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Posted: 4/5/2022 10:27:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
We are live with a home page.
Please do not call Palmetto as the CS people have not been brought into the loop yet. https://hr1871.com/ Please direct all questions to this thread instead of starting new ones. I will post all updates here and in the JJE-H&R thread in the retro forum. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:57:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M41A]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. 
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:02:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M41A: FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png Yeah, they looked awful. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:27:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Yeah, they looked awful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png Yeah, they looked awful. Obviously vintage AR10s aren't everyone's thing, buy I'd have to imagine (if done right) they'd sell certainly more than a handful? I mean it is after all the grandfather of the entire AR family. There's a cool factor there for sure. Even a limited thing would be cool. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 11:33:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? Well, that's incredibly disappointing. The AR-10 was one of the only other "retro" items I had any interest in. I would have thought that the prices that the Brownells versions command on Gunbroker would have shown the interest, but I guess not. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 2:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? Get well soon! Looks like you aren't the only person down with the SHOT sickness. Thanks as always for your transparency on the H&R products. Looking forward to the DOE uppers! Cheers! Spooky |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 2:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Obviously vintage AR10s aren't everyone's thing, buy I'd have to imagine (if done right) they'd sell certainly more than a handful? I mean it is after all the grandfather of the entire AR family. There's a cool factor there for sure. Even a limited thing would be cool. Brand new forging cost money, reproduction of true to original parts cost money. It's not like AR15 most parts don't need reproduction. If AR10 are true reproduction, you will be looking for $2500-3000 maybe even more. That is not an acceptable price for average consumers. Money losing pit to just satisfy ensusiasts. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 2:58:02 PM EDT
[#7]
Get well soon. I know how it feels. Just getting over it.
Just the upper in your avatar would sell I think. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 5:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M41A: FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png That is exactly the reason I didn't buy one either. Aesthetically (which, let's be honest is a huge part of it what makes it cool and classic (just like any other retro gun)), it always just looked a little off to me... |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 5:56:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Brand new forging cost money, reproduction of true to original parts cost money. It's not like AR15 most parts don't need reproduction. If AR10 are true reproduction, you will be looking for $2500-3000 maybe even more. That is not an acceptable price for average consumers. Money losing pit to just satisfy ensusiasts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Obviously vintage AR10s aren't everyone's thing, buy I'd have to imagine (if done right) they'd sell certainly more than a handful? I mean it is after all the grandfather of the entire AR family. There's a cool factor there for sure. Even a limited thing would be cool. Brand new forging cost money, reproduction of true to original parts cost money. It's not like AR15 most parts don't need reproduction. If AR10 are true reproduction, you will be looking for $2500-3000 maybe even more. That is not an acceptable price for average consumers. Money losing pit to just satisfy ensusiasts. I'm under no illusions that an accurate (say, Dutch contract for example) AR10 reproduction would be cheap, but I still think there's a market for it. Brownell's BRN-10 was cool, but I'd venture to say more people didn't buy it precisely because it fell short of the mark. That was exactly the reason I didn't buy one. I mean, let's be real, the Brownell's BRN-10 didn't look even remotely close to as cool as the AR10 pictured below (and again, I get why (cost)), but you mean to tell me this wouldn't sell even at $2,500 to $3,500? I'm the only person out there that would be at the "shut up and take my money" point as soon as it was announced it was coming? Maybe I just need to convince the kind of dudes like SMG and/or Ohio Ordnance Works. If they can make repro FG42s and BARs, surely they could do an AR10 like is pictured below. And I may just have to accept the fact that it will only ever happen by small operations like those guys and at $5-6k. Maybe that's the only option ever?  |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 8:46:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Obviously vintage AR10s aren't everyone's thing, buy I'd have to imagine (if done right) they'd sell certainly more than a handful? I mean it is after all the grandfather of the entire AR family. There's a cool factor there for sure. Even a limited thing would be cool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Sorry guys, I caught the shot show crude and have been laid up since I got home. The DOE will have a proper 2 piece handguard with heat shields. I said this already. The AR10 is probably not going to happen. Sales were poor for Brownells so why would we do it? FWIW I didn't buy one because it looked stupid. The machining mistakes that were made on the upper receivers that they decided to run with because they already had them done made me not want to buy one. https://i.imgur.com/SRvXkQi.png Yeah, they looked awful. Obviously vintage AR10s aren't everyone's thing, buy I'd have to imagine (if done right) they'd sell certainly more than a handful? I mean it is after all the grandfather of the entire AR family. There's a cool factor there for sure. Even a limited thing would be cool. STG44 enters the chat Doing it cheap and doing it clone correct attract different buyers Some projects are dependent on price - Freedom AR kits Some are dependent on visual accuracy - dragunov, STG44 |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 8:51:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mlin: Brand new forging cost money, reproduction of true to original parts cost money. It's not like AR15 most parts don't need reproduction. If AR10 are true reproduction, you will be looking for $2500-3000 maybe even more. That is not an acceptable price for average consumers. Money losing pit to just satisfy ensusiasts. There’s an argument to be made they should accept 50% non refundable deposits and just aim to break even. One project a year/decade/whatever Their whole schtick is not about making money, it’s about supporting the 2a and gun community - they all seem like gun guys themselves Let the ARs and daggers pay the bills and then give back to the community That’s easy to say when it’s not my capital |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:08:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mlin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: There’s an argument to be made they should accept 50% non refundable deposits and just aim to break even. One project a year/decade/whatever Their whole schtick is not about making money, it’s about supporting the 2a and gun community - they all seem like gun guys themselves Let the ARs and daggers pay the bills and then give back to the community That’s easy to say when it’s not my capital I like the idea. Copy Tesla recipe. Collect deposits to gauge interest and that's more objective data than retro forum people telling company they want one (Obviously, who won't if you are true retro head?). The deposit should be un-refundable, but can be use as a credit to buy other H&R products if those people who sign on initially change their mind due to variety of reasons. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:36:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:00:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CouchCommando22]
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@Mike_nds
I ordered an H&R A1 C7 upper and it came with feed ramps. I assumed it would be a rifle type upper. Not a big deal, just surprised https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-c7-stripped-upper-receiver-black.html  Attached File Attached FileMounted to Brownells retro A1 11.5 barrel with rifle extension  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:18:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tortilla-flats]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: @Mike_nds I ordered an H&R A1 C7 upper and it came with feed ramps. I assumed it would be a rifle type upper. Not a big deal, just surprised https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-c7-stripped-upper-receiver-black.html https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/56567433-279B-48BA-8750-CCE5FBF6E74C_jpe-3113969.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/F93F5CD8-128A-475C-B3FE-76C4C9155B34_jpe-3113970.JPG Mounted to Brownells retro A1 11.5 barrel with rifle extension https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/1E2C8FAD-569D-4C9D-99ED-CAABD12B5297_jpe-3113971.JPG  |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: In the matrix of extensions and receiver cuts, that is the one combo you can't do. https://www.ar15barrels.com/tech/feedramps2.jpg I know. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 9:38:23 PM EDT
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I posted previously that they would have M4 feed ramps.
If it’s not in the ad copy I will have that edited. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:20:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rightwing87]
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@mike_nds, is this rear sight windage pretty standard? I was hitting 6" left at 50 yards with the factory sight-in and the rear sight ended up close to the right side once zeroed. It's a non-blem 733 upper.
