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Posted: 2/9/2020 6:32:16 PM EDT
PSA,
You killed it at SHOT this year. You have so many exciting projects on the horizon it is not only impossible to ignore you, but it actually makes folks nervous that you will screw it up- that's because we are all extremely hopeful that you will succeed in pulling it off. Bandwidth is limited in any size organization, and resources will need to be divided between alllll these different projects. I want to urge you that when the time comes to allocate scarce resources... and tough decisions need to be made... cut one of the projects designed to compete with an already-available better-weapon from an OEM-source on price, and THROW IN EXTRA BEHIND THE JAKL. This is something truly unique and exciting from you guys. It has a lot of potential. If you don't screw it up or "Gen"-it-out, it will be a must have like a CZ Scorpion. That being said I wanted to separate the JAKL from the $300 generic Glock thread (aren't real Glocks about $400 all over the country?) and get some discussion going separately. Very bad ideas are starting to seep into that thread, as with twist rate, and smart decisions need to be made. So here are my unsolicited good ideas: TWIST RATE - should be 1:8 in .300 BLK, and should be 1:7 in 5.56. GAS SETTINGS - should be un-suppressed, suppressed super, suppressed sub, and OFF. Don't miss out on the opportunity to take advantage of your main-thing-here. HAND GUARD - Just run it as a monolithic extrusion, complete with the receiver. Don't make a separate plastic hand guard. Separate receiver and hand guard would only make sense if you were going for something modular- and it has been said different receivers for different calibers. LOWER RECEIVER - I see two designs using pistons, not in need of a buffer, and both using AR-15 lug distance for compatibility. Both are using gap-plate spacer doohickeys to blend it in to the rear. These are the BRN-180 and the JAKL. BRN-180M receiver has the built in 1913 rail. Can you use that? Call them up- they'll even put your name on the side. THE DOOHICKEY - just have it as an add-on in a drop down for folks who buy the upper and want to mount it to an existing SBR'd lower. THE STOCK - I dig the triangle folder and I know why you did it. It looks like it was the right length for something with a shorter receiver or closer hinge though. I'd call SBT and see if they can take an inch or two off. Here are my bad ideas that should be ignored: MODULARITY - Imagine if it had a MRP-ish barrel change? If you could locate the port in the same spot and size it correctly for each caliber, you could use the same everything-else. ENHANCED CONTROLS - What else can you guys do to further differentiate the JAKL... maybe drop a Norgon-ish ambi catch, Maritime-ish BHO, and ambi selector in with them? With your buying power, you could do this cheap. |
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Originally Posted By roninsan: I have the 13.7" and when I read about the mag-drag issue, I went and got mine and checked it. Unless I'm doing it wrong, I had no issues with the mag dragging. I only checked it with Pmags, and only a couple so I don't know if mine is just clearanced properly or what. Interesting issue. View Quote What lower receiver. It could be as simple as a batch of Jakl lowers with the mag catch slot too high |
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Originally Posted By Just10mm: @PalmettoStateArmory I may have missed it, if so I apologize. Are there written instructions for the new 8 position gas block including disassembly available? Thank you I have a 5.56 14.5 upper, recently delivered. The mag drag issue discussed on this page of the thread is real and you may want to have your peeps take a look at it. P-mags are a no go. Aluminum gi mags work fine. The bolt carrier needs to be clearanced a bit more on the bottom to clear P-mags, like the poster above demonstrated. View Quote Please PM me your e-mail address and I will send you the instruction manual for the 8 position gas block. I let manufacturing know about the mag drag. Thank you, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By RDTCU: What lower receiver. It could be as simple as a batch of Jakl lowers with the mag catch slot too high View Quote 80 lower I did. But I also put the upper on an Anderson and a Rock River and I didn't notice dragging. I may have just gotten one that was ok, or it could be a lower issue. |
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Just out of curiosity, I swapped my extra Jakl bolt catch into a Spikes Tactical lower to see if in my case anyway, the lower was the issue or the bottom of the bolt carrier.
The Spikes lower was even worse as far as the Pmag dragging on the bolt carrier and I couldn’t insert an empty Pmag on a closed bolt. So at least in my case the bolt carrier is suspect as it wouldn’t work with Pmags on 2 lowers (Spikes and a PSA Jakl). Or some combination of tolerance stacking (bolt, lower, magazine). It works fine with GI mags and Lancers, just not Pmags. Just a data point for those that may stumble across this issue. |
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Originally Posted By Just10mm: Just out of curiosity, I swapped my extra Jakl bolt catch into a Spikes Tactical lower to see if in my case anyway, the lower was the issue or the bottom of the bolt carrier. The Spikes lower was even worse as far as the Pmag dragging on the bolt carrier and I couldn’t insert an empty Pmag on a closed bolt. So at least in my case the bolt carrier is suspect as it wouldn’t work with Pmags on 2 lowers (Spikes and a PSA Jakl). Or some combination of tolerance stacking (bolt, lower, magazine). It works fine with GI mags and Lancers, just not Pmags. Just a data point for those that may stumble across this issue. View Quote If you would like us to bring it in and take a look at it, feel free to PM me your order number. Thank you, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
very nice.. i think @d16man should show his off here.. it makes me drool it looks soo killer.
