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Posted: 12/3/2007 1:23:34 PM EDT
1. Don't commit crimes (If you do when we come for you, please listen to our helpfull hints on how to not get shot/tased/AK'ed)
2. Do not drive drunk (If you do please listen to our helpfull hints) 3. Obey traffic laws and keep you plates/dl current (When stopped, ears open mouth shut and you will most likely get a warning, If you disagree I will be happy to discuss in a court, if you disagree and are remaining calm I will even be willing to discuss on the side of the road) 4. Don't hang out with criminals or druggies 5. If you can't do #3 then remain quite and calm do not engage in acts that make us think that you want to fight, If I ask you questions you don't want to or are not required to answer try the following "Am I free to go?" We will tell you ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pretty easy isn't it |
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The point he is trying to make is that under most circumstances if you have a complaint, the side of the road/parking lot/etc is not the place to discuss it.
To answer Dusty, it is possible with passive resistance but that is outside the scope of the question asked and is heavily situation dependant. So in short, blah blah blah. The op's advice is good advice. Joe |
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It's remarkable how easy it is to NOT break the law to the extend that you get searched/cuffed/arrested/tased.
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DUI checkpoint |
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You just can't resist can you? |
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Honestly, some folks have delusions of grandure
I could not care less about where you are going what you are doing unless you are breaking the law. I don't want to kick your ass for a lot of reasons. Even when you are breaking the law in a minor method, I would really like to cut you a break, but when you just have to stick it to the man....... |
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Dang, the driver had barely 10 seconds from first request for DL and proof of insurance before the police officer raised his tone. Then just under 25 seconds before the officer opened the car door to have the driver step out. Is this the normal time requirement for producing DL/insurance? |
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We don;t do those, we do saturation patrols It's very easy to make it through those as well if you have not been drinking Edit: I suggest you contact you local Sheriff, Troop commander and get like minded folks to do so as well, We hate the checkpoints as officers as well, it ties up valuabe manhours to appease some groups. Remember the magic words "Am I free to go" All you have to say |
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From a different thread:
THE SECOND TO LAST THING I EVER WANT TO DO IS USE FORCE I bet 95% of all offciers and 99.9% of Arfcom officers feel the same way Lets discuss why: 1. I like to treat people like I would like to be treated. I try to give everyone a chance to do things the easiset way for both parties involved 2. They can and do get hurt (see below, then I have to transport their sorry ass to the hospitial or wait for a medic) 3. It's a crapload of paperwork 4. I would be overjoyed if I could complete a shift without having to arrest anyone, but sadly they just won't let me do that. People blow off their court dates, beat up their spouse, drive drunk, rob,rape, and otherwise violate others. Therefore I must bring them to answer for their transgressions to their peers. If you are not an ass I will even call the jail and have them get started on your paperwork so you may get out sooner. 5. I am not in the punishement business nor a sadist, sadly some people will not listen to reason, and they must be compeled to do things, such as submit to arrest, I will try and convince you that submitting is the best course of action for both of us, but if that fails, I must either convince you by pain compliance, physicaly making you or even deadly force if it comes to that, but the arestee is always in control of how far it goes, if you are in pain or being injured you may stop resisting at any time, and then I will get you any medical attention that you may need, and so long as you don't want to start acting a fool again we are done, nothing personal it's a job. If you want to act decent there will be no malace form me |
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70 in a 65? Get serious. They didn't have their rear plate on, that's probably why they were pulled over. I hope that officer is no longer an officer. The response was "Whoa whoa whoa. Let me get it." My understanding of the English language is that the person stated they are going to produce their license. Tolerance for shit like this is why there are cop bashing threads. If people like this were fired or SERIOUSLY reprimanded like they should be, there wouldn't be a problem. |
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Yeah, but they still stop random innocent people, waster their time, invade their privacy, and generally harass people minding their own business |
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I dont get harassed by the police and I've made a list of the reasons why:
It seems like if everyone would follow the rules that I adhere to every day then they'd be fine. Most of the problems I see stem from only these issues. |
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APD agrees with you and he was punished, I am not sure if the tasee was compensated http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/opm/downloads/TempSus_OConnor_06-635.pdf |
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What's disturbing is an apparent trend in the escalation of violence. In many of these cases, we see the officer unnecessarily escalating the situation. It might be legal, but is really right or moral? |
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Yeah.... I have so much idle time between the calls holding I decide to play the meow game with random motorists... |
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+1 These cops must love hte taser. The next best thing to being able shoot people with their real guns. |
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I'll tell you what. Just to make you happy, the next time i have a subject that I am justified in using intermeditate weapons on I'll choose the ASP intead. |