733 Rear Sight Picture |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:39:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: In the matrix of extensions and receiver cuts, that is the one combo you can't do. https://www.ar15barrels.com/tech/feedramps2.jpg Huh. Just discovered that my upper has M4 extensions, but my barrel has rifle extensions. What’s this mean? Will it be a jam-o-matic when I finish building it? |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I posted previously that they would have M4 feed ramps. If it's not in the ad copy I will have that edited. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 10:51:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rightwing87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Akin: Huh. Just discovered that my upper has M4 extensions, but my barrel has rifle extensions. What’s this mean? Will it be a jam-o-matic when I finish building it? It's possible the bullet tip could hit the receiver feedramp and wedge itself under the barrel extension while firing. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: It's possible the bullet tip could hit the receiver feedramp and wedge itself under the barrel extension while firing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: Originally Posted By Akin: Huh. Just discovered that my upper has M4 extensions, but my barrel has rifle extensions. What’s this mean? Will it be a jam-o-matic when I finish building it? It's possible the bullet tip could hit the receiver feedramp and wedge itself under the barrel extension while firing. Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Akin: Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... Replacing the upper receiver is the only fix I know of. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: Replacing the upper receiver is the only fix I know of. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: Originally Posted By Akin: Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... Replacing the upper receiver is the only fix I know of. Well… H&R uppers come with the M4 extensions, so replacing it is kind of an issue. Does anyone else make them without? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Akin: Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By rightwing87: Originally Posted By Akin: Huh. Just discovered that my upper has M4 extensions, but my barrel has rifle extensions. What’s this mean? Will it be a jam-o-matic when I finish building it? It's possible the bullet tip could hit the receiver feedramp and wedge itself under the barrel extension while firing. Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... Run Gen 3 Pmags, kinda anachronistic for a retro rifle. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 12:07:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rpoL98]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Akin: Is there any way to fix this so it won't be a problem? That doesn't sound like a fun jam to clear... many AR gunsmiths can provide this service: "Add M4 feedramps | $25 | This service is to machine M4 feedramps into a barrel or complete upper that does not already have them. M4 feedramps increase the reliaility of barrels with short gas systems that run the bolt carrier at higher velocity than the original 20" barreled AR-15 design. The feedramps will be left unfinished." purely as as an example: AR15barrels.com Sherman Oaks, CA or you can do it yourself with a dremel. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Precision-Rifles/Hellbender-s-a-k-a-Lostinthewoods-Guide-to-the-Ultimate-AR-fixed-/4-6919/ |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:38:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: @Akin many AR gunsmiths can provide this service: "Add M4 feedramps | $25 | This service is to machine M4 feedramps into a barrel or complete upper that does not already have them. M4 feedramps increase the reliaility of barrels with short gas systems that run the bolt carrier at higher velocity than the original 20" barreled AR-15 design. The feedramps will be left unfinished." purely as as an example: AR15barrels.com Sherman Oaks, CA or you can do it yourself with a dremel. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Precision-Rifles/Hellbender-s-a-k-a-Lostinthewoods-Guide-to-the-Ultimate-AR-fixed-/4-6919/ :-D I know Randall, he's done numerous jobs for me in the past. If he can fix this, I'll give him a call... Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:46:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
[#28]
Which M16A2 receiver color was more prevalent - gray or black?
