User Panel
Posted: 3/13/2023 10:20:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kotengu1]
The best place to learn all the details about this year's match is on the Facebook Event Page at https://www.facebook.com/events/1271554906822529/- but I totally get that we have several people who (rightly) hate Facebook, so I'll repost what I think are the important points here for non-FBers. Don't be shy if you have questions or if I've left anything out.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Intro: The 2023 Legion Memorial Run N Gun is a centerfire biathlon – competitors will complete a 5k-ish or 10k-ish wilderness trail run combined with a shooting competition. The event is a test of man and equipment alike. It is intended to give participants an idea of how being hot, cold, exhausted, and challenged by the environment affects their shooting, and to test the effectiveness of their gear under field conditions. This event is not intended for inexperienced shooters – all participants are expected to be familiar with the operation of their firearms, and to observe basic principles of firearm safety at all times. With the exception of emergencies, Range Officers (ROs) are not allowed to help participants in any way. Good attitudes are a must. If you are the type of person who gets upset when minor changes are made to a plan or when you don’t always get your way, this is not the event for you. Basics: Participants will receive both a score for their run based on how long it took them to complete the course, and a score for their shooting based on how long it took them to clear each course of fire. The run score and shooting score will be equally weighted in determining the participant’s final score. This is true run-what-you-brung field-style shooting. For the most part, if you want to carry it for 5 or 10 clicks, be our guest. There are two equipment classes to reflect the different ways Green Berets fight: “Lightfighter” in which you can carry whatever you want, but are limited to one pistol and one rifle; or “Operator” in which you must FINISH the race with a pack weighing at least 45 lbs (not including your main rifle, pistol, and belt/chest rig) – but that pack may (and should) contain ANYTHING that can give you an advantage. The only limit is that pistol targets must be engaged with pistol rounds, and rifle targets must be engaged with rifle rounds. Want to carry a PCC? Be our guest. Think a scoped bolt gun or different upper in 6.5 Creedmore will give you an advantage? Go for it. You can even carry a shotgun to engage steel pistol targets if you want (birdshot only). Any weapons carried must be IN ADDITION to a primary rifle and pistol, and weight of the pack MAY include the weight of armor plates if you want to either wear or carry them in the pack. Packs may be removed prior to shooting, as that is how 5th Group would generally do it as well – but this will be done on your run time and BEFORE any wait time starts. The Team Night Match will have no equipment divisions. Anything you want to carry for the entire course and that will not damage props/targets or cause a safety issue is allowed. Shooters are expected to have all their firearms sighted in and all their gear ready to go on the morning of the shoot. There will be no zeroing at the event. Think of this as a test of how you and your equipment would perform in a Second Amendment situation if you had to go take care of business at your current state of readiness, whatever that is. Run order will be more or less random. We will try to be accommodating to participants who wish to share firearms or equipment (we can have one person run in the morning and the other in the afternoon), or to partners who wish to run together. Due to issues with back-ups and large groups in the past, only two runners can start together. Equipment: The only equipment that is strictly required to participate is a safe center fire rifle, a safe center fire pistol, enough ammo to clear the course (at least twice the minimum required hit count is recommended), eye protection, ear protection, and some form of stopwatch. Rifle targets must be engaged with rifle rounds (no larger than 30-06), and pistol targets must be engaged with pistol rounds. In everything but the “Tier One” class, competitors must carry one rifle and one pistol. Everything else is up to the participant. Shooters may use any type of gear they want to carry their equipment with, the only requirement being that pistols must be carried in a secure holster that covers the trigger if they are to be carried loaded. Rifles may be carried any way you like, as long as they remain pointed in a safe direction. You may not use tracers or armor piercing bullets that have a hardened penetrator core, as we will be using lots of steel targets that we don’t want to see damaged. To be safe – if your bullet attracts a magnet or has a green tip, leave it at home. Rules: First and foremost, all participants will be expected to comply with basic firearms safety at all times. If you demonstrate inability or unwillingness to follow basic firearm safety, you will be asked to leave, with no refund and no apology. Muzzles must be pointed in a safe direction at all times, and fingers must be off the trigger unless the firearm is pointed at a target. Long guns shall only be loaded when a shooter is at a rifle stage, after the RO has given the “fire” command. Shooters may leave their handguns loaded at all times if in a secure holster. However, loaded handguns must remain in that holster unless the shooter has been given the “fire” command on a shooting stage. Some stages will be active, involving moving and shooting. Firearms may remain loaded during movement, but strict muzzle discipline must be maintained. Shooters will be disqualified (DQ’d) and not allowed to finish the course for the following violations: having a loaded rifle anywhere EXCEPT on a shooting stage after the “beep”, dropping a loaded pistol, pointing a loaded weapon at someone, or having a Negligent Discharge (ND). It is solely the judgement of my Staff that I trust if these should occur, and if you argue with an RO you will lose. Procedures: When a shooter approaches a station, he will be required to show the RO an empty mag well and empty chamber on his long gun(s). If another shooter is currently on the stage when he arrives, the one who just arrived will be instructed by the RO to start his stopwatch to keep track of his wait