’d love to be able to use a Unity FTC with my microprism, but the Unity Riser looks awful with the microprism on it. I’d love a one piece mount option that doesn’t look like dog poo.
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USA
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Posted: 12/23/2022 1:52:00 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toeheadAR: It is a good idea but for me, the beauty of the Elcan is how great the 1x works and how fast you flip between 4x and 1x. No need to break your cheek weld to flip to the side or raise your head up. That's why a red dot on top ACOG is a little outdated. I would prefer and LPVO than 4x/8x scope. Now if PA can get 1x/6x in a smaller footprint than the 1.5x:6x currently offered that would be great. They already make the best and smallest prism scope! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toeheadAR: Originally Posted By Marex: Skip the 1x and do a 4x/8x Elcan-type with a top-mounted red dot option. It is a good idea but for me, the beauty of the Elcan is how great the 1x works and how fast you flip between 4x and 1x. No need to break your cheek weld to flip to the side or raise your head up. That's why a red dot on top ACOG is a little outdated. I would prefer and LPVO than 4x/8x scope. Now if PA can get 1x/6x in a smaller footprint than the 1.5x:6x currently offered that would be great. They already make the best and smallest prism scope! Red dots on top are still great for night vision use. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 5:25:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 42tula]
[#20]
The PLx compact meter reticle LPVO to come back in stock and / or the TA31 ACSS Aurora Acog come back into production.
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Posted: 12/26/2022 10:36:23 AM EDT
[#21]
Following on the Elcan suggestions, how about a re-think of the Leupold D-Evo concept?
However, place the objective of the prism below the red dot, rather than offset. In essence, a design-specific, streamlined, prism optic with top-mounted red dot without the excessive height associated with standard piggy-back setups. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/26/2022 11:02:14 PM EDT
[#22]
Please have diopter adjustment if you are going to do anything Elcan'ish.
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USA
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Posted: 12/27/2022 9:22:45 PM EDT
[#23]
ETA on 5x Micro?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:05:13 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses06: ETA on 5x Micro? Yeah, I see Sig has a 5x micro magnifier out now. I'm guessing a possible common OEM, but who knows for sure. Could indicate the 5x prism sight is in the near future. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:10:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Just ordered the 5x micro mag. Heard good things.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2022 8:50:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses06: Just ordered the 5x micro mag. Heard good things. A 5x primary arms magnifier? |
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USA
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:04:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Sorry, no. The new sig 5x micro mag. Still patiently waiting for the PA 5x micro prism tho 😁
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IN, USA
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Posted: 12/31/2022 6:17:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses06: Sorry, no. The new sig 5x micro mag. Still patiently waiting for the PA 5x micro prism tho 😁 I have the 5x Juliet. I think it’s an excellent value. I was actually deciding between the Eotech G45 and the Juliet 5. I have no doubt that the G45 has superior glass quality, but the weight, size, and price of the Juliet 5 is outstanding. I’ve only had it for 2 weeks, but I’m happy with it. I still have no clue why Sig doesn’t acknowledge its existence. Seems like a missed marketing opportunity in my opinion. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2023 9:13:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: I have the 5x Juliet. I think it’s an excellent value. I was actually deciding between the Eotech G45 and the Juliet 5. I have no doubt that the G45 has superior glass quality, but the weight, size, and price of the Juliet 5 is outstanding. I’ve only had it for 2 weeks, but I’m happy with it. I still have no clue why Sig doesn’t acknowledge its existence. Seems like a missed marketing opportunity in my opinion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: Originally Posted By Moses06: Sorry, no. The new sig 5x micro mag. Still patiently waiting for the PA 5x micro prism tho 😁 I have the 5x Juliet. I think it’s an excellent value. I was actually deciding between the Eotech G45 and the Juliet 5. I have no doubt that the G45 has superior glass quality, but the weight, size, and price of the Juliet 5 is outstanding. I’ve only had it for 2 weeks, but I’m happy with it. I still have no clue why Sig doesn’t acknowledge its existence. Seems like a missed marketing opportunity in my opinion. If PA put an ACSS reticule in it, do you feel it would be a good sighting system? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2023 12:42:04 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: If PA put an ACSS reticule in it, do you feel it would be a good sighting system? It could be. I’d definitely consider it. I do think that it would need to follow the Vortex 5x Spitfire HD Gen 2’s cue and have an integrated mount for an RMR on top to be competitive. I know that’s how I would design it. |
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CZE
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Posted: 1/2/2023 7:10:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Regarding that lightweight LPVO, how many oz are we actually speaking of?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2023 7:12:34 PM EDT
[#32]
More ACSS ACOGs
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USA
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Posted: 1/3/2023 6:55:14 AM EDT
[#33]
I realize this is incredibly niche, but PA's take on integrated optics would be fun.