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Why doesn't the jakl with the keymo muzzle device work with the nomad?
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What size upper would you guys go with to put on a sbr lower? Really considering one of these to put on my lower
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I'm going with 10.5" 5.56 and 8.5" 300BLK.
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Originally Posted By sigpros: Ya I actually have 2 lowers and this isn’t a bad idea. Hoping the upper kits with the lowere parts come back in stock. The 9mm would be sweet if it would fit on an ar15 lower that takes Glock mags View Quote I'd rather have a standard lower and use ETS mag conversions. They work great, and now you have a lower you can swap between 9 or 556 or 300blk or...just swap the uppers. |
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Is my gas block canted or something?
Attached File Attached File It seems like there's a good deal of drag with the bolt going fully into battery. I took the bolt out and put the bolt carrier in by itself and this is where it stopped before having to be pushed forward. Is this normal? It just seems like the gas piston head is contacting the inside edge of the gas block as it's going forward and then needs to be pushed all the way forward. Does everyone else's look/function this way? Does it just need to be broken in? I've put maybe 100 rounds through it so far. @PalmettoStateArmory |
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Does this smell like chloroform to you?
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: Is my gas block canted or something? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20231215_190000_jpg-3060626.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20231215_190036_jpg-3060627.JPG It seems like there's a good deal of drag with the bolt going fully into battery. I took the bolt out and put the bolt carrier in by itself and this is where it stopped before having to be pushed forward. Is this normal? It just seems like the gas piston head is contacting the inside edge of the gas block as it's going forward and then needs to be pushed all the way forward. Does everyone else's look/function this way? Does it just need to be broken in? I've put maybe 100 rounds through it so far. @PalmettoStateArmory View Quote I had the same problem and although PSA never confirmed this, I could see it was canted. They did however issue an RMA and sent me a new upper which is as smooth as glass. |
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Does anyone know if the Jakl upper works with a Sig MCX lower? I have one that's a SBR already.
@PalmettoStateArmory |
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One of the JAKL variants I want has a KeyMo adapter on it. Some variants of the JAKL w/ KeyMo say they don't support the Dead Air Nomad-30 while others don't mention it at all. I tried emailing PSA' customer service email to inquire about compatibility, but nobody ever got back to me.
Does anyone know for sure if the this JAKL variant is in fact compatible with the DA Nomad 30? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-13-7-5-56-1-7-nitride-partial-picatinny-lower-hand-guard-moe-sl-ept-f5-stock-rifle-fde-black.html Once again, some of the KeyMo-compatible JAKLs say they're incompatible while other's make no mention of it. |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: Is my gas block canted or something? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20231215_190000_jpg-3060626.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/68140/20231215_190036_jpg-3060627.JPG It seems like there's a good deal of drag with the bolt going fully into battery. I took the bolt out and put the bolt carrier in by itself and this is where it stopped before having to be pushed forward. Is this normal? It just seems like the gas piston head is contacting the inside edge of the gas block as it's going forward and then needs to be pushed all the way forward. Does everyone else's look/function this way? Does it just need to be broken in? I've put maybe 100 rounds through it so far. @PalmettoStateArmory View Quote If you PM me your order number, we can trouble shoot and see what is going on. Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By sgsdave: One of the JAKL variants I want has a KeyMo adapter on it. Some variants of the JAKL w/ KeyMo say they don't support the Dead Air Nomad-30 while others don't mention it at all. I tried emailing PSA' customer service email to inquire about compatibility, but nobody ever got back to me. Does anyone know for sure if the this JAKL variant is in fact compatible with the DA Nomad 30? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-13-7-5-56-1-7-nitride-partial-picatinny-lower-hand-guard-moe-sl-ept-f5-stock-rifle-fde-black.html Once again, some of the KeyMo-compatible JAKLs say they're incompatible while other's make no mention of it. View Quote I too, would like clarification on this. |
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Originally Posted By sgsdave: One of the JAKL variants I want has a KeyMo adapter on it. Some variants of the JAKL w/ KeyMo say they don't support the Dead Air Nomad-30 while others don't mention it at all. I tried emailing PSA' customer service email to inquire about compatibility, but nobody ever got back to me. Does anyone know for sure if the this JAKL variant is in fact compatible with the DA Nomad 30? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-13-7-5-56-1-7-nitride-partial-picatinny-lower-hand-guard-moe-sl-ept-f5-stock-rifle-fde-black.html Once again, some of the KeyMo-compatible JAKLs say they're incompatible while other's make no mention of it. View Quote We are working on updating the descriptions. All are good to go now with the DA Nomad 30. Thank you, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
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Does this smell like chloroform to you?
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Those that have just gotten the upper, how big were the boxes that it came in? Need to be sneaky with ordering one.
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Can someone check to see if the gas selector detent is spring loaded? I had my jakl out today and the selector was tough to adjust and then super easy when I put some force on it.