time (this will be subtracted off the participant’s run time when his run score is calculated). It is purely the shooter’s responsibility to keep track of his wait time. The ROs have no responsibility whatsoever to help you do this. Even if an RO offers to help you keep track of your time, you have no one but yourself to blame if this is not done. When the shooter is ready to shoot the stage, the RO will record his wait time if any. The shooter will be given a quick summary of the course of fire. The RO will ask if the shooter understands the course of fire. If the answer is yes, the shooter will be given the “fire” command, at which time he may load his rifle and/or draw his pistol and begin shooting the stage. All stages will have a zone where the shooter must fire from -- either a particular hole in a barricade that you must shoot through, or a marked zone on the ground, in which every part of your body or equipment which touches the ground must remain inside of when you fire. Hits made from outside the designated area will not count toward completion of the course of fire. Every shooting stage will have a 3 minute time limit. This is to keep the runners moving and to prevent large backups of shooters waiting to shoot a stage. At the end of that 3 minute period, the shooter will be stopped and time penalties applied to their score for any target not fully neutralized as per the course of fire requirements. If for any reason the “cease fire” command is given, you will immediately cease fire, holster your handgun, and unload your rifle. You will do likewise when you complete a stage, or time out. The RO should tell you your time for the stage. The RO will record your time on their iPad. You may want to carry a pen and notepad to keep track of your score in there is a mix-up with the scoring. Every shooter must show the RO an empty mag well and chamber on his rifle before leaving each stage. The RO will give directions on where to go to continue down the trail. Shooters are NOT required to leave their rifle’s bolt open during the run… this is actually discouraged, as it will allow lots of that beautiful Tennessee red clay to accumulate inside the action. There will be ample opportunity for this to happen on the course. The Run: The path for participants to follow will be marked with brightly colored flags and/or tape. Shooters must stay close to the marked path. Do not cut corners. Failure to follow the marked trail may take you into the impact area of a hot range!!! If the trail takes you through some difficult terrain, this is on purpose! Parts of the trail may be down a road. Keep to the left edge of the road and watch for traffic. Your Fitness: This event is in a remote area, and you need to be aware of over-exertion. We should have some folks with medical skills on hand, but your health is your responsibility. If you start having problems, slow down... drink some water... listen to your body! There is no shame in walking the course; know yourself and your limitations. Accommodations: Dead Zero Shooting Park is in a remote area south of Spencer, TN, so lodging may be challenging. Primitive camping will be allowed on-site for $10/night. Call Dead Zero at 423-800-7758 to make a reservation to camp. A Hotel/Lodge, Cabins and campgrounds with full hookups are available at Fall Creek Falls State Park about 15 miles away, but the Mountaineer Folk Festival is being held there this weekend so most of these sites are booked well in advance. The city of Dunlap is less than 20 miles to the south and has a couple hotels, restaurants, and a Walmart. The cities of Chattanooga and Cookeville are within about 40 miles and have all sorts of nicer options for food and lodging. There will be people on site all day Friday, as the ROs will be running the course. Registration for the day matches open at 6:30 a.m. and closes at 7:30 a.m on the morning of the match. The safety briefing begins at 7:30 a.m. Anyone who does not get signed in by 7:30 will not be allowed to participate, so be on time. The first runner will be sent out at 8:00 a.m., and another runner will be sent out in a uniform interval thereafter. The ROs will have run the course the day before. They will be scored along with all the other contestants. After the last runner has crossed the finish line, we will calculate the results. The winners will be announced, and trophies and prizes will be awarded as 5th Group sees fit. How to Sign Up: The registration fee for the Legion 9/11 Memorial Run N Gun is $150 for the 5k, $200 for the 10k, and $500 per team for the Team Night Match ($250/person). Registration will be limited in number so all runners can finish the course before dark. Registration will be handled through Practiscore, Dead Zero will have you sign a waiver the morning of the match, and we will collect full payment (CASH or CHECK ONLY – NO CREDIT/DEBIT CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED AND THERE IS NO ATM ONSITE - Edit: payment may be online, we're currently investigating this) the morning of the match. Make sure you are familiar with all of our rules and procedures before signing up. All participants must register under their true names. Tickets are non-transferable. Pre-registration is mandatory, and no walk-ons will be allowed on match day as space and time is limited. Several discounted slots are being held for active-duty 5th Group personnel. If you are 5th Group, please email [email protected] to confirm your status and claim your reduced competitor slot. All proceeds from the match will go the Special Forces Association, Chapter 38. Learn more about them here: http://sfa38.org/ Cancellation Policy: Please cancel your registration through Practiscore as soon as you know you can’t come. We always have several people on the waitlist, and if you don’t cancel early enough not only can they not get in, but the Special Forces Association won’t max out the contribution we can make to them. DON’T BE THAT GUY who just decides not to show up and doesn’t tell anyone. Directions: The start and finish line are both located near the Pro Shop at Dead Zero Shooting Park, 1195 TN-111 Scenic, Spencer, TN 38585. Chattanooga, TN has a small airport and is less than an hour’s drive from Dead Zero. Nashville International Airport is a little under two hours’ drive. Pictures, as always, by Lisa Stennett |
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Ladies and gentlemen: we are now 180 days out from match day.
