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Posted: 1/29/2020 10:08:30 PM EDT
With a 6-8 month lead time I figured I’d buy first and ask questions/generate discussion later. I’ve been shooting PRS with an MPA 6.5 bolt gun and wanted a solid gas gun for both PRS and hog hunting at night. I was going back and forth between JP, LMT, SCAR, Seekins, and GAP but my freaking Texan friends wouldn’t stfu about this gun (I’m actually not joking lol).
Anyway, that’s how I ended up here. Do PredatOBR’s in 6.5 take proprietary mags? Can I use PMAGs? *Answered below* How does the gas port work? I will be shooting almost exclusively suppressed. Is it toolless? *Answered below* Any reliability issues? I handload 6.5. Are there differences handloading for a 6.5 bolt gun vs gas gun? (Except for the requirement to FL resize each time) Any particular factory ammo these rifles like? I guess the most interesting observation with Larue is the lack of info. No specs on how much it weighs. No specs on the barrel (except that it’s “Stainless steel”) etc. It’s even hard to find reviews from people who’ve actually bought the rifle. Just seems unusual. |
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I’ll answer these two.
Can take PMAGs PST gas block is simple just the flick of a little metal “lever”. No tools required. |
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Just curious - what drove you to the 6.5C tOBR over the 6.5C UU Kit ?
The takedown feature is cool, but so is getting an extra mag and a Tranquilo suppressor for over $1,300 less. Granted, you also get the PST gas block; however, I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. My 7.62 tAR was a different story. Attached File |
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Elusive what?
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Just curious - what drove you to the 6.5C tOBR over the 6.5C UU Kit ? The takedown feature is cool, but so is getting an extra mag and a Tranquilo suppressor for over $1,300 less. Granted, you also get the PST gas block; however, I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. My 7.62 tAR was a different story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284972/Screen_Shot_2020-01-29_at_8_21_26_PM_png-1255158.JPG View Quote |
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Did they stop offering the assembled option on the drop downs for the UU kits?
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...I don’t like adjustable gas blocks (with set screws). View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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Other reloading difference is your COAL is dictated by the magazine, so while it will take PMAGs those aren’t the best bet for heavy bullets. It is gonna eat brass a lot more than a bolt gun, but it’s okay because I usually loose it by the time I’ve got 3-4 reloads out of it
Reliability of the PST, can’t say for 6.5 but 308x4 and .260x1 no issues at all...except when I forget to switch back to unsuppressed when I go to one of my hunting areas that doesn’t allow cans. Since Mark has been posting a lot of 6.5C test targets out of tOBR I’d bet if you ordered today it wouldn’t be too long of a wait. |
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i'm jealous, I love the tobr platform but im done buying them with uu kits selling so cheap. if mark wants any more money from me for factory guns it is going to have to be something special like a fde obr in 6.5 creed.
you will love your tobr,i have it's cousin in 260 and it is a solid performer. pete |
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Quoted: You mean like these set screws? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/FBCBBFC4-B033-4410-8E94-FFEE17C85B0F_jpe-1254933.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/049781F9-D21A-445E-9238-A0121132B70D_jpe-1254932.JPG View Quote OP, Also, check out the 260 thread it has a wealth of information. Yes I know its not 6.5 creedmore but really everything you need is there. |
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...OP, Also, check out the 260 thread it has a wealth of information. Yes I know its not 6.5 creedmore but really everything you need is there. |
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OP, the 260 loves the hornady 130 eldm factory stuff.
