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Posted: 11/13/2012 3:12:07 PM EDT
I tried contacting CS today, no answer all day
I received my dissipator madness upper.......everything looks good. Cleaned it all up (there was some sort of film on the inside of the upper) then realized something... its a carbine length gas system. Website says supposed to be mid-length Not a happy camper right now. Anyone else seen this? Ordered on October 13th. Don't know if I can wait that long again for the correct upper! |
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I'll try calling again tomorrow. I do not want a carbine gas system. Let me know if you hear from them first!
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I thought I had seen in another post that the madness dissys were different in the fact that they did have the Carbine length gas system. I'll try to find it.
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I know you probably do not want to read this but I hope it can be helpful in some way. Link towards the bottom of page 1. I think you guys got the carbine length build. Anyone shoot theirs yet?
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The screenshot above shows what I ordered. As of right now, all dissipators that PSA sells are midlength on their website. Never saw a carbine one. If what I had ordered said carbine, I would not have purchased it, as I don't trust carbine gas systems. Only carbine length I own is an Adams Arms.
I'm going to call again tomorrow. I think it might just be a mixup, but apparently it's happened to a few people which has me worried |
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I ordered the MOE hand guard separately. The advertisement clearly says Mid Length as seen above.
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That's the MOE dizzy. When I ordered the description said mid length! Haven't shot it since I don't like carbine systems. Put a 9mm buffer (cheap) or H3 buffer (not so cheap) in it if you keep it. I wouldn't shoot a 16" barrel with a carbine length gas system without either one (Well I would, but it would be wrong). |
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Unless it was a typo, it seems the full rifle builds are carbine length. Wonder if they boxed up the wrong upper and someone that ordered a rilfe got your mid-length.
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Quoted: Unless it was a typo, it seems the full rifle builds are carbine length. Wonder if they boxed up the wrong upper and someone that ordered a rilfe got your mid-length. Seems plausible. Either way upper will be going back.
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If you ordered a madness dissy, I think they were advertised as carbine length gas. I could be totally wrong.
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Quoted: If you ordered a madness dissy, I think they were advertised as carbine length gas. I could be totally wrong. Per the pictures I posted above, they were advertised as a MID LENGTH. |
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Two different items. It would have madness in the title. Not the same but an Example
I am just guessing too. Like I said I could be wrong. |
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I don't care if it has madness in the title or not. It said/says mid length when I ordered, or I wouldn't have ordered. It said mid length in the title and in the barrel description I posted.
Not sure why you feel the need to contribute in the manner you are, when the facts and screen caps are posted. ETA: they added madness in the title for the sale, it has since been removed. I know what I ordered. |
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I am not trying to argue with you. I am just saying before crying foul play by PSA be sure about what you ordered. You may have ordered the one in your pics but it is not the same thing as what is on your packing list.
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Quoted: I am not trying to argue with you. I am just saying before crying foul play by PSA be sure about what you ordered. You may have ordered the one in your pics but it is not the same thing as what is on your packing list. I agree with this part. Perhaps you can inform what the "Premium" stands for then? Only difference is one say madness and one doesn't. Again, I know what I ordered. As well as the gentlemen who's thread this is. |
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I believe the premium means it is an FN barrel. The madness designation, for the dissys, may be the gas length. Just for the dissipators though. It is my best guess. I hope you guys get what you want. GL.
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I believe the premium means it is an FN barrel. The madness designation, for the dissys, may be the gas length. Just for the dissipators though. It is my best guess. I hope you guys get what you want. GL. Mine never had "madness" in the title and it came as a mid-length. I still think he got an upper meant for a full build (that from what I've seen has a carbine systems on it) and someone that ordered the full rifle got his upper. |
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Google cache ftw. As per google cache it was a middy it also took the snapshot on the 17th Link. That is unacceptable. I would return the upper. I just ordered one last week and will be very disappointed if I got a carbine gas system instead |
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Your upper was not built wrong, you received the wrong upper.
As was posted above, we have midlength dissy uppers and a special limited edition carbine dissy rifle. Please send CS an email with your order number and they will get the correct one out to you. |
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Bazinga!