Work has started on our end - has it started for you??? Here's a 5 minute reminder of the kinds of things you might see this year: 2022 Legion Memorial Run N Gun Official Video |
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I am saddened beyond words (and dumbfounded, and angry, and so many other things I can't even comprehend right now) to share that we lost Trevor Graves last week. Trevor was a 5th Special Forces Group Captain and cofounder of the Legion Memorial Run N Gun, and a huge positive influence on so many people from so many different walks of life I don't think we'll ever truly know how wide his reach was.
Everyone around him is struggling right now, but understands there are hundreds (thousands?) of people who want to do SOMETHING to show their support - so they set up the gofundme below. I want to write more, but this is all I can do right now. More to come as we get through this. https://www.gofundme.com/f/the-trevor-graves-fund |
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Literally every single person who has been involved with this match has told us we don't charge enough. Between that and selling out in under a minute yet again last year, we are listening and raising the match fees this year to try to raise as much money as we can to help our friends from the 5th Special Forces Group.
Match Fees for 2023 are as follows: 5k: $150 10k: $200 Team Night Match: $500 ($250/shooter) |
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Registration will open at 10:00am Central Time on Saturday, June 10th. This is 90 days before match day, and should give you plenty of time to train up and find make travel plans. Lodging is limited in this area and there is another event at the nearby State Park this weekend, so secure lodging ASAP or you might end up camping onsite ($10/night - purely primitive camping).
This is the 5k registration link: https://practiscore.com/5k-legion-9-11-memorial-run-n-gun-2023/register This is the 10k registration link: https://practiscore.com/10k-legion-memorial-run-n-gun-2023/register This is the Team Night Match registration link: https://practiscore.com/team-night-match-legion-memorial-run-n-gun-2023/register Competitors will only be allowed to register for ONE match at this time to allow as many different people in as possible. If you register for more than one, I'm going to delete it. If there are openings as we get closer to match day, we may allow multiple match entries. The past several years this match has sold out in under one minute. If you want in, make plans to be near a computer and hitting the "refresh" key repeatedly right at 10:00am on June 10th. If you don't get in - be sure to get on the waitlist as I'm holding several slots for active duty 5SFG that may become available to the public at the last minute. Approved staff should have just received an email with instructions on how to register ahead of the masses. Let me know if you think you're staff but haven't received this. |
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Pete Jones with Alan's Arsenal LLC has been a huge Legion supporter every year since our very first match. I'm thrilled (and not surprised) to announce that he's returning for a SEVENTH year as a title sponsor!
If you need anything gun part related, please look to https://alansarsenal.3dcartstores.com/ first. Support those who support us! |
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I am thrilled to share that Spike's Tactical is returning again as a title sponsor this year. They have been a big supporter since day one, and we're thankful to have them come back yet again!
If you ever are in the market for a great AR, be sure to start at https://www.spikestactical.com/ |
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I am happy to share that Bachstein Consulting LLC has confirmed they are in as a Stage Sponsor this year. Bachstein Consulting offers a unique assortment of skills from engineering design, contract submissions, project management, test and evaluation, and quality assurance. They have years of experience in the firearms industry and government test centers. Check them out at: https://bachsteinconsulting.com/
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I am pleased to share that Tomahawk Strategic Solutions is returning this year as a Stage Sponsor.
