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Posted: 4/27/2017 8:49:56 PM EDT
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On a whim, have you ever bought a fixer upper 5,700 sq ft house without recently inspecting it, with 3.15 acres of overgrown woods/yard, cistern hand dug into the bedrock, a 50-foot-deep hand dug well, with a creek, a bridge, and a pond that won't hold water? I did and yes it was an unplanned purchase that happened on a whim. Here is the story of what has now become a long-term investment, historic restoration, estate, homestead, outdoor, garden, creek, and pond project.
Lots of pictures and details to come. I will put the backstory in another post after some of the pictures. It will be a wall of text so feel free to ignore it or if you are bored or interested you can read it. It describes how I ended up with the property, the details of the property, problems I found so far, and the various projects that are ongoing. Part of the house dates back to 1789. It has been added on numerous times and then neglected. I've owned the house for 10 months now and other than repairing some serious issues I have really just been evaluating everything about the house. Trying to understand when parts were built, how they were built, when they were upgraded, and problems it might currently have. Now that I have a pretty good understanding of the situation I got myself in, the days are longer and the weather is warmer I have started project after project. If I didn't start this thread now I would be too far down the rabbit hole to ever catch up on everything that happened. TLDR Backstory: A great property that I always liked but figured I would never have the chance to buy nor would I be able to afford it if it did end up for sale ended up being auctioned. I found out with about 2 weeks notice, managed to put together cash for a purchase, bid and won. Part of the house dates back to 1789, addition after addition and even a whole other house, built in 1812, was added in as an addition to the property. The property is 3 blocks from downtown in town but has 3.15 acres, it is the last remaining structure of the man who founded the town, the largest natural spring in Kentucky flows through the back yard, lots of huge trees, and a failed pond depression. The property was preserved but time and rodents have taken a toll. Shady contractors cut a lot of corners and a lot of their work will need to be redone. As to the price, I basically got a good deal on the land and the 5,700 sq ft house was free; that is the type of deal I managed to get. The estimated time to clean up, fix up, and make things nice is in the thousands of hours. That is any major renovations or additions on my part either. That is just fix up, clean up, and restoration of what is already there. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: The logs are all cut. Taking down the sawmill. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_JPG-1908698.jpg Sawmill all packed up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_sawmill_down_JPG-1908697.jpg Lots of sawdust. I fill four of the 42 gallon contract garbage bags with walnut dust and shavings and had 7 wheelbarrows full of cherry sawdust. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_lots_sawdust_JPG-1908696.jpg All cleaned up, except for moving the slabs to a location where I can stick them and let them dry. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_clean_JPG-1908695.jpg I have some 1x6 walnut boards about 14' long and an 8"x8" piece of cherry which will most likely be used for the table legs/supports. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_walnutboards_beam_JPG-1908700.jpg All the slabs except for one which is too wet and heavy to easily move. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/woods_cut_slabs_JPG-1908699.jpg View Quote Swire, those are not directly on the ground are they? Even if not, I think I would treat for termites underneath and around them. |
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wow.
I would make good use out of any of that you don't want. I'm not ready right now, but please holler when you decide what you are going to do and have some leftover. |
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Nice saw milling there SWIRE.