Also the Berger ammo with the 136 scenar is shooting well for D3. I have not tried it yet. |
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i'm jealous, I love the tobr platform but im done buying them with uu kits selling so cheap. if mark wants any more money from me for factory guns it is going to have to be something special like a fde obr in 6.5 creed. you will love your tobr,i have it's cousin in 260 and it is a solid performer. pete View Quote Have the fde tar and and a burnet county SO tobr. Always liked the OBR. |
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Quoted: You mean like these set screws? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/FBCBBFC4-B033-4410-8E94-FFEE17C85B0F_jpe-1254933.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/049781F9-D21A-445E-9238-A0121132B70D_jpe-1254932.JPG View Quote The post I quoted mentioned an adjustable gas block. They use a set screw to adjust the gas. |
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Since Mark has been posting a lot of 6.5C test targets out of tOBR I’d bet if you ordered today it wouldn’t be too long of a wait. View Quote If I got this by July I’ll be really happy. That way I can wrap up PRS season with it. |
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Just curious - what drove you to the 6.5C tOBR over the 6.5C UU Kit ? The takedown feature is cool, but so is getting an extra mag and a Tranquilo suppressor for over $1,300 less. Granted, you also get the PST gas block; however, I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. My 7.62 tAR was a different story. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/284972/Screen_Shot_2020-01-29_at_8_21_26_PM_png-1255158.JPG View Quote |
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Cool. A metering screw. Can you adjust it without tools? Either way I was not talking about how the gas block is secured to the barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Cool. A metering screw. Can you adjust it without tools? Either way I was not talking about how the gas block is secured to the barrel. Quoted:
...I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. But best of luck with your tOBR - they are great rifles. |
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Quoted: My experience with SLR adjustable blocks on several other rifles is more of a set and forget. I have always been able to find a setting (they have 15) that works well when shooting both suppressed and unsuppressed - i.e. once I dial it in it's toolless. YMMV. But best of luck with your tOBR - they are great rifles. View Quote There is a big difference between needing an adjustable gas block and having a gas block that allows for easy adjustment and proper function on two settings - suppressed and Unsuppressed. I’ve never had a DI gun that needed an adjustable gas block with a suppressor, and I wouldn’t own a Larue if it needed one either. But I wanted a rifle that had a gas block that allowed for these two settings. I’ve tried Surefire and Gemtech carriers in 5.56 platforms but eliminating excess gas from entering the system when a suppressor is added needs to be done at the port. So far, only Larue and Noveske have AR10 style rifles with gas blocks that allow you to do this easily and without tools. But getting back to my OP. There’s just not a lot of info straight from Larue on this stuff. Maybe they get so many orders they just don’t need to? (Not sarcasm) |
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Plus one on the factory rifle choice. The LT propriety rail system is far superior and I’ve found the barrel to receiver fit to be tighter on those I’ve disassembled for cleaning. Good choice.
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Unless you are running a tranquillo every suppressed Di gun I have ever shot supressed needs a adjustable gas block,including the uu kit guns. Just the nature of the beast,the difference with my tranquillo supressed guns is night and day on how clean they run.
Just a FYI don’t be afraid to try shooting unsupressed with the switch set at supressed my 260 runs fine with the switch set supressed 100 % of the time. Pete |
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My 260 does the same thing, runs fine on suppressed without a can. Which tells me it still has a enough gas, could be adjusted down.
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My 260 runs in suppressed setting well with or without as well.
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I had placed an order for a tOBR in 260 REM on 2/5/19 and when I noticed the 6.5 Creedmoor's addition to the website I had changed my order on 4/4/19. My rifle (18") shipped on 1/9/20 and I had it shortly thereafter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently they are not shipping the Creedmoor's with the PST gas block. While it was advertised that way up until a week ago; mine came with a standard gas block. This is disappointing, because like most of you Larue shooters, I was coveting the barrel cartridge, which is the only reason I ordered this rifle. (I already have a tOBR with 308 and 260 barrels, in fact I also have a UU in 6.5 Creedmoor so this rifle really is redundant!) I wrote to LaRue asking for an explanation on the 25th but I have yet to get a personal response. Funny enough however, the pictures and sales description of the rifle on the website have had all mention of the PST erased between now and then. I know they just spent a bunch of time at the Shot Show so for now patience is key, but still I'd just like to know, what gives?