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Your upper was not built wrong, you received the wrong upper. As was posted above, we have midlength dissy uppers and a special limited edition carbine dissy rifle. Please send CS an email with your order number and they will get the correct one out to you. |
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Your upper was not built wrong, you received the wrong upper. As was posted above, we have midlength dissy uppers and a special limited edition carbine dissy rifle. Please send CS an email with your order number and they will get the correct one out to you. Awesome! Will do! Thank you for the quick response! ETA: why would anyone want a carbine length dizzy? also, what was this "film" that was on the inside of my upper? It was also on the inside of my stripped upper. Releasing agent or something? it took some scrubbing to get off |
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Your upper was not built wrong, you received the wrong upper. As was posted above, we have midlength dissy uppers and a special limited edition carbine dissy rifle. Please send CS an email with your order number and they will get the correct one out to you. Awesome! Will do! Thank you for the quick response! ETA: why would anyone want a carbine length dizzy? also, what was this "film" that was on the inside of my upper? It was also on the inside of my stripped upper. Releasing agent or something? it took some scrubbing to get off Possibly dry lube. Some manufacturers put a baked on dry lube in their receivers. |
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Dude!!! Don't send it back I'll buy it from you. That's why I've never bought a dissy upper from them. I hate midlength!
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Dude!!! Don't send it back I'll buy it from you. That's why I've never bought a dissy upper from them. I hate midlength! Why? Also what buffers are you running on your carbine lengths? |
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Dude!!! Don't send it back I'll buy it from you. That's why I've never bought a dissy upper from them. I hate midlength! Why? Also what buffers are you running on your carbine lengths? I use carbine or H buffers. I see no advantage to midlength and all MY rifles are carbine length so I see it as a "ain't broke. Don't fix" type thing. My wife's rifle is a PSA SS midlength and I don't notice the slightest difference. Plus, Colt doesn't make a midlength |
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A carbine is going to more reliably extract due to the higher pressure at the gas port. It may be harder on the bolt lugs though. That dry film is mil spec. It is supposed to help with break in. As far as buffer weight I have a midlength 16" that likes an H2 buffer and one that likes a carbine buffer.
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A carbine is going to more reliably extract due to the higher pressure at the gas port. It may be harder on the bolt lugs though. That dry film is mil spec. It is supposed to help with break in. As far as buffer weight I have a midlength 16" that likes an H2 buffer and one that likes a carbine buffer. Not necessarily. The extra dwell time of a mid length will allow the brass to contract back down just a shade longer and be easier to extract. It'll also be less likely to rip through the case rim from the higher speeds caused by the higher pressures. Either systems can be very reliable with good ammo and components, so I'm not arguing for either. |
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I received a carbine gas dissy yesterday as well. PSA called me today and I will be getting the Mid length. glad i wasnt the only one. and glad i just had to tear the handguard off. the Preimium I beleive was NO LOGOS that we ordered. there was no logo but did have the white T marks
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Yep same here. on the RMA
a BCG would be awsome a upgrade to CHF also wold be cool as hell. anyways. I like the build of this carbine upper the gas block looks like a MI lo pro style which is much nicer than the hacked off FSB, As long as I get what I paid for is fine with me. |
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also, what was this "film" that was on the inside of my upper? It was also on the inside of my stripped upper. Releasing agent or something? it took some scrubbing to get off That would be the dry film lube found on most uppers by most manufacturers. Pretty much its not supposed to be scrubbed off. |
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also, what was this "film" that was on the inside of my upper? It was also on the inside of my stripped upper. Releasing agent or something? it took some scrubbing to get off That would be the dry film lube found on most uppers by most manufacturers. Pretty much its not supposed to be scrubbed off. Never seen it on other weapons? CLP powder blast ate right through it and it started to gum up so I wiped it all out |
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also, what was this "film" that was on the inside of my upper? It was also on the inside of my stripped upper. Releasing agent or something? it took some scrubbing to get off That would be the dry film lube found on most uppers by most manufacturers. Pretty much its not supposed to be scrubbed off. Never seen it on other weapons? CLP powder blast ate right through it and it started to gum up so I wiped it all out Must not have been the dry film coating then. |
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Dude!!! Don't send it back I'll buy it from you. That's why I've never bought a dissy upper from them. I hate midlength! Why? Also what buffers are you running on your carbine lengths? I use carbine or H buffers. I see no advantage to midlength and all MY rifles are carbine length so I see it as a "ain't broke. Don't fix" type thing. My wife's rifle is a PSA SS midlength and I don't notice the slightest difference. Plus, Colt doesn't make a midlength Good enough, just curious. |
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I would like to add.
