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Posted: 5/21/2022 12:28:59 PM EDT
Starting to get into the bolt gun arena. Are mount like Larue and ADM qd mounts to high for a bolt gun or do they make models that shit low enough on a base?
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Posted: 5/21/2022 12:47:59 PM EDT
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Larue makes QD low rings: https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-ultra-low-mount-rings-qd-lt719/
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Posted: 5/21/2022 6:51:01 PM EDT
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Don't get QD for a precision bolt gun. There is no need for it and it's better to properly mount the scope and leave it there. It won't be going on and off. Get a good set of rings or a one piece mount and torque it on.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2022 11:56:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cmartinez0316: or do they make models that shit low enough on a base? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 8:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Don't get QD for a precision bolt gun. There is no need for it and it's better to properly mount the scope and leave it there. It won't be going on and off. Get a good set of rings or a one piece mount and torque it on. Been using QD mounts the LaRue ones listed above for years now. Not everyone on this site can afford $1000+ optics on all their rifles or wants to only put a $300 optic on all their rifles. But having a QD mount setup you can have 1 really nice scope for all your rifles. Also if you travel you can remove your optics so they are not damaged by baggage packing crews or stolen. So many reasons to go QD I just do not have all day to post it all. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Been using QD mounts the LaRue ones listed above for years now. Not everyone on this site can afford $1000+ optics on all their rifles or wants to only put a $300 optic on all their rifles. But having a QD mount setup you can have 1 really nice scope for all your rifles. Also if you travel you can remove your optics so they are not damaged by baggage packing crews or stolen. So many reasons to go QD I just do not have all day to post it all. Got nothing to do with the cost of the optics but the secure mounting. Take off a QD over and over and parts wear. If you need to move optics around it's very easy with a set of rings and torque wrench. I do it all the time. There is no good reason to go QD on a precision rifle for me. Go to matches or look at anyone using a precision rifle and you will find very, very few(if any) QD mounts. But your cash and time. Do as you like. And if you're flying then proper packing will not allow damage. I have flown all over the country to matches with optics and never an issue. Got silver medallion one year with Delta and that was over 25,000 miles flown. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2022 7:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Been using QD mounts the LaRue ones listed above for years now. Not everyone on this site can afford $1000+ optics on all their rifles or wants to only put a $300 optic on all their rifles. But having a QD mount setup you can have 1 really nice scope for all your rifles. Also if you travel you can remove your optics so they are not damaged by baggage packing crews or stolen. So many reasons to go QD I just do not have all day to post it all. |
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Posted: 5/23/2022 8:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmartinez0316: This was kinda my mindset, one nicer optic for all my guns that I can easily take off and on. You can easily take off a regular set of rings and have the piece of mind that it will stay there. But in the end it's your money and time and lesson to learn. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 9:03:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Got nothing to do with the cost of the optics but the secure mounting. Take off a QD over and over and parts wear. If you need to move optics around it's very easy with a set of rings and torque wrench. I do it all the time. There is no good reason to go QD on a precision rifle for me. Go to matches or look at anyone using a precision rifle and you will find very, very few(if any) QD mounts. But your cash and time. Do as you like. And if you're flying then proper packing will not allow damage. I have flown all over the country to matches with optics and never an issue. Got silver medallion one year with Delta and that was over 25,000 miles flown. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: Been using QD mounts the LaRue ones listed above for years now. Not everyone on this site can afford $1000+ optics on all their rifles or wants to only put a $300 optic on all their rifles. But having a QD mount setup you can have 1 really nice scope for all your rifles. Also if you travel you can remove your optics so they are not damaged by baggage packing crews or stolen. So many reasons to go QD I just do not have all day to post it all. Got nothing to do with the cost of the optics but the secure mounting. Take off a QD over and over and parts wear. If you need to move optics around it's very easy with a set of rings and torque wrench. I do it all the time. There is no good reason to go QD on a precision rifle for me. Go to matches or look at anyone using a precision rifle and you will find very, very few(if any) QD mounts. But your cash and time. Do as you like. And if you're flying then proper packing will not allow damage. I have flown all over the country to matches with optics and never an issue. Got silver medallion one year with Delta and that was over 25,000 miles flown. Genuinely curious here, if there's some reason why a set of rings wouldn't wear but a QD mount will? |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 9:22:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mi650: Genuinely curious here, if there's some reason why a set of rings wouldn't wear but a QD mount will? It's not the rings themselves but the way they connect. Torquing down the bolt or torx on a ring or mount is going to be consistent over and over. The tightening handles on a QD will wear being opened and closed. Fine for an AR but not a precision rifle. But again, your money and choice. I would never put QD on a precision rifle especially one I will be moving the scope around. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 9:47:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmartinez0316: This was kinda my mindset, one nicer optic for all my guns that I can easily take off and on. I have been doing this for awhile I also sold off a lot of mid range optics and reduced my overall number of optics. It also has the added benefit if you are going to go all MRAD or all MOA, one reticle to learn, and also the cost benefit. I always wanted nice high end scopes for all my rifles but following a optic for each path that was just impossible as I cannot afford $1000+ optic for each rifle I own but I can afford a single $1000 plus optic and a high quality QD mount for the optics. I have managed to reduce my optics to a prism 5x optic, a LPVO, a high power scope for flat top rifles(AR/SCAR), high power optic for bolt/traditional stock rifles, and a few red dots. I am currently saving for a high end red dot like a Aimpoint T2 to replace my PRO. After that I plan to save up to get a ACOG to replace my PA prism optic. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 12:48:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mi650]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: It's not the rings themselves but the way they connect. Torquing down the bolt or torx on a ring or mount is going to be consistent over and over. The tightening handles on a QD will wear being opened and closed. Fine for an AR but not a precision rifle. But again, your money and choice. I would never put QD on a precision rifle especially one I will be moving the scope around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By mi650: Genuinely curious here, if there's some reason why a set of rings wouldn't wear but a QD mount will? It's not the rings themselves but the way they connect. Torquing down the bolt or torx on a ring or mount is going to be consistent over and over. The tightening handles on a QD will wear being opened and closed. Fine for an AR but not a precision rifle. But again, your money and choice. I would never put QD on a precision rifle especially one I will be moving the scope around. I can see that happening, eventually. I suspect it's going to take an awful lot of on/off. I also suspect the same thing would happen with rings, given enough swapping around. I can't speak to other manufacturers, buy if you wear out an LT mount, Mark LaRue will replace it. And no, I don't use QD on any of my bolt guns. I did have a set of LT rings on a hunting rifle, but they were VFZ. ETA: I don't swap optics around between rifles, either. If I did, I'd want some kind of quality QD. |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 6:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mi650: I can see that happening, eventually. I suspect it's going to take an awful lot of on/off. I also suspect the same thing would happen with rings, given enough swapping around. I can't speak to other manufacturers, buy if you wear out an LT mount, Mark LaRue will replace it. And no, I don't use QD on any of my bolt guns. I did have a set of LT rings on a hunting rifle, but they were VFZ. ETA: I don't swap optics around between rifles, either. If I did, I'd want some kind of quality QD. It won't happen with rings as there is no metal on metal rubbing to clamp on like QD. I have rings that have been on scopes for a decade and moved around to many rifles and still hold tight. And there is no NASCAR pit crew race to change a scope. Takes all of a couple minutes with a wrench to swap over. Thinking QD is some game changer is laughable. Larue replacing them is great but you have to wait to use the scope then. Honestly guys use WTF you want. Just trying to help you not make a mistake but as they say you can lead that horse to water........ |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 6:19:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mi650: I can see that happening, eventually. I suspect it's going to take an awful lot of on/off. I also suspect the same thing would happen with rings, given enough swapping around. I can't speak to other manufacturers, buy if you wear out an LT mount, Mark LaRue will replace it. And no, I don't use QD on any of my bolt guns. I did have a set of LT rings on a hunting rifle, but they were VFZ. ETA: I don't swap optics around between rifles, either. If I did, I'd want some kind of quality QD. I have two larue qd mounts, the one on my super duty seems to have a fraction of play that I can't get tight |
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Posted: 5/24/2022 6:19:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
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Just use quality rings with recoil lugs and a good torque driver... the mounting will be repeatable.
Another good option, albeit not particularly lightweight, are Talley and Warne QD rings. They’re quality, but vertically split sintered steel so not as light as something like some 7075AL rings. Both get low and have QD levers. If you repeatably tighten the levers, POI will be repeatable as well. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2022 11:49:28 AM EDT
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While I do agree soilid mounts will retorque more accurately with the use of a torque wrench vs a QD mount. The cross bolt studs in rings do stretch over time and will shear off if it's over torqued.
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Posted: 6/5/2022 4:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MunnyShot: While I do agree soilid mounts will retorque more accurately with the use of a torque wrench vs a QD mount. The cross bolt studs in rings do stretch over time and will shear off if it's over torqued. And why you torque properly. If so then no issues. I have rings that are 15 years old and have been on and off rifles hundreds of time. No stretching or breaking. |
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Posted: 6/10/2022 1:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: And why you torque properly. If so then no issues. I have rings that are 15 years old and have been on and off rifles hundreds of time. No stretching or breaking. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By MunnyShot: While I do agree soilid mounts will retorque more accurately with the use of a torque wrench vs a QD mount. The cross bolt studs in rings do stretch over time and will shear off if it's over torqued. And why you torque properly. If so then no issues. I have rings that are 15 years old and have been on and off rifles hundreds of time. No stretching or breaking. This torque specs are specs for a reason steel has an elastic range where when release it will return to its original shape and when you push past that range into the plastic range then you get permanent deformation. Think of head bolts on a car engine and why you do not reuse them part of the torqueing of these bolts is the stretch them. |
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Posted: 6/10/2022 6:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: This torque specs are specs for a reason steel has an elastic range where when release it will return to its original shape and when you push past that range into the plastic range then you get permanent deformation. Think of head bolts on a car engine and why you do not reuse them part of the torqueing of these bolts is the stretch them. Not head bolts. Rings. No issues. |
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Posted: 6/12/2022 5:05:42 AM EDT
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No comment on what's better or what works, my only comment....I would get tired as shit of having to re-sight in every rifle every damn time I wanted to shoot it...
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