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Posted: 5/2/2009 8:12:26 PM EDT
So MAGPUL is bushmaster only doing the military verison and Remington the civilian version?
 Please do not link to that site-Aimless |
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Posted: 5/2/2009 8:28:28 PM EDT
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Remington and Bushmaster are the same company these days, aren't they?
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Posted: 5/2/2009 8:44:44 PM EDT
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Its still the Magpul Masada no matter who they have make it for which market.
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Posted: 5/2/2009 8:51:01 PM EDT
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They're different brands owned by the same company.
In RE: the picture I'm not seeing the ambi charging handle. The last iteration I saw, I thought it had a 'true ambidextrous' handle (ie: one on each side). And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot. |
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Posted: 5/2/2009 9:18:52 PM EDT
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I see MBUS....
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Posted: 5/2/2009 10:07:08 PM EDT
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The ACR is one rifle that I really want.
Bad. |
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Posted: 5/3/2009 9:50:31 AM EDT
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And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot.
Look at the angle of the sun. That is the shadow of the front Flip up sight. |
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Posted: 5/3/2009 10:33:18 AM EDT
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I wonder if they can give us a progress update.
Also, if it ever is released to the public, I hope they do it better than FN did. |
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Posted: 5/3/2009 11:01:48 AM EDT
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They're different brands owned by the same company. In RE: the picture I'm not seeing the ambi charging handle. The last iteration I saw, I thought it had a 'true ambidextrous' handle (ie: one on each side). And it looks like they photoshopped something off the rail, just above the laser and below the charging handle slot. Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington. |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 6:51:40 PM EDT
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It does exists.
There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 7:08:03 PM EDT
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It does exists. There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode. Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.
Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR. |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:22:15 AM EDT
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It does exists. There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode. Heh. Your wallet is going to explode only IF they finally get to market 
I've revised my thoughts on the whole thing. I've got a DPMS with Magpully goodness on it, so meh. Well, I'll have Magpully Goodness on it when the backorder clears
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Posted: 5/26/2009 6:38:42 AM EDT
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Freddie Blish (Aimpoint's director of MIL sales) reports back from the '09 NDIA Small Arms Symposium that Remington will be producing the ACR for mil/LEO sales in 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8. Obviously, all these are just a quick barrel/bolt swap to change calibers.
No word from LtCol Blish on non-LEO civilian sales. |
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Posted: 5/26/2009 11:46:45 AM EDT
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It does exists. There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode. Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.
Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR. The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY |
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Posted: 5/28/2009 6:45:47 PM EDT
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It does exists. There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode. Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.
Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR. The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY Can you tell us anymore? Little hints here and there? Come on bro! -ZA |
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Posted: 5/30/2009 5:34:42 PM EDT
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It does exists. There are factory flyer's, I have one but cannot post it. Remington expected to start producing these starting the third quarter of 2009 If this is true my head and wallet are going to explode. Yes, but Bushmaster makes all of the R-15s for Remington and DPMS makes all of the R-25s for them as well. Remington does not currently make any AR type rifles at their factory. I suspect that it is the same way with the ACR, that if these claims are correct, Bushmaster is making a 'military' edition for Remington.
Maybe they want to use some of the Remington factory capacity for "black" guns because that's what's selling and they can get some market share with the ACR. The ACR will be made in Ilion, NY Can you tell us anymore? Little hints here and there? Come on bro! -ZA Any idea how to post a .pdf file? if so, LMK and I'll try. 
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Posted: 5/30/2009 6:01:35 PM EDT
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I'm taking a ride to Illion
I'm 30-35 minutes away..........
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Posted: 5/30/2009 8:31:10 PM EDT
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Somebody pinch me.
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Posted: 5/30/2009 8:45:19 PM EDT
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so basically since they are making it for military and leo sales i guess we will see it in the same quanities as the sig 552 and HK G36. next to nothing in terms of market presences.
i still dont understand there desire to ignore the civilian market in favor of a LE/MIL market. there have been more FS2000 sold to civilians then LE/mil users. give the scar a few months and there will be more in civy hands then SF hands. look i hope it makes it to market but i guess time will tell |
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Posted: 5/30/2009 11:10:27 PM EDT
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but with the possibility of an AWB do you blaim them for trying it?
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Posted: 5/31/2009 5:37:53 AM EDT
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yes and no, they market the product to whom ever they chose so in that regard no, but at the same time it will be quite some time till a new weapon is selected to replace the m4.
with that being said in the mean time the ACR could be put out in significant numbers in order to attain an idea of what issues may surface once the weapon is mass produced. with nobama going al out on everything but military spending, im not to sure how interested he will be in replacing the m4 with something new that would require significant testing at say APG, dugway, yuma, or any other major testing center, that cost a retardedly stupid amount of money with the scar being pretty simial in capabilities, and having all ready undergone and paid for such testing, and is all ready in the pipline/system. its going to be an uphill battle to get a foothold on the m4 replacement when one comes. i do love the ACR, and do want to see it come to market because i do think it is one of the better concepts/rifles out there |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:10:43 AM EDT
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so basically since they are making it for military and leo sales i guess we will see it in the same quanities as the sig 552 and HK G36. next to nothing in terms of market presences. What, kind of like Colt? 