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Posted: 2/1/2024 1:54:13 AM EDT
[#29]
Hope you feel better mike, ive been sick as well with the plague
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Posted: 2/1/2024 8:52:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I posted previously that they would have M4 feed ramps. If it’s not in the ad copy I will have that edited. I didn’t see you had posted it and the ad didn’t specify one way or the other. |
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Posted: 2/2/2024 7:38:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKnut733: Mike any idea when the gray slickside uppers or the m16a1 gray uppers will be back? By the way just ordered one of your stand alone 723 barrels this weekend can't wait to see it. Yeah I'm pretty much set on picking up an M16A1 complete rifle (in gray), but of course when I go look they're all out. Well, at least they're selling so that's a good sign. Definitely excited to get one. |
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Posted: 2/2/2024 9:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: @mike_nds, is this rear sight windage pretty standard? I was hitting 6" left at 50 yards with the factory sight-in and the rear sight ended up close to the right side once zeroed. It's a non-blem 733 upper. 733 Rear Sight Picture We zero at 25y with 55gr PMC. They are typically centered better than that. |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 1:39:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: We zero at 25y with 55gr PMC. They are typically centered better than that. Appreciate the response. I was shooting Winchester 55gr 5.56. I wasn’t expecting it to be perfectly centered, but it’s much further off than I expected. Is that something PSA can fix through warranty? |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 12:59:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: Appreciate the response. I was shooting Winchester 55gr 5.56. I wasn’t expecting it to be perfectly centered, but it’s much further off than I expected. Is that something PSA can fix through warranty? If you send it back attention to H&R we can check it out. |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 8:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: If you send it back attention to H&R we can check it out. Thanks, I’ll try to ship it out next week. |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 8:20:52 PM EDT
[#36]
@mike_nds
Any reason you no longer sell A1 handguards? |
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Posted: 2/3/2024 8:36:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kokal00: @mike_nds Any reason you no longer sell A1 handguards? Inventory got low and we needed them for uppers and rifles. |
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Posted: 2/4/2024 10:53:27 PM EDT
[#38]
I would sell my immortal soul for a grey C7 upper...
I'm just a lefty who wants a grey 723 with case deflector, pencil barrel, and peel washer 
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Posted: 2/5/2024 1:06:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eoghys: I would sell my immortal soul for a grey C7 upper... I'm just a lefty who wants a grey 723 with case deflector, pencil barrel, and peel washer The whole soul market is kinda depressed right now, w/ so many billions of people on the planet, souls are a dime a dozen. 
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Posted: 2/5/2024 7:40:23 AM EDT
[#40]
We have C7 uppers out for gray.
I’ll post when they go live. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 9:09:00 AM EDT
[#41]
Thanks for all the hard work Mike. Lots of glowing reviews from Shot Show coverage as well. Really appreciate you working hard to bring some really cool stuff to the market.
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Posted: 2/5/2024 9:11:55 AM EDT
[#42]
(sorry if this has already been asked, I do see that the AR10 was addressed) Is there any chance of bringing back prototype AR15 builds? I know the Armalite "AR10 clones" weren't popular because they weren't accurate clones at all, but it seemed like the Brownells Proto-15s wouldn't stay in stock and sell pretty quickly every time they're available.
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Posted: 2/5/2024 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/5/2024 3:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: (sorry if this has already been asked, I do see that the AR10 was addressed) Is there any chance of bringing back prototype AR15 builds? I know the Armalite "AR10 clones" weren't popular because they weren't accurate clones at all, but it seemed like the Brownells Proto-15s wouldn't stay in stock and sell pretty quickly every time they're available. Probably not. There was some advanced machining and hand work associated with the NoDak proto's. Don't really have the setup for it right now. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 3:24:10 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Which M16A2 receiver color was more prevalent - gray or black? I'm trying to remember this myself. I still remember the SN of the H&R M16A2 I carried in basic training, but I don't remember the color of the anodizing. In true BCT form, I remember all the rifles being very worn and often mis-matched. I'm leaning towards purchasing grey receivers just because it's more interesting and it still fits my memory. |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 4:30:29 PM EDT
[#46]
Purple seemed to be the prevailing color on the M4s I was issued.
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Posted: 2/5/2024 5:47:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Purple seemed to be the prevailing color on the M4s I was issued. I love the purple haze  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/5/2024 8:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#48]
What’s the story with purple anodizing? Was it that way when new or did it fade to that color?
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Posted: 2/5/2024 10:59:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Hi Mike! I am totally new to all this thread stuff . I am looking for the M16A1 complete upper receiver (gray) can you tell me when I could buy one . I didn't see the whole gun on psa so I purchased a new lower on gunbroker hoping I could get the upper easier ! My bad can u help?
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Posted: 2/5/2024 11:09:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Hi Mike. When will the M16A1 gray complete uppers be available?
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