It took 30 days for my order to arrive. It was advertised at the time of order to be 15 business days. I had some cerakoting planned, but shit happens. I am not bent out of shape about it. My last order from Palmetto (ammo related) took over 25 days before I called. When I called, they (went above and way the fuck beyond) to make it right. A good business model, or hell, even friend model is this; "Never promise too much and always look to over deliver". They dropped the ball initially, but picked it up and threw a touchdown (just like one of their fine college sports teams in SC). Trying to hang with you Palmetto. I believe the average consumer is quicker to press the order button when there is a known quantity of what to expect as it relates to shipping times and parts correct orders. Shipping times and incorrect orders are what has destroyed Botach's customer confidence. I promise I don't work for Spike's. Please stop taking it out on my orders Ps. Just raise your prices and you won't have these problems. I have forgiven you, my bank account has not. |
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Yeah, raise prices just on him. My shit comes on time and complete.
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Crap! I ordered the same upper on 10/17 and just got it today. This is my first AR build and I'm a noob. Did I get a carbine length gas system on mine? I can't take my handguards off to get a real good look, but from what I can see the gas port seems to be 3 inches back from the back of the front site. Am I good to go?
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From gas block back to the upper receiver I'm measuring 9.5 inches. I'm reading HERE that I have a mid length gas tube, but your first pic suggests otherwise.
EDIT: Nevermind, I compared that 3rd pic you put up and its pretty evident I got a mid-length after all. Thanks for helping me out! |
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From gas block back to the upper receiver I'm measuring 9.5 inches. I'm reading HERE that I have a mid length gas tube, but your first pic suggests otherwise. There's an extra couple inches of gas tube inside the receiver. A half inch or so in the gas block. I think they were measuring like you, not the entire gas tube like in the above picture. My guess is they're catering to people who've never taken a gas tube out. |
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From gas block back to the upper receiver I'm measuring 9.5 inches. I'm reading HERE that I have a mid length gas tube, but your first pic suggests otherwise. There's an extra couple inches of gas tube inside the receiver. A half inch or so in the gas block. I think they were measuring like you, not the entire gas tube like in the above picture. My guess is they're catering to people who've never taken a gas tube out. its a mid |
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A carbine is going to more reliably extract due to the higher pressure at the gas port. It may be harder on the bolt lugs though. That dry film is mil spec. It is supposed to help with break in. As far as buffer weight I have a midlength 16" that likes an H2 buffer and one that likes a carbine buffer. Not necessarily. The extra dwell time of a mid length will allow the brass to contract back down just a shade longer and be easier to extract. It'll also be less likely to rip through the case rim from the higher speeds caused by the higher pressures. Either systems can be very reliable with good ammo and components, so I'm not arguing for either. Yep, due to the extra time for contraction of the brass in the chamber, the midlength doesn't even need the stronger extractor springs/o-rings that (that almost all carbines have) to keep the extractor from slipping off the case rim. It is absolutely false to claim that a carbine will extract more reliably than a middy. |
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I have never cared for the looks of a dissy, but their starting to grow on me.
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I have never cared for the looks of a dissy, but their starting to grow on me. I was hooked since I first saw one. At first I thought it was some kind of older (or one off) model. Started doing some research and realized there are quite a few out there. So I ordered a barrel from Bushmaster (that's been on backorder for 3 months), a Spikes Dissy upper (backordered for 2-2.5 months) and a PSA dissy that I just got a few weeks ago. Something about them seen so well balanced and porportioned (visually speaking). |
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A carbine is going to more reliably extract due to the higher pressure at the gas port. It may be harder on the bolt lugs though. That dry film is mil spec. It is supposed to help with break in. As far as buffer weight I have a midlength 16" that likes an H2 buffer and one that likes a carbine buffer. Not necessarily. The extra dwell time of a mid length will allow the brass to contract back down just a shade longer and be easier to extract. It'll also be less likely to rip through the case rim from the higher speeds caused by the higher pressures. Either systems can be very reliable with good ammo and components, so I'm not arguing for either. Yep, due to the extra time for contraction of the brass in the chamber, the midlength doesn't even need the stronger extractor springs/o-rings that (that almost all carbines have) to keep the extractor from slipping off the case rim. It is absolutely false to claim that a carbine will extract more reliably than a middy. A 16" carbine with a carbine buffer can damage the rim of the brass during extraction. The extractor will gouge the inside of the rim and in some cases cause the edge of the case head to bulge. The case head will no longer be flat. See all the time picking up range brass. Not saying it will or won't extract, only saying the 16" barreled carbine is an abomination created by the BATF and their silly rules (I have one). |
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Just checked mine. I got the correct mid- length system. But my upper was built wrong. The gas block was gapped like you would do with removing the endcap, but the block was a no-gap style. I was getting short strokes and all kinds of issues. I was glad it was not a serious issue but wasn't excited to have problems out of the box. Luckily a nearby smith was able to trouble shoot it after I tried al I could think of.
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