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A related question, I have a Prosine 2.0 that is now giving me a "memory fault error". Is this something simple or will it be big bucks shipping it back to Prosine so *they* can do something simple?
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My in-laws repair generators daily, but it looks like it'd cost me about $500 in equipment I'd never use again...
I have a 15,000 watt GenPro that I'd love it check too, for the house backup. Ambien Walrus will be claim to another victim here eventually |
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5. Honda EU2000i, A 1600 watt (cont) inverter generator that is the defacto standard for clean power and low fuel consumption. But how good is it really? View Quote We went through several EU2000i models at work, and they all leaked gas badly and were hard to start. Three of them needed new inverters and two used a lot of oil probably from all of the starter fluid we had to use to get them to start. I'd recommend buying nearly anything else besides a Honda.z |
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What if you hooked a ProSine 2.0 Inverter up to a dirty power generator like the Coleman sited. Would the power coming out the inverter be cleaned up to look like it didn't see the original dirty power from the power source generator.
I have a Ridgid 5000Watt gas engine gen bought from HD that I suspect puts out dirty power. Probably be better to sell it but was wondering if I could clean it up by running thru a quality inverter. Thanks |
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Thanks OP!
ETA: No pictures, but a friend bought one of the Sportsman generators from Home Depot late last year when they were on sale. He told me that it generates horrible RFI - about an S6 with HF radios. He then used an iPower generator (Honda clone) that was bought on Amazon and no RFI. |
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A related question, I have a Prosine 2.0 that is now giving me a "memory fault error". Is this something simple or will it be big bucks shipping it back to Prosine so *they* can do something simple? View Quote Most are later model units made after Xantrex lowered their quality standards. |
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Details on 1300V differential probe. View Quote Probe |
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Quoted: We went through several EU2000i models at work, and they all leaked gas badly and were hard to start. Three of them needed new inverters and two used a lot of oil probably from all of the starter fluid we had to use to get them to start. I'd recommend buying nearly anything else besides a Honda.z View Quote |
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What if you hooked a ProSine 2.0 Inverter up to a dirty power generator like the Coleman sited. Would the power coming out the inverter be cleaned up to look like it didn't see the original dirty power from the power source generator. I have a Ridgid 5000Watt gas engine gen bought from HD that I suspect puts out dirty power. Probably be better to sell it but was wondering if I could clean it up by running thru a quality inverter. Thanks View Quote |
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Great thread RockRanger! Wish I was in CO, I'd offer up my new Champion inverter/generator for you to test if you were interested? Me and quite a few other people got in on a great deal that home depot had back when they were on sale for $300.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Harbor-Freight-Inverter-Generators-NOW-OFFICIAL-BUDGET-GENERATOR-THREAD/5-2032324/?page=47#i80607691 I'm curious how "clean" the power is for running a 5,000 btu window ac unit, fridge, computer ups etc... |
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Great thread RockRanger! Wish I was in CO, I'd offer up my new Champion inverter/generator for you to test if you were interested? Me and quite a few other people got in on a great deal that home depot had back when they were on sale for $300. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Harbor-Freight-Inverter-Generators-NOW-OFFICIAL-BUDGET-GENERATOR-THREAD/5-2032324/?page=47#i80607691 I'm curious how "clean" the power is for running a 5,000 btu window ac unit, fridge, computer ups etc... View Quote |
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Curious to see more results from 3600 rpm gennys. I have 3 of them, ranging from bottom end Chinese import to high end advertised with "clean power technology".
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I'm impressed with your scope on the Predator 3500. I figured it would be a little more fuzzy. Still, I love mine.
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I used either a 40watt soldering iron for the small power sources or a space heater for the larger sources. View Quote At zero load, some of them are absolutely hideous - but look a lot better with just a few dozen watts applied. |
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Quoted: IME, the power quality of non-inverter generators - particularly the non-AVR-equipped "brushless" variety - can vary TREMENDOUSLY with applied load. At zero load, some of them are absolutely hideous - but look a lot better with just a few dozen watts applied. View Quote Re-running the test with a non-AVR brushless would be interesting. |
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(Bump for when I finally get around to dragging out the scope for some waveform pix)
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I have a non-inverter generator. It pops some of the GFIs in my circuit panel. Could the not very clean power be the reason?
