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Posted: 2/9/2020 6:32:16 PM EDT
PSA,
You killed it at SHOT this year. You have so many exciting projects on the horizon it is not only impossible to ignore you, but it actually makes folks nervous that you will screw it up- that's because we are all extremely hopeful that you will succeed in pulling it off. Bandwidth is limited in any size organization, and resources will need to be divided between alllll these different projects. I want to urge you that when the time comes to allocate scarce resources... and tough decisions need to be made... cut one of the projects designed to compete with an already-available better-weapon from an OEM-source on price, and THROW IN EXTRA BEHIND THE JAKL. This is something truly unique and exciting from you guys. It has a lot of potential. If you don't screw it up or "Gen"-it-out, it will be a must have like a CZ Scorpion. That being said I wanted to separate the JAKL from the $300 generic Glock thread (aren't real Glocks about $400 all over the country?) and get some discussion going separately. Very bad ideas are starting to seep into that thread, as with twist rate, and smart decisions need to be made. So here are my unsolicited good ideas: TWIST RATE - should be 1:8 in .300 BLK, and should be 1:7 in 5.56. GAS SETTINGS - should be un-suppressed, suppressed super, suppressed sub, and OFF. Don't miss out on the opportunity to take advantage of your main-thing-here. HAND GUARD - Just run it as a monolithic extrusion, complete with the receiver. Don't make a separate plastic hand guard. Separate receiver and hand guard would only make sense if you were going for something modular- and it has been said different receivers for different calibers. LOWER RECEIVER - I see two designs using pistons, not in need of a buffer, and both using AR-15 lug distance for compatibility. Both are using gap-plate spacer doohickeys to blend it in to the rear. These are the BRN-180 and the JAKL. BRN-180M receiver has the built in 1913 rail. Can you use that? Call them up- they'll even put your name on the side. THE DOOHICKEY - just have it as an add-on in a drop down for folks who buy the upper and want to mount it to an existing SBR'd lower. THE STOCK - I dig the triangle folder and I know why you did it. It looks like it was the right length for something with a shorter receiver or closer hinge though. I'd call SBT and see if they can take an inch or two off. Here are my bad ideas that should be ignored: MODULARITY - Imagine if it had a MRP-ish barrel change? If you could locate the port in the same spot and size it correctly for each caliber, you could use the same everything-else. ENHANCED CONTROLS - What else can you guys do to further differentiate the JAKL... maybe drop a Norgon-ish ambi catch, Maritime-ish BHO, and ambi selector in with them? With your buying power, you could do this cheap. |
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Originally Posted By 19Charlie_84: Can you like, make more than 1 upper at a time? Like seriously, I got the in stock notification for 13.7 upper and not 2 min later they're out of stock. Maybe prepay for them so I don't have to sit in my mom's basement hitting F5 all day? View Quote There is an insane demand for them right now. I can assure you it is more than just a few going in stock each time! Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By mcantu: "Constructive intent" is a thing View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By mcantu: Originally Posted By HerculesMulligan: Why is the 13.7 perm attached? Can't it be offered both ways? Some of us have SBR's and pistols . "Constructive intent" is a thing So is "people who own SBR'd lowers". I also came here to ask about a NON pin & welded version. My suppressor mount wont allow for a 10.5" bbl, but a 13.7" would be perfect. Can we call customer service to get an upper build that isn't p&w'd? |
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Originally Posted By AT-ST83: So is "people who own SBR'd lowers". I also came here to ask about a NON pin & welded version. My suppressor mount wont allow for a 10.5" bbl, but a 13.7" would be perfect. Can we call customer service to get an upper build that isn't p&w'd? View Quote Another vote for non pinned 13.7's. I'd put my own YHM mount on it, or aem5 brake and make a collar. Although at this point just getting an upper would be sweet. |
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Got my upper wednesday and Haga stock today. This thing is sweet, going to wait for my ASR break to get here and mounted before I shoot it but so far I am impressed.
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Originally Posted By 19Charlie_84: Another vote for non pinned 13.7's. I'd put my own YHM mount on it, or aem5 brake and make a collar. Although at this point just getting an upper would be sweet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 19Charlie_84: Originally Posted By AT-ST83: So is "people who own SBR'd lowers". I also came here to ask about a NON pin & welded version. My suppressor mount wont allow for a 10.5" bbl, but a 13.7" would be perfect. Can we call customer service to get an upper build that isn't p&w'd? Another vote for non pinned 13.7's. I'd put my own YHM mount on it, or aem5 brake and make a collar. Although at this point just getting an upper would be sweet. I’m in that Ops Inc M4-M camp and would love an unpinned 13.7. I’m very much considering just buying one and drilling the pin. |
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Originally Posted By 19Charlie_84: Another vote for non pinned 13.7's. I'd put my own YHM mount on it, or aem5 brake and make a collar. Although at this point just getting an upper would be sweet. View Quote This is exactly what's holding my brother up from ordering one. He's hoping for an un-pinned 13.7. I'm just waiting on the pinned surefire mount...@palmettostatearmory |
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Does this smell like chloroform to you?
