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