If they get it to the public I think the big thing will be price point. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:46:02 AM EDT
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Guys, if they sell it to LEOs through distributors, it will find it's way to the civvy market. Look at the LEO only Colts.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:56:56 AM EDT
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yes and no, they market the product to whom ever they chose so in that regard no, but at the same time it will be quite some time till a new weapon with nobama going al out on everything but military spending, im not to sure how interested he will be in replacing the m4 with something new that would require significant testing at say APG, dugway, yuma, or any other major testing center, that cost a retardedly stupid amount of money The Pentagon already has a winner in the next round of weapon trials to replace the M4
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Posted: 5/31/2009 7:08:34 AM EDT
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So the Remington is handling the military version of the ACR, while the civilian version will be followed up by Bushmaster? Or will we see all ACRs under the Remington name?
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Posted: 5/31/2009 7:27:15 AM EDT
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I have tried to stay away for the Masada play-by-play and speculation, but I'll hang out in case someone knows something about the Massoud in .308
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Posted: 5/31/2009 8:03:53 AM EDT
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So the Remington is handling the military version of the ACR, while the civilian version will be followed up by Bushmaster? Or will we see all ACRs under the Remington name? I suspect that the ACR will bear the Remington logo only, and while specifically targeted to LEO/Mil. sales, the general public will be the real buyers of the ACR. *The above is JMHO, not set in stone. 
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:02:47 AM EDT
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Screen Shots of fp1201's PDF file:
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:12:59 AM EDT
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So much better looking than the SCAR. No, looks aren't everything, but they are something.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:39:13 AM EDT
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Screen Shots of fp1201's PDF file: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/3582497050_dcab51a013_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2431/3581688267_47cc921613_o.jpg I hope they didn't scrap the plastic handguards. The 18" with the railed forend looks like complete shit. It's the one thing I hate about my XCR. As was stated above looks aren't everything, but come on. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:39:26 AM EDT
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TAG for the magpul saying of death...
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Posted: 5/31/2009 10:56:36 AM EDT
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If I can get that PDF I will make it into one big full res pcture
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Posted: 5/31/2009 11:27:34 AM EDT
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"Made in the USA for government sales."
/sigh Guess it will be 2010 before they get my money. I hate that I have to give it to Remington and not 100% Magpul. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 11:43:41 AM EDT
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looking good
If the railed hand guards are the same price as the standard ones, I'd be more than willing to get one as pictured in the .pdf. Otherwise I'd opt for the cheaper version and get the standard plastic guards. ETA: doh, no integrated flip-up front sights.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 12:30:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2009 12:49:29 PM EDT
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i hope they didn't ditch the plastic hand guard also, i really have no use for rails, or only 1 for a vert grip so extra wait for no reason would suck.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 12:50:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2009 1:00:08 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting the pics, JBowles.
 The rifle's looking good. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 1:36:47 PM EDT
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one more my new background
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:08:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:20:50 PM EDT
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In a perfect world there would be a lower with a slightly larger magazine well for use with 6.8 Pmags.
I would sell half my collection and my wife for one of those. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:34:29 PM EDT
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i hope they didn't ditch the plastic hand guard also, i really have no use for rails, or only 1 for a vert grip so extra wait for no reason would suck. I also don't really understand 9 acres of rail on a "DMR." Be that as it may it's not a deal breaker. I want one and a Massoud. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:05:09 PM EDT
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Does this mean we don't get 7.62X39 in the Remington version?
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:15:27 PM EDT
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OMG ITS GOT A BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:24:01 PM EDT
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Does this mean we don't get 7.62X39 in the Remington version? Even if they dont, you could do it yourself with a custom barrel & a 6.5 Grendel bolt (if they offer a 6.5 Grendel version). |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:40:26 PM EDT
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Does this mean we don't get 7.62X39 in the Remington version? Even if they dont, you could do it yourself with a custom barrel & a 6.5 Grendel bolt (if they offer a 6.5 Grendel version). I have a feeling if 6.5 is offered, 7.62 x 39 will be as well. It is a much more common cartrage. Has anyone heard if the design still incorporates AR barrels and trigger groups? |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:54:28 PM EDT
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AR barrel is retained from everything I see.
AR trigger - it won't affect sales either way, but I'm with you - GSSA would be very awesome. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:56:22 PM EDT
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At least someone was able to post the images from the file.
Only time will tell what the ultimate outcome from the project will be; the worst part is that production and distribution is never on schedule. As far as 7.62x39 goes, Remington has a new .30 cal round that would be a logical choice. |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:56:52 PM EDT
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I hope they include the plastic handguards. The firearm doesn't look as sexy without it.
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:53:08 PM EDT
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I hope they include the plastic handguards. The firearm doesn't look as sexy without it. /Agree. On a DMR, maybe but I usually don't need eight feet of rails. That's why I like the MOE handguards (that just showed up the other day). |
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Posted: 5/31/2009 6:58:07 PM EDT
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http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg SUPER HUGE VERSION HERE http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2908/09rem5156acradprintread.jpg I looked at big picture. I just don't like what they've done with it now. If the Bushy version looks more like the Masada, I'll get one. Otherwise, I'll stick with my M4. /SIGH 
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