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3 days, probably with pay? Is that a reprimand, or a joke? As director of Civil Service, I'd like to see a letter to the effect of 'behavior such as this will not be tolerated. If officer X continues to do so, he'll need to look for another job." |
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Yawn,,,,, |
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I surely do love the Taser. Because of it I do not have to use force in the way of my fists, or a baton. Taser is a 5 second ride, and then you are done unless resistance continues(I have taken Taser hits). Baton / fists is physical injury guaranteed. What amazes me is how often the baton is not used when it is completely justified. That aside, having to use force is a pain in the ass. I would much rather talk with someone and gain verbal compliance, but that just doesnt alway happen I wont talk long, especially if there are signs of active resistance or its threat. If I have to use force, I will do it quickly and end the situation. Letting things escalate never works. I like guns, I like freedom, I wish CCW for all law abiding citizens I am tired of being perceived as the Gestapo, who spends time devising ways to screw the public. I do my job to the best of my abilities (not perfect am I) and ensure my officers do to. |
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Well then, I guess it's all better now... You have to be kidding me? Three days suspension, with the option to use vacation to cover those days. You think that is satisfactory then? Three days suspsension? My ass. Improper use of force should send this officer back to remedial training. 3 Days suspension is nothing. And what he has done is more than violate a citizen. He has shamed the Austin Police department. I can't believe they would tolerate scum like that. The officer should have been forced to hand in his badge and gun, and been escorted out of the building. They need to send a message to all their officers that this type of behavior will not be tolerated. Snip, I can not make policy for APD.... I have not seen APD's UOF policy, Our leadeship would have most likely taken much more severe steps in that case |
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In these three pages you've put forth a lot of dogshit. I thought I'd save some time and only comment on piece with the foulest smell and most corn. We all have professions too but you don't see many others giving out advice on how not to encounter physical violence during the discharge of their services. What kind of an asshole goes into a place of mixed company and essentially says this: "I have a monopoly on physical force and if you don't follow items 1-5 I'm going to use it"? Please STFU and get lost.
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Are you 12 years old? DO you really think driving 70 in a 65 zone is cause for being pulled over? I'm sure you drive at exactly 65 in a 65 zone when you're off duty, right? What a maroon. |
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Most professions do not involve the use of force at all. |
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Dumbest fucking thread today....
OP in pursuit of attention whore status? This thread was necessary HOW? Low hiring standards by "Department X". You passed the MMPI HOW??? *sniff* Rook? *tilt* Was your FTO asleep? |
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Did you recently refuse to sign a citation In your profession are your duties to take into custody people who are violent? I am an asshole? Thats good, a lot of officers tell me I am too 'nice' I take great pride in being level headed, I can't tell you how many times I would have liked to kick someones ass, however my morals and intergity would not allow me As far as STFU... thats rich.... Since I happen to have worked for a county governement and now do so for free, I have no rights to express my thoughts......... |
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Would you like my papers too?
Those are really good rules For 1939 Germany or Russia or Venezuela. |
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Only your DL and proof of insurance if you are operating a motor vehicle and I observe you commit an offense. |
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That is addressed, police are human and do make errors. I suggest that you calmly ask for a supervisor if you feel that something is not right |
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You really believe this stuff don't you? or you are just trolling |
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Is there anything unreasonable about those things I said?
Really it is very simple to keep the popo out of your life..... |
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Good Post. |
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Yeah, kindly ask for the supervisor before or after you get tased, shot, beat down? |
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wtf srsly, wtf. |
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That was legal but unprofessional If he had followed #3 and not broken the speed limit and had his plates encounter woul dhave never taken place |
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So are you saying that if we always comply with all demands made by the armed agents of the state and always show the armed agents of the state a higher level of respect then is common in society then we will do well, but if we deviate from this then we can expect a swift and violent response from the armed agents of the state?
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Hey, I bet there is a Chris Rock video that would be PERFECT for this thread!
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No I am saying that 9/10 of encounters with the police can be prevented I will admit that there are bad officers out there I hate them more than you most likely. I am saying that it is very easy to take simple steps to keep the popo out of your affairs and if the popo are in your affairs there are very easy ways to avoid unpleasant encounters |
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This is the dumbest response... All the OP stated, in essence, was obey the law. Do you really think just obeying basic laws (and the common sense of not hanging out with criminals) is extremism or fascism? |
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