Tomahawk creates programs to better prepare your organization for evolving threats and emergency situations. Tomahawk personnel include Special Operations Forces (SOF) operators, corporate security experts, SWAT/ESU/Patrol officers (retired and active) hand-selected for their specialized skills and experience, and medical professionals. Check them out at: https://tomahawkstrategicsolutions.com/ |
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I am excited to welcome Nocturnality Night Vision Devices to the fold as an Obstacle Sponsor. Nocturnality is donating a White Phosphor PVS14 ($3,699 retail value) for us to raffle off at the match! Must be present to win - and the raffle will be drawn at the awards ceremony for the Team Night Match.
We still have a few slots left for the night match. Register here: https://practiscore.com/team-night-match-legion-memorial-run-n-gun-2023/register You don't have to be a night competitor to win, but you DO have to stay up all night and physically be at the night awards ceremony. Oh yeah - and have the winning ticket. How bad do you want it??? Check out Nocturnality for all your night vision and training needs at: https://www.nocturnalitygear.com/ |
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Innovative Targets has helped us with this match since the beginning, and I'm excited to announce Jason Agee has increased his support this year to the biggest level yet - supplying $2,400 in targetry to help us make the match flow better and do everything we can to minimize wait times while still providing interesting and challenging target presentations.
Definitely check out https://innovativetargets.net/ for any steel target needs you have! |
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I don't normally like hidden target stages in a match, but this is such a real world skill Green Berets use we can't ignore it. The honoree for this stage is Billy Waugh, who spent most of his career finding and eliminating targets over a span of several decades - from Vietnam all the way to deploying to Afghanistan at the age of 71 (and further!). We lost Billy in April of this year at the age of 94. Read more about him here, or from MANY different books that tell about just parts of his amazing life: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Waugh
In this stage: Find and eliminate targets. As in the real world, some targets will be obvious and easy to see/hit. Some will be much more difficult. Use all your tools to figure it out. |
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I am happy to report Glockstore Nashville has signed on as a Vendor Level Sponsor and is not only bringing $2,000 worth of product for the prize tables, but also one of their trainers to compete for them!
If you have a Glock (or if you NEED a Glock!) and are anywhere near Nashville, you need to get to Glockstore! https://www.glockstore.com/gsntn.html |
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Samson Manufacturing has been a sponsor since the beginning, and Bryan Ray and Brian Vaught were instrumental in getting me "in" at Rockcastle to do this crazy thing we do the very first year. So it is fair to say that the Briyans and Samson made RNG east of the Mississippi possible!
Not only that, but they are bringing $2,000 worth of product to the prize table this year! Samson does so much so support the shooting sports of ALL kinds - be sure to look to them first when you need great handguards or other gear! Check them out at: https://www.samson-mfg.com/ |
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Stage 3 will honor MSG David Thuma, who after an amazing career full of accomplishments, died unexpectedly from a heart attack during morning PT in June of 1998. Some 5th Group Soldiers die in training - not just on the battlefield. Sometimes terrible things happen close to home too, and I think the surprise and shock of this almost makes it worse.
Read more about MSG Thuma's impressive career and life here: https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=BattleMemoryExt&ID=115120 In this stage: resupply ammo to your teammates while knocking back enemy attack. (HQ1SG) |
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I am happy to announce RnG Tactics has joined on as a sponsor, and will be providing almost $1,000 worth of product for the prize table! Check them out at https://rngtactics.com/
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In another effort to raise funds for the Special Forces Association, Chpt 38 - we are auctioning off ONE of the SF slots for each day match to the general public. Whether you're on the waitlist or not - you can buy your way into the match with a big enough donation. This will be a blind auction. Send your highest bid to [email protected] and note whether you want the 5k slot or the 10k slot.
Full disclosure: we'll give away any extra SF slots this weekend to those on the waitlist, in the order you signed up. So you MIGHT get in anyway if you don't bid. But you might not. The only way to ensure a match slot at this point is to bid high! We're cutting the bidding off at 11:59pm Central Time this Thursday, August 24th. Jay and I will evaluate the bids and notify the winners this Friday. Note the match fees are $150 for the 5k and $200 for the 10k. Any bids lower than that will be ignored. |
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I am happy to report that HOIST has joined back in as a sponsor this year, and has provided an "IV Level Hydration" drink for every single competitor. Not only is this GREAT stuff, but they support the military in big ways.