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I had placed an order for a tOBR in 260 REM on 2/5/19 and when I noticed the 6.5 Creedmoor's addition to the website I had changed my order on 4/4/19. My rifle (18") shipped on 1/9/20 and I had it shortly thereafter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently they are not shipping the Creedmoor's with the PST gas block. While it was advertised that way up until a week ago; mine came with a standard gas block. This is disappointing, because like most of you Larue shooters, I was coveting the barrel cartridge, which is the only reason I ordered this rifle. (I already have a tOBR with 308 and 260 barrels, in fact I also have a UU in 6.5 Creedmoor so this rifle really is redundant!) I wrote to LaRue asking for an explanation on the 25th but I have yet to get a personal response. Funny enough however, the pictures and sales description of the rifle on the website have had all mention of the PST erased between now and then. I know they just spent a bunch of time at the Shot Show so for now patience is key, but still I'd just like to know, what gives? View Quote |
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I had placed an order for a tOBR in 260 REM on 2/5/19 and when I noticed the 6.5 Creedmoor's addition to the website I had changed my order on 4/4/19. My rifle (18") shipped on 1/9/20 and I had it shortly thereafter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently they are not shipping the Creedmoor's with the PST gas block. While it was advertised that way up until a week ago; mine came with a standard gas block. This is disappointing, because like most of you Larue shooters, I was coveting the barrel cartridge, which is the only reason I ordered this rifle. (I already have a tOBR with 308 and 260 barrels, in fact I also have a UU in 6.5 Creedmoor so this rifle really is redundant!) I wrote to LaRue asking for an explanation on the 25th but I have yet to get a personal response. Funny enough however, the pictures and sales description of the rifle on the website have had all mention of the PST erased between now and then. I know they just spent a bunch of time at the Shot Show so for now patience is key, but still I'd just like to know, what gives? I gotta hear the answer to this 1. |
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I guess that my decision to pick up a uu kit in 6.5 2 years ago just to have the barrel for a tobr swap was the correct decision. mark has always said it is harder to get a 6.5 creed to function in a gas gun and that is why he prefers the 260. so maybe he doesn't feel that with the tranquillo on the market that the pst block is relevant any more? id still be pissed if it were me as I paid the same for a gun with less features than the other tobr guns.
guess if there is no 6.5 pst obr or tobr barrel then I don't have to look foreword to buying one of those. im kinda sad to see mark stepping back from the flagship guns as I had always hoped to be able to pick up tobr barrels in multiple calibers for my guns and assumed they would have the pst switch gas blocks. maybe with the new barrel machine that will take place? pete |
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...I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
...I bought SLR Sentry 7 adjustable gas blocks for both my 6.5C and 6.5G UU kits, but ended up not needing them. Both run fine suppressed and unsuppressed with the LT non-adjustable low profile block. Quoted:
Perhaps you missed the part about the 6.5C UU not needing an adjustable gas block... |
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I guess that my decision to pick up a uu kit in 6.5 2 years ago just to have the barrel for a tobr swap was the correct decision. mark has always said it is harder to get a 6.5 creed to function in a gas gun and that is why he prefers the 260. so maybe he doesn't feel that with the tranquillo on the market that the pst block is relevant any more? id still be pissed if it were me as I paid the same for a gun with less features than the other tobr guns. guess if there is no 6.5 pst obr or tobr barrel then I don't have to look foreword to buying one of those. im kinda sad to see mark stepping back from the flagship guns as I had always hoped to be able to pick up tobr barrels in multiple calibers for my guns and assumed they would have the pst switch gas blocks. maybe with the new barrel machine that will take place? pete View Quote |
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Larue is pretty vague with their product description. They don’t even list the muzzle device it comes with.