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Interesting, that's a bummer you had so many issues. Most people I talk to love their units. I will say it takes 10-20 pulls to get it started after sitting a long period of time. The fuel pump is a diaphragm type driven by crankcase pressure. I would avoid ether if possible. It can strip oil from the cylinder walls and accelerare ring wear, leading to low compression and oil burn. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: We went through several EU2000i models at work, and they all leaked gas badly and were hard to start. Three of them needed new inverters and two used a lot of oil probably from all of the starter fluid we had to use to get them to start. I'd recommend buying nearly anything else besides a Honda.z Also make sure the jets in the carb are clean. This is a weak spot in the design and I find I have to service the jet fairly often. After a several day run from a power outage due to a hurricane, I always pull the carb out and clean the jets. Takes maybe 15 minutes and ensures the unit will run smooth the next time I need it. There are Youtube vids showing exactly how to do this. |
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I have a non-inverter generator. It pops some of the GFIs in my circuit panel. Could the not very clean power be the reason? View Quote When you're connected to utility power, these two wires are typically connected together at the main breaker box or main disconnect switch. However, a lot generators don't have them connected internally - which means that you have to make the connection externally. |
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Tag for a very cool thread.
Hope to see a few more make the list. |
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Quoted: GFCI's and UPS's tend to get fussy if the generator's Neutral and Ground wires aren't connected (or "bonded") together. When you're connected to utility power, these two wires are typically connected together at the main breaker box or main disconnect switch. However, a lot generators don't have them connected internally - which means that you have to make the connection externally. View Quote |
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Is that something I can do? View Quote |
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Thank you for the informative post. I was actually kinda disappointed in the output of the MEP802. I expected it to be damned near perfect.
I have an 803A and it has been an awesome piece of equipment and just today came into owning that Xantrex 600 watt inverter so interesting to see the output of them on a scope. |
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Quoted: Yes, you can connect the Neutral and Ground wires on the cable you use to connect your generator to your panel. Plug-in adapters that do the same thing are also available - Here's an example. View Quote |
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Interesting, but let's say I'm not an electrical guy but interested to learn more about it. I have an inverter generator mostly because I bought it cheap locally and I had heard it was quieter to run and used less gas. What does clean power mean? less likely to blow up sensitive stuff or is there more to it than that?
Also what's the deal with that beefy ass .mil generator? That seems like it would be fun to have living in a shed for whole house power. |
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Found some more information on this page:
http://www.jkovach.net/projects/powerquality/ Pepco ($5.54/month + $0.10126/kWh + taxes & fees) APC Back-UPS 650 APC Back-UPS Pro 500 APC Smart-UPS 700 No Load 80% Load Alton AT04141/120 Generator No Load Alton AT04141/120 Generator 60w load |
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I wish we could get one of the Champion inverter generators in your hands.
I should have hung onto my scope. |
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I wish we could get one of the Champion inverter generators in your hands. I should have hung onto my scope. View Quote 2Hut8 |
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One interesting observation about both of the Champion inverter models shown above:
When starved for gas, the engine stumbles and then over-revs (same as any other gas engine). During the moment the engine is over-revving, the AC output voltage and frequency still stays constant - which is good. No potentially damaging high voltage peaks. However, if the engine stumbles enough, the AC output voltage sags (although frequency still stays constant) - which could cause problems with some loads (i.e., stalled compressors). It's unavoidable (no generator is capable of maintaining full output when the engine is close to stalling) - but it's definitely something to be aware of. BOTTOM LINE: Don't let your generator run out of gas with a sensitive load connected to it. |
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Quoted: We went through several EU2000i models at work, and they all leaked gas badly and were hard to start. Three of them needed new inverters and two used a lot of oil probably from all of the starter fluid we had to use to get them to start. I'd recommend buying nearly anything else besides a Honda.z View Quote Reason, is the crankcase vacuum operates the fuel pump. There is an overflow tube that dumps excessive fuel when the carb is overfilled, that can happen if the genny is shaken much and the float bounces around. Most folks don't understand this and do what your company did. We have 4 Hondas and have run them for years with no issues, except silica dust clogging the carb. An small inline filter solved the issue. See my post in the SF. We use exclusively alcohol laced fuel, with none of the issues the ninnies fret about. |
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Nice. I guess I will buy two of the 3000 watt class generators that I can pair. My well pump is 1.5 hp, so that pretty well dictates the size. I'm tempted to add a connection for a generator dedicated to the well, then use a smaller one at the service panel. The well pump has a sub panel with a switch, so this is an easy enough installation.
Then I can worry about the engines starting when needed! |
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Nice. I guess I will buy two of the 3000 watt class generators that I can pair. My well pump is 1.5 hp, so that pretty well dictates the size. I'm tempted to add a connection for a generator dedicated to the well, then use a smaller one at the service panel. The well pump has a sub panel with a switch, so this is an easy enough installation. Then I can worry about the engines starting when needed! View Quote |
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