Would you rather receive your free Hoist during registration, so you can do with it what you please? Or in a big iced down tub at the finish line as a reward for finishing the match (and to help your recovery!)? How many matches have you seen the other drink makers support? None. Buy Hoist whenever you can to support those who support us - most Food Lion and Food City stores stock it now, and some WalMarts. You can also buy online at: https://drinkhoist.com/ |
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Just a reminder of some important things regarding our rules:
Shooters will be disqualified (DQ’d) and not allowed to finish the course for the following violations: having a loaded rifle anywhere EXCEPT on a shooting stage after the “beep”, dropping a loaded pistol, pointing a loaded weapon at someone, or having a Negligent Discharge (ND). It is solely the judgement of my Staff that I trust if these should occur, so don't get close and there won't be an issue. Your score will be 50% how fast you run and 50% how fast you shoot. Each shooting score will be how fast you finish the stage with penalties added in for any targets not fully neutralized (or non-threats hit). Any questions??? |
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I am thrilled to share that Aero Precision (https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/) is returning as a Stage Sponsor and providing around $8,000 worth of product for the prize table! Be sure to buy all your Aero gear through Alan's Arsenal LLC (https://alansarsenal.3dcartstores.com/) to maximize the payback we give to these companies for helping!
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Alan's Arsenal will be raffling off this one-of-a-kind rifle at the match this year. Last year we were able to raise over $2,000 for the Special Forces Association, Chapter 38 raffling off our last build.
This rifle features an unreleased cerakote Patriotic Pattern on Aero Precision upper and lower receivers, making this gun truly one of a kind. Also features a Ballistic Advantage fluted barrel, flame anodized Coda muzzle brake, Odin Works extended mag release, custom cerakote Magpul grip and stock, Aero Precision bolt carrier group and BREACH Charging Handle, and Timney Triggers Daniel Horner Signature AR trigger. Will also come with Spikes Tactical sights (not pictured). Tickets will be on sale for $20 a piece, or you can get 6 tickets for $100. You do NOT have to be present to win, and you can even buy tickets online here: https://alansarsenal.3dcartstores.com/search.asp?keyword=Raffle&search=Search&_hPmUAu6JuKm897uDkDwt2IMta2Sjx3BOhbVrNJcgcyyHPA Or of course you can buy tickets at the match. Drawing will be held Sunday night. Pics of the rifle below! |
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The generosity keeps on coming! Zechariah Nelson, from Forged in Fire (Season 8, Episode 42) and also a longtime Legion RNGer, is donating a BEAUTIFUL one of a kind damascus blade he made in the model of the Roman wooden rudis that 5th Group gives its soldiers when they retire (and that we give for some trophies at Legion RNG matches).
Raffle tickets will be $10 each, and you can only purchase them at the match from Zechariah (he'll have a booth set up). The drawing will be Sunday night at the 10k awards ceremony. You do not have to be present to win, and all the proceeds go to SFA38. Video of blade: https://i.imgur.com/6QEU2sI.mp4 |
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This year's official match video is finally up! It's impossible to fit three days with this much intensity into a 5 minute promo video without it feeling rushed. But hopefully it gets across the almost frantic feeling of being there!
Share it with your family and friends to give them just a taste of what you did last weekend. Share it to give the sponsors some additional love and attention. But most importantly, share it to help remember the eight men we honored this year. Continue to say their names out loud and speak their stories any chance you get. 2023 Legion Memorial Run N Gun Official Match Video |
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From Lisa (my dear wife, the photographer):
2023 Legion Memorial Run N Gun photos are up. This year, I was fortunate enough to have a helper on the course taking pictures with me. My daughter joined me for the weekend, so there are more photos than usual to browse through. If you find pictures of yourself, keep looking - there may be more in the album somewhere. (Edit to add: I, as well as my 'helper'/daughter, appreciate you all tolerating our presence on the course. Over the years, these matches have proven to be a great outlet for practicing and learning different photography skill sets. This year, my take-away lesson from shooting Legion would be to pay better attention to my shutter speed, which in turn drives my ISO setting, in different conditions. Here's to grainy photos and lessons learned.) I would recommend viewing and downloading from a laptop or desktop computer as using devices can be problematic. Share and enjoy your photos with family and friends. You must contact me and obtain permissions before any use of these photos for commercial or monetary purposes. Friday pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lstennett/albums/72177720311191526 Saturday pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lstennett/albums/72177720311230563 Sunday pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lstennett/albums/72177720311247340 |
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And surely everyone has found them by now, but just in case - scores can be found here:
5k: https://practiscore.com/results/html/0f2a478c-6b92-4527-a76a-161da1a6d444 10k: https://practiscore.com/results/html/92ee34f7-2c42-4dc0-a406-744791059bef Night Team Match: https://practiscore.com/results/html/8303f87a-4327-478c-a225-0e54184afb75 |
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Had an absolute blast at Legion. Will be back next year. Thanks for everyone's hard work putting it on.
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