I don't know how close Chambers is to you in Georgetown, but a cabinet shop I worked for about 20 years ago is near there on Midland. Wood Concepts. No idea if they still have the same equipment or not but at one time there was a sliding table saw that could make 8' rips or 4' crosscuts on 4x8 sheets. |
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Originally Posted By M4ger: Nice saw milling there SWIRE. I don't know how close Chambers is to you in Georgetown, but a cabinet shop I worked for about 20 years ago is near there on Midland. Wood Concepts. No idea if they still have the same equipment or not but at one time there was a sliding table saw that could make 8' rips or 4' crosscuts on 4x8 sheets. View Quote Thanks for the info. I will require someone that handle joining big slabs and trying to make it look as seamless as possible. Do you know anyone that has a large planer or sander? I would be talking 48" minimum width and 8 feet long. My hope/plan is to bookmatch top. Taking the bottom of one slab and the top of another should do that. Then cut a straight line off of one side of each, join them, and then run that through a huge planer to get the top perfectly flat. I do have that greenhouse but I did not get it put up this year. It is still in the box and sitting in the yard. I could still get a month benefit from it, so there is still a chance that I get bored and decide to set it up. If not it will have to wait until next March before I do that. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I applied AIR-8 and RGS to the flower beds. I can already tell a difference with the moderate clay level. Those clumps when walked on or hit with a shovel just fall apart now. The deeper dense clay clumps do not show any real change. This is a moderate clay clump that easily broke apart with the shovel. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/claycrumb_JPG-1933485.jpg View Quote Yes. The top few inches of soil aerate fairly quickly. It takes longer to get deeper. More applications AND....the data is still not in from the second year of trials on Air-8. The first year trials showed significant benefit in the top 2-3" of soil with Air-8 alone. It showed significant benefit to deeper layers when Air-8 was combined with mechanical aeration...because of course the soil gets fractured and the Air-8 can get in deeper. The second year will be interesting. We will see if the depth increases with Air-8 alone, and how much. What rate did you apply? And with how much water? |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Yes. The top few inches of soil aerate fairly quickly. It takes longer to get deeper. More applications AND....the data is still not in from the second year of trials on Air-8. The first year trials showed significant benefit in the top 2-3" of soil with Air-8 alone. It showed significant benefit to deeper layers when Air-8 was combined with mechanical aeration...because of course the soil gets fractured and the Air-8 can get in deeper. The second year will be interesting. We will see if the depth increases with Air-8 alone, and how much. What rate did you apply? And with how much water? View Quote I bought the Ortho hose end sprayer was shooting for the 9 ounces per 1000 sq ft but I know I ended up putting it on heavier than that. It got dark and 3 days of rain was in the forecast after that, so I rushed. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: The soil was mechanically aerated down to 16 inches. So I'm hoping that helps. I bought the Ortho hose end sprayer was shooting for the 9 ounces per 1000 sq ft but I know I ended up putting it on heavier than that. It got dark and 3 days of rain was in the forecast after that, so I rushed. View Quote Won't hurt. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Thanks for the info. I will require someone that handle joining big slabs and trying to make it look as seamless as possible. Do you know anyone that has a large planer or sander? I would be talking 48" minimum width and 8 feet long. My hope/plan is to bookmatch top. Taking the bottom of one slab and the top of another should do that. Then cut a straight line off of one side of each, join them, and then run that through a huge planer to get the top perfectly flat. I do have that greenhouse but I did not get it put up this year. It is still in the box and sitting in the yard. I could still get a month benefit from it, so there is still a chance that I get bored and decide to set it up. If not it will have to wait until next March before I do that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By M4ger: Nice saw milling there SWIRE. I don't know how close Chambers is to you in Georgetown, but a cabinet shop I worked for about 20 years ago is near there on Midland. Wood Concepts. No idea if they still have the same equipment or not but at one time there was a sliding table saw that could make 8' rips or 4' crosscuts on 4x8 sheets. Thanks for the info. I will require someone that handle joining big slabs and trying to make it look as seamless as possible. Do you know anyone that has a large planer or sander? I would be talking 48" minimum width and 8 feet long. My hope/plan is to bookmatch top. Taking the bottom of one slab and the top of another should do that. Then cut a straight line off of one side of each, join them, and then run that through a huge planer to get the top perfectly flat. I do have that greenhouse but I did not get it put up this year. It is still in the box and sitting in the yard. I could still get a month benefit from it, so there is still a chance that I get bored and decide to set it up. If not it will have to wait until next March before I do that. I wish I knew of any shop with a 4-5' wide belt sander but the only one I can think off at this moment is the same shop. If I recall correctly, it is a 36" wide belt. |
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The temperatures dropped last week and I applied a second round of AIR-8 and RGS. The AIR-8 definitely works to break down clay. On some of the clay chunks on the surface I can run my hand over them and they crumble and spread like regular dirt. When I dig in the beds it is rare that anything sticks to shovel. It might not sound like much but not having to constantly scrape the shovel clean is a huge time saver.
I also have a temporary solution of getting water from the creek for the gardens. Right now it involves using my generator to power a well pump that pushes water all the way to the cistern by the house. Then a different pump on a timer waters the gardens every morning. The cistern needs filling about once a week. I'm working on a more permanent solution but that might now happen this year. |
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Is there enough difference in the water height at the stream compared to the cistern to make a siphon feasible?
If so a buried line would keep the cistern at the same level as the creek. It's hard to tell what elevation differences there might be from your photos. Your projects are looking good. I'd love to get my hands on a decent bunch of walnut and cherry for projects. It's expensive as hell to get shipped into Maine. |
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The house is about 40 feet above the level of the creek. One of the water hammer type pumps can theoretically push water 7 to 10 feet up for every foot drop. On the best day I have only about a 2 foot drop at the waterfall.