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Super lame, PSA.
I don't need a Jakl upper, but I was willing to spend the money to try it out. But now, I won't bother. |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Unfortunately we do not have any plans at this time. Thanks, Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: This is exactly what's holding my brother up from ordering one. He's hoping for an un-pinned 13.7. I'm just waiting on the pinned surefire mount...@palmettostatearmory Unfortunately we do not have any plans at this time. Thanks, Josiah @palmettostatearmory … than just release a regular 16” version vs this PW crap … seriously … in my opinion either sell the 13.7 unpinned or offer a regular 16” variant … |
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@PalmettoStateArmory
There's a local shop that does a great job with P/W. Is the factory PSA job "serviceable" in case I decide to go to a Surefire muzzle device? I would not be re-pinning. It would be SBR lower. |
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Originally Posted By 10-8DoWork: @PalmettoStateArmory There's a local shop that does a great job with P/W. Is the factory PSA job "serviceable" in case I decide to go to a Surefire muzzle device? I would not be re-pinning. It would be SBR lower. View Quote Any P/W job is serviceable, the only real question is how much of the original muzzle device you will have left. |
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+1 for the option of not having a muzzle device.
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WELCOME to The Forums at Brownells.com - Sorry about your wallet.
Feeling like a ham and mustard shake |
Yep, that's really the only issue stopping me. Why would I buy something that I can't use any of my existing suppressors on?
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Took the 300 out. Won't cycle factory subs at all but did decent, depending on gas setting, with some reloads.
Indoor range so I couldn't test how loud it was but did determine which powders it seemed to like better (1680 and Shooters World Blackout, it seems). |
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Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos - Pericles
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Originally Posted By rippr334: Took the 300 out. Won't cycle factory subs at all but did decent, depending on gas setting, with some reloads. Indoor range so I couldn't test how loud it was but did determine which powders it seemed to like better (1680 and Shooters World Blackout, it seems). View Quote Mine cycles factory subs like a champ. |
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Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos - Pericles
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BikerNut:
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's asking a lot to cycle subs without a can. View Quote Yeah it cycles most of my subs with the can. I don't recall if it cycles the factory subs with the can. Guess I should go back to the range. *Shucks* Overall I appreciated the lack of gas to the face; I just hope it's quieter than I could get with my 7.5" barrel. |
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Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos - Pericles
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: It's asking a lot to cycle subs without a can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By rippr334: Originally Posted By thebomber: Mine cycles factory subs like a champ. With or without a can? It's asking a lot to cycle subs without a can. It won't cycle subs without a can. I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. |
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Originally Posted By thebomber: It won't cycle subs without a can. I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thebomber: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By rippr334: Originally Posted By thebomber: Mine cycles factory subs like a champ. With or without a can? It's asking a lot to cycle subs without a can. It won't cycle subs without a can. I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. 300 relies on the backpressure of the can most of the time to make the action function properly with subs. Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: 300 relies on the backpressure of the can most of the time to make the action function properly with subs. Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By thebomber: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By rippr334: Originally Posted By thebomber: Mine cycles factory subs like a champ. With or without a can? It's asking a lot to cycle subs without a can. It won't cycle subs without a can. I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. 300 relies on the backpressure of the can most of the time to make the action function properly with subs. Josiah I understand that and was pointing it out to the previous poster. I added my belief that shooting subs without a can is pointless. |
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@palmettostatearmory
A couple of questions: Due to the coating on the rifles, would it be safe to say if you bought an FDE upper now and an FDE lower later they would match? (same with ODG/smoke). Will you be selling the ACR stocks separately at some point? I couldn't find them separately on the website. Please do not stop the 13.7" pin and weld uppers. They are fantastic and their are a lot of Dead Air mount users out there. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By vugger: @palmettostatearmory A couple of questions: Due to the coating on the rifles, would it be safe to say if you bought an FDE upper now and an FDE lower later they would match? (same with ODG/smoke). Will you be selling the ACR stocks separately at some point? I couldn't find them separately on the website. Please do not stop the 13.7" pin and weld uppers. They are fantastic and their are a lot of Dead Air mount users out there. Thanks! View Quote Or maybe selling the lowers with the ACR stock attached? |
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Does this smell like chloroform to you?
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Originally Posted By vugger: @palmettostatearmory A couple of questions: Due to the coating on the rifles, would it be safe to say if you bought an FDE upper now and an FDE lower later they would match? (same with ODG/smoke). Will you be selling the ACR stocks separately at some point? I couldn't find them separately on the website. Please do not stop the 13.7" pin and weld uppers. They are fantastic and their are a lot of Dead Air mount users out there. Thanks! View Quote There may be a slight difference in colors due to batches, but nothing huge like the differences on a FDE SCAR. The F5 stocks we will not be selling individually, but the one that was on the JAKL's at shot I believe will be sold separately as inventory allows. Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Can anyone share the approx ship time for the 13.7" upper? I ordered a complete lower about a week ago and it shipped out the same day. I ordered an fde 13.7" upper the next day and it still hasn't shipped out yet. Thanks!