It appears the detent isn't high enough to catch the notches on the selector now. |
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Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos - Pericles
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Originally Posted By rippr334: Can someone check to see if the gas selector detent is spring loaded? I had my jakl out today and the selector was tough to adjust and then super easy when I put some force on it. It appears the detent isn't high enough to catch the notches on the selector now. View Quote Yes, it is. I didn't know this the first time I took the gas plug out and sent the detent into the abyss Luckily, it is a standard takedown/pivot pin detent. My gas plug rotates real easy but it's a positive "click" each time, so maybe take the plug out and shine a flashlight in there to make sure both the detent and spring are present? |
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Does this smell like chloroform to you?
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: Yes, it is. I didn't know this the first time I took the gas plug out and sent the detent into the abyss Luckily, it is a standard takedown/pivot pin detent. My gas plug rotates real easy but it's a positive "click" each time, so maybe take the plug out and shine a flashlight in there to make sure both the detent and spring are present? View Quote Thanks! I worked on it and got it loose. Mine doesn't seem to come out completely and doesn't look like a typical detent at all. It's on a 300blk model. |
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Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos - Pericles
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Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: I won’t buy a pin a welded upper……….hope PSA will make one not pinned and welded View Quote I just discovered that PSA has been pin and welding their jackel uppers from this thread. Is this still happening? I would love to buy some jackel uppers but if they are pinned and welded I won’t touch them! |
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Originally Posted By Ebolinux: I just discovered that PSA has been pin and welding their jackel uppers from this thread. Is this still happening? I would love to buy some jackel uppers but if they are pinned and welded I won't touch them! View Quote This is probably what they have to do to meet ATF min 16" length. Not sure if they sell a 16" barrel but that would not need to be pinned/welded. |
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Originally Posted By Ebolinux: I just discovered that PSA has been pin and welding their jackel uppers from this thread. Is this still happening? I would love to buy some jackel uppers but if they are pinned and welded I won’t touch them! View Quote Here is a 16" version that is not P/W. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-rifle-upper-assembly-16-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-w-knurled-ch-bcg.html Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Here is a 16" version that is not P/W. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-rifle-upper-assembly-16-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-w-knurled-ch-bcg.html Thanks, Josiah View Quote Thanks! Are all the 16" versions non pinned and welded? I have not found any info in the description saying which ones are pinned and welded and which one are not. I use YHM QD flash hiders with YHM cans. If I where to get a one below 16" or even a 16" how am I supposed to know that's its pinned and welded? |
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Originally Posted By Ebolinux: Thanks! Are all the 16" versions non pinned and welded? I have not found any info in the description saying which ones are pinned and welded and which one are not. I use YHM QD flash hiders with YHM cans. If I where to get a one below 16" or even a 16" how am I supposed to know that's its pinned and welded? View Quote All the 16" versions are not P/W. In the "Product Details" in the description for JAKL's, it states if it is P/W. Thank you, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By RDTCU: 300blk with R9 Barnes 110 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/1000001870_jpg-3073680.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/1000001872_jpg-3073711.JPG View Quote Did you remove the P/W? How hard was it to get off and did it damage the barrel? |
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Originally Posted By Ebolinux: How did you remove the pin and weld that come from the factory to put on the YHM muzzle device? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ebolinux: Originally Posted By RDTCU: 300s are 8.5" only, no p/w It's a 2 stamp gun How did you remove the pin and weld that come from the factory to put on the YHM muzzle device? Read above again... The 300s are not pinned and welded. They come with an 8.5" barrel and would require an obnoxious muzzle device to reach 16" anyway. |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU: Read above again... The 300s are not pinned and welded. They come with an 8.5" barrel and would require an obnoxious muzzle device to reach 16" anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RDTCU: Originally Posted By Ebolinux: Originally Posted By RDTCU: 300s are 8.5" only, no p/w It's a 2 stamp gun How did you remove the pin and weld that come from the factory to put on the YHM muzzle device? Read above again... The 300s are not pinned and welded. They come with an 8.5" barrel and would require an obnoxious muzzle device to reach 16" anyway. I read it that you removed it. Not that it didn’t come with one. Thanks for the info |
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Are you guys still planning on coming out with a bullpup kit for these uppers?
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what stock is shown above?
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Originally Posted By d16man: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20231125_143544-3040059.jpg View Quote what stock is this |
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Originally Posted By pogmothoin: what stock is this View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By pogmothoin: Originally Posted By d16man: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20231125_143544-3040059.jpg what stock is this F5 Mfg. MSS |
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Originally Posted By MekEnginery: Originally Posted By pogmothoin: Originally Posted By d16man: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20231125_143544-3040059.jpg what stock is this F5 Mfg. MSS Cheaper on a complete rifle/lower from PSA than from F5. |
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Originally Posted By pogmothoin: what stock is this View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By pogmothoin: Originally Posted By d16man: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20231125_143544-3040059.jpg what stock is this F5 |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU: Cheaper on a complete rifle/lower from PSA than from F5. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RDTCU: Originally Posted By MekEnginery: Originally Posted By pogmothoin: Originally Posted By d16man: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337946/20231125_143544-3040059.jpg what stock is this F5 Mfg. MSS Cheaper on a complete rifle/lower from PSA than from F5. PSA has a lpk + F5 stock that is cheaper yet.... |
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