If they truly are no different than the UU kit I’m going cancel. Happy Razarback? You win |
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LMAO Again, I own LT rifles that benefit from gas adjustment when shooting suppressed, but the 6.5C isn't one of them. It appears LT reached the same conclusion. View Quote OP switch over to the 260 and don't look back,they are kicking ass with both the Hornady eld's,and berger factory rounds,mine also runs prime well with just a slight cratering of the primer pockets(but prime is as hot as you want to go) the tobr platform is awesome in the fact you can change barrels at will, I swap mine back between 308 and 260 and 6.5 depending on my ammo selection for the day. Of course you cannot go wrong with a big block uu kit either as the one I stole the 6.5 creed barrel out of has been rocking a 308 barrel and has put meat in my freezer with two deer being just over 200 yards |
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I had placed an order for a tOBR in 260 REM on 2/5/19 and when I noticed the 6.5 Creedmoor's addition to the website I had changed my order on 4/4/19. My rifle (18") shipped on 1/9/20 and I had it shortly thereafter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently they are not shipping the Creedmoor's with the PST gas block. While it was advertised that way up until a week ago; mine came with a standard gas block. This is disappointing, because like most of you Larue shooters, I was coveting the barrel cartridge, which is the only reason I ordered this rifle. (I already have a tOBR with 308 and 260 barrels, in fact I also have a UU in 6.5 Creedmoor so this rifle really is redundant!) I wrote to LaRue asking for an explanation on the 25th but I have yet to get a personal response. Funny enough however, the pictures and sales description of the rifle on the website have had all mention of the PST erased between now and then. I know they just spent a bunch of time at the Shot Show so for now patience is key, but still I'd just like to know, what gives? View Quote Did they take your money when you ordered a year ago ? |
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It looks like the 65cm tOBR has a picture of a non adjustable Gas block. If I remember correctly the pic of the 65cm tOBR showed the PST at one point and the description said it was a PST gas block.
The 260 tOBR still shows a pst gas block and mentions pst in the description. This is an interesting development. |
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It looks like the 65cm tOBR has a picture of a non adjustable Gas block. If I remember correctly the pic of the 65cm tOBR showed the PST at one point and the description said it was a PST gas block. View Quote I also remember Mark saying the 6.5 was harder for him to gas than a .260 |
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I wonder if the change is for 2 reasons...
The Mrgg-s development/ requirements. The tranquilo not needing an adjustable block because of low back pressure. The first LT line of rifles, the OBR, were made to work with the Surefire “legacy” line of suppressors. Those rifles introduced the pst. |
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Clicked on way back link posted above.
I don't want to be that guy, but OP ordered a gun with pst prior to the change according to way back date. Not sure how I'd feel about still paying the $3,370 for a rifle advertised to have an adjustable gas block and not getting the PST or another form of adjustable gas block. I get it on the UU kits. The change on the UU kits from the chrome bcg isn't a huge deal because of the insane value of the kit. Bcg still has the same functionality. Adjustable gas block is an important feature imo if advertised on the rifle. |
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To me the pst block is part of the tobr package, id order a 260 and be done with it.... or if you are running a tranquillo and want the takedown features the tobr provides then maybe the sacrifice is worth it to you. if running any other can you will likely want a adjustable gas block.
Id think if mark is not putting the pst block on the 6.5creed then maybe he would go back to the tool kit and roll up bag to offset the pst cost,either that or knock some off the price to even things up. seems that a tobr in 6.5 costs more as it is gods caliber ? |
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Clicked on way back link posted above. I don't want to be that guy, but OP ordered a gun with pst prior to the change according to way back date. Not sure how I'd feel about still paying the $3,370 for a rifle advertised to have an adjustable gas block and not getting the PST or another form of adjustable gas block. I get it on the UU kits. The change on the UU kits from the chrome bcg isn't a huge deal because of the insane value of the kit. Bcg still has the same functionality. Adjustable gas block is an important feature imo if advertised on the rifle. View Quote Mark has changed things in the past, like the black Costa, but it has benefited the customer. Not seeing a customer benefit this time |
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^^^ I was with a lot of y’all... in on the first round of what became tOBRs with the black gold and field grade barrel. Yeah I was stoked to see the change from the costa to the tOBR.
tOBR is probably the most under appreciated rifle on the market. Anyway, no pst kind of stinks. I really want some different caliber tOBR barrel cartridges but I don’t think they are happening. |
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I can definitely understand not wanting to pay the same money for less features, but I also can't imagine a scenario where LaRue would go out of their way to remove the PST from the 6.5C tOBR unless they determined it was truly a solution looking for a problem in that caliber.
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I can definitely understand not wanting to pay the same money for less features, but I also can't imagine a scenario where LaRue would go out of their way to remove the PST from the 6.5C tOBR unless they determined it was truly a solution looking for a problem in that caliber. View Quote |
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