G36 scopes for the sl8 and Tom's "take" on the platform. A VHS2 Ct 1.5 optic that fits on US Hellions would be baller. |
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Posted: 1/3/2023 2:42:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: It could be. I’d definitely consider it. I do think that it would need to follow the Vortex 5x Spitfire HD Gen 2’s cue and have an integrated mount for an RMR on top to be competitive. I know that’s how I would design it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRAR15: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: If PA put an ACSS reticule in it, do you feel it would be a good sighting system? It could be. I’d definitely consider it. I do think that it would need to follow the Vortex 5x Spitfire HD Gen 2’s cue and have an integrated mount for an RMR on top to be competitive. I know that’s how I would design it. Every magnified prism optic should have an integrated system to top mount an RMR type RDS. I don't understand why Vortex understood this for the 5x but not the 3x; or why they're holding onto a non-rmr footprint. But of course PA appears stuck on the offset dots and ignoring top mounted as well. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 12:16:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Moses06]
[#35]
Got my sig micro 5x mag in. It's small, light, I like it. Hope PA can make their 5x prism with a little better eye relief tho. Totally usable, but tight.
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USA
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Posted: 1/4/2023 3:28:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Also just got in my 1-6 Gen III with the KISS reticle. Very, very impressed. I like it more than the FFP raptors I have tried out in the past. Good things from PA. Hope they keep getting better :D
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2023 8:53:50 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moses06: Got my sig micro 5x mag in. It's small, light, I like it. Hope PA can make their 5x prism with a little better eye relief tho. Totally usable, but tight. https://i.imgur.com/6KcfkNlh.jpeg That's baller. Is that an ACSS Holosun? |
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USA
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Posted: 1/9/2023 9:51:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Not sure about y’all but I am really excited to see the announcements tomorrow!
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Posted: 1/10/2023 2:27:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Strikefirst]
[#39]
Bring back the combat rails...went to order a 15" and found out there discontinued. Looking at a patrol now...
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:19:14 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: That's baller. Is that an ACSS Holosun? Getting close! |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 4:22:22 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strikefirst: Bring back the combat rails...went to order a 15" and found out there discontinued. Looking at a patrol now... Absolutely agree. 15" CMT rail for $80 on sale was unbeatable. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:37:39 PM EDT
[#42]
Ugh. No piggy back on the 5x prism? I am disappointed.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 6:42:01 PM EDT
[#43]
Scopes with integrated mounts like the Vcog.
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Posted: 1/10/2023 11:08:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Ugh. No piggy back on the 5x prism? I am disappointed. Yea. They kinda missed the mark there. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/11/2023 5:53:52 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: Yea. They kinda missed the mark there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Ugh. No piggy back on the 5x prism? I am disappointed. Yea. They kinda missed the mark there. Hopefully it’s a standard size objective so that a standard red dot scope ring can be used. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 12:52:28 PM EDT
[#46]
Looks like some decent stuff coming out
SLX 1-6 with daylight bright reticle- Bet they sell a ton of these is price is similar to current SLX 1-6 options SLX and GLX binos are something i have seen people aske for Auto-Live battery cap is neat Dont like the DPP footprint on the RS-15, wonder why not RMR 5x micro prism as they said New Products |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:09:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By everready73: Looks like some decent stuff coming out SLX 1-6 with daylight bright reticle- Bet they sell a ton of these is price is similar to current SLX 1-6 options SLX and GLX binos are something i have seen people aske for Auto-Live battery cap is neat Dont like the DPP footprint on the RS-15, wonder why not RMR 5x micro prism as they said New Products Yep.. PA, please come out with a RS-15 that uses the RMR footprint! |
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USA
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Posted: 1/11/2023 9:16:00 PM EDT
[#48]
Nova Reticle and FO illuminated MPVO at 20oz.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:34:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: hoody2shoez]
[#49]
What about a prism with a built in closed emitter RDS up top? I'd be interesting to see a complete unit from the factory that doesn't require base plates, mounting platforms, for tracking down unobtainium rds
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Posted: 1/12/2023 3:28:13 AM EDT
[#50]
New gen of cyclops with 1/4 moa adjustment.
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