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Originally Posted By wsenefeld: Can anyone share the approx ship time for the 13.7" upper? I ordered a complete lower about a week ago and it shipped out the same day. I ordered an fde 13.7" upper the next day and it still hasn't shipped out yet. Thanks! View Quote If you PM me your order number, I can look into it. Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
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Any word on when the 9MM JAKL will finally be released?
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Not yet! Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By TactiCoolBro: Any word on when the 9MM JAKL will finally be released? Not yet! Josiah At least not before 13.7 uppers, please. |
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WELCOME to The Forums at Brownells.com - Sorry about your wallet.
Feeling like a ham and mustard shake |
Finally 14.5 uppers. But still pin and welded
Why continue to pin and weld uppers when the feedback is opposed to it? 14.5 JAKL Upper |
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Originally Posted By nwalker77: Finally 14.5 uppers. But still pin and welded Why continue to pin and weld uppers when the feedback is opposed to it? 14.5 JAKL Upper View Quote Lol, 2 hours later and they’re all gone. I’m guessing that’s why for now. Majority of gun owners don’t own suppressors and don’t want to send off for a P&W. Not my beliefs on what should be offered, just my theory as to why they’re doing it. |
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Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Lol, 2 hours later and they’re all gone. I’m guessing that’s why for now. Majority of gun owners don’t own suppressors and don’t want to send off for a P&W. Not my beliefs on what should be offered, just my theory as to why they’re doing it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By -OdieGreen-: Originally Posted By nwalker77: Finally 14.5 uppers. But still pin and welded Why continue to pin and weld uppers when the feedback is opposed to it? 14.5 JAKL Upper Lol, 2 hours later and they’re all gone. I’m guessing that’s why for now. Majority of gun owners don’t own suppressors and don’t want to send off for a P&W. Not my beliefs on what should be offered, just my theory as to why they’re doing it. At least that one has a Silencerco mount on it. Glad to see they're offering different options. |
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@PalmettoStateArmory
Sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but is there a plan/ETA on CHF barrel equipped Jakls? |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Unfortunately we do not have any plans at this time. Thanks, Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: This is exactly what's holding my brother up from ordering one. He's hoping for an un-pinned 13.7. I'm just waiting on the pinned surefire mount...@palmettostatearmory Unfortunately we do not have any plans at this time. Thanks, Josiah I won’t buy a pin a welded upper……….hope PSA will make one not pinned and welded |
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Sorry if it's been asked before. I have an existing SBR AR lower. I want to put one of the 10.5 uppers on it, but I want the F5 stock system. I'm having trouble finding out how to attach it?
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911: Sorry if it's been asked before. I have an existing SBR AR lower. I want to put one of the 10.5 uppers on it, but I want the F5 stock system. I'm having trouble finding out how to attach it? View Quote You just need this - https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-lower-build-kit-jakl-smoke-moe-ept-w-o-brace-black.html or this - https://f5mfg.com/product/modular-stock-system-mss-for-psa-jakl-black/ |
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" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly" |
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I like the P&W 13.7" and 14.5". Thank you PSA for offering these options.
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Ordered my 14.5” in FDE Thursday. Hopefully it ships soon!
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@palmettostatearmory
There are still some of us sitting on a mountain of cheap 7.62x39. I know Jamin loves the AK and AAC will eventually be turning out the OG .300 shorty. Is any consideration being given to a 7.62x39 JAKL that fits the KS47 lower? If that’s a possibility, I’m going to Form1 why KS47 lower immediately |
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If you think you’ve got problems now, just wait until you see the solution.
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Originally Posted By SlimBlundt: @palmettostatearmory There are still some of us sitting on a mountain of cheap 7.62x39. I know Jamin loves the AK and AAC will eventually be turning out the OG .300 shorty. Is any consideration being given to a 7.62x39 JAKL that fits the KS47 lower? If that’s a possibility, I’m going to Form1 why KS47 lower immediately View Quote In the long-run we will have a JAKL on a KS47 lower, but it is still just in the prototype phase at the moment. Thanks, Josiah |
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Palmetto State Armory
3760 Fernandina Rd Columbia, SC 29210 Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950 |
Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: In the long-run we will have a JAKL on a KS47 lower, but it is still just in the prototype phase at the moment. Thanks, Josiah View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory: Originally Posted By SlimBlundt: @palmettostatearmory There are still some of us sitting on a mountain of cheap 7.62x39. I know Jamin loves the AK and AAC will eventually be turning out the OG .300 shorty. Is any consideration being given to a 7.62x39 JAKL that fits the KS47 lower? If that’s a possibility, I’m going to Form1 why KS47 lower immediately In the long-run we will have a JAKL on a KS47 lower, but it is still just in the prototype phase at the moment. Thanks, Josiah This is great news. Just hope they aren’t all pin and welded upper. The KS47 is a special platform that PSA has hit a home run on. Hope someday a 5.45x39 version |
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@palmettostatearmory
What is current ship time? I ordered a Jakl on 7/20 and status still shows “processing”. Just curious as my orders have always shipped in 24hrs. Btw, I love you. Shut up and keep taking my money. Lol |
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