I do have plenty of solar panels but my solar well pump I used last year didn't want to start up this year. I have a pump at the cistern but it is loud and being right next to the house it isn't ideal. What I would like to do is figure out some way to put in a spring house near the creek, that way the water is filtered a little bit and pump/lines would be low enough and enclosed that they wouldn't freeze in the winter. Then any pump noise would be away from the hosue and I would have unlimited water for the yard and gardens. That will be a longer term project though. |
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Can't offer any advice on the tomatoes... but when you give up on them, I can attest that Daylilies seem to do just fine with juglone. Wife has several in a small bed at our entrance and the "mulch" is essentially walnut husks from the overhanging trees.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Since the pool is still down I decided to dig out the foundation for the retaining wall. In doing so I managed to move a bunch of the patio blocks were perfectly level for the pool supports and will need to redo those as well. For the retaining wall I'm look at using the Versa-Lok blocks. They are solid blocks that get pinned together instead of hollow blocks with a lip or that would need to be core filled. Around 350 of the 80lb blocks will be needed for the wall. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/rwall2_JPG-2000335.jpg View Quote I like those versa-lok blocks. You might need some geogrid between the courses. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: There is a big walnut tree between the house and pool It is older and drops limbs every every. I left it due to the size of it and the shade. It just seems wrong to cut down a large old tree just because the walnuts and leaves are a nuisance. However that changed the day when came out to find this. That is a 2 1/2 inch thick concrete table. That table is where we have spent most of the time sitting. There was no wind, just some rain. No other trees lost any branches at all. Once the pool is up this area would be the main sitting area for everyone. I think it is time for this tree to go. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/old_tree_JPG-1999747.jpg View Quote Awww. I know you didn't want to cut it. Probably was damaged by the last windstorm, and the weight of wet bark and leaves was the tipping point. |
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Any of your dirt work near their roots?
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Not for those, they are at the front and front side of the house. All my dirt work is in the back yard. I haven't made any type of changes up there or even applied any type of weed killer. View Quote Kallnojoy asked the question I was going to ask. You're going to lose that one walnut I'm afraid. Can't tell enough about the other trees. I'd be tempted to take off a limb and see what the cross section looks like. Look here |
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The most frustrating aspect of my project house is that the house is where my time and effort is needed but it is the trees and grounds that take up most of it. I would just like to have a back yard that is nice to look at and I could relax in. Not one swarmed by mosquitoes, invasive honeysuckle and tree of heaven everywhere, branches falling and busting a 2 1/2" thick concrete table that I usually sit at, walnut trees killing off everything else, a creek eating away at trees and bridge...etc.
I am making a lot of progress and there are rare times where I actually get to enjoy the yard now. The progress is very slow going at least for what I had hoped for. Every time I get one task done I seem to end up with 2 more on my list. |
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It seems to me that God has clearly shown you where you need to be focusing your time and energy. Might as well get it over with whether it is your primary area of interest or not.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your journey btw. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: On the trees that seem to be dying, I have three that seem to be affected. Two are walnuts and one is a sycamore. The second walnut is the one behind the house that just lost a branch. I put my drone up to get a better look at it and one main branch looks like the walnut that is dying with only a small amount of leaves on it. This picture is from May 2019. All the trees have a full canopy and are looking great. The areas in yellow are the trees that now have very few leaves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/trees_May_2019_h_JPG-2017667.jpg Now in 2021 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/trees_July_2021_JPG-2017672.jpg Sycamore, left side of the picture above. Also look behind it, more orange/red. That is another cluster of the tree of heaven that I need to remove. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/sycamore2_JPG-2017668.jpg Walnut, right side of the top picture. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/walnut_dead1_JPG-2017669.jpg Walnut that is behind the house. The backside looked ok but the front side in the middle of the picture you can see dead branches and lighter green smaller leaves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/walnut_dead_back_JPG-2017670.jpg View Quote Ailanthus altissima is crap and all needs to go away. I feel your pain on that. Did you take a look at that link for the walnut disease? I don't know that's what it is, but it pinged for me. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Did you take a look at that link for the walnut disease? I don't know that's what it is, but it pinged for me. View Quote I did look at the link. So far I haven't seen the signs of the beetle or the disease but I haven't gotten up into the walnut tree that is dying off. The pictures of trees with the disease match but I'm assuming any walnut tree dying off is going to look like that. I plan to contact my local extension office and let them know. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I did look at the link. So far I haven't seen the signs of the beetle or the disease but I haven't gotten up into the walnut tree that is dying off. The pictures of trees with the disease match but I'm assuming any walnut tree dying off is going to look like that. I plan to contact my local extension office and let them know. View Quote To an extent you are right, but larvae destroying the cambium layer has a "look" to it...with the canopy thinning. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I was able to get on my roof and use a pole saw to cut a couple branches. I'm not seeing any signs of cankers but I will take them to the extension office to have them look at it. I have a branch with some odd holes into the bark but they are too big to be the beetle. The second picture has some type of damage, it could be old cankers but I didn't see any that were new. The last picture is splitting bark but walnuts sort of that type of bark so maybe it is normal. What is interesting is the walnut branches with the small deformed leaves those leaves look exactly like the deformed leaves on a tomato plant in heavy juglone soil. In both cases something is cutting off water and nutrients to the leaves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/wal1_JPG-2021056.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/wal2_JPG-2021055.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/wal3_JPG-2021054.jpg View Quote If something is cutting off water and nutrients to the leaves of a tree, something is damaging the cambium layer, where water and food flow. There is some kind of borer activity in your trees. Borer meaning....they are tunneling through the cambium and destroying it. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: If something is cutting off water and nutrients to the leaves of a tree, something is damaging the cambium layer, where water and food flow. There is some kind of borer activity in your trees. Borer meaning....they are tunneling through the cambium and destroying it. View Quote Exactly what I was thinking. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I dropped the branches off with the horticulturalist at the extension office. She looked at my pictures and didn't think it was thousand cankers but will send the branches off to the lab at UK for testing. It will take a couple of weeks to get the results from the lab. She saw a picture I had of a cross section of a smaller branch with a black center. I thought maybe that was just the darker color wood that walnuts have but she said it is a sign of the branch dying. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/decay_JPG-2021363.jpg View Quote Yeah, that center circle MIGHT (might) be okay. But those other marks...not... I'm watching for what you find out. My walnut trees are not that far from yours, in reality. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: I'm watching for what you find out. My walnut trees are not that far from yours, in reality. View Quote If they find anything I will post it here. So far it is only walnuts right around the house. There is another large walnut right next to the 2/3 dead one and the branches intertwine but it seems fine this year. Where I dug a trench for the solar conduit goes between both trees. The arborist at the extension office thought might be a cause but I doubt it. The trench goes next to the house and away from tree that is dying, so there would have been very little root damage. The tree that is alive had a lot more potential for root damage. I have at least 20 walnut trees on the property. I'm already have a long list of trees that need to be removed and really hope those do not get added to it. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: If they find anything I will post it here. So far it is only walnuts right around the house. There is another large walnut right next to the 2/3 dead one and the branches intertwine but it seems fine this year. Where I dug a trench for the solar conduit goes between both trees. The arborist at the extension office thought might be a cause but I doubt it. The trench goes next to the house and away from tree that is dying, so there would have been very little root damage. The tree that is alive had a lot more potential for root damage. I have at least 20 walnut trees on the property. I'm already have a long list of trees that need to be removed and really hope those do not get added to it. View Quote Yeah. We have 14. I don't want to lose them. |
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Once the base row is leveled up, the rest is gravy. I hate leveling up them 80 #ers.
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Originally Posted By Buckshot4U: Once the base row is leveled up, the rest is gravy. I hate leveling up them 80 #ers. View Quote Yeah, leveling an 80# block within 1/16 of an inch while basing it on 3/4" stone is interesting. It is a skill and takes a good eye. Now that I'm done I've gotten pretty good at it, which is how most my skills go. Also having the correct size deadblow hammer would have been useful. The largest size the stores carry is just under 4 pounds and the recommended size was an 8 pound hammer. |
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We used those same blocks for a wall at my dad's place. A few hands definitely help speed things up. It would have taken much longer with one person so I feel for you
We ended up filling them with concrete. Do you plan on doing that? |
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Around here defoliated walnut trees are usually attributed to bagworms. Not sure if you all get those, but they love walnut and persimmon.
I have a tree that was covered in them last year, that has hardly any leaves at all this year. Maybe some other type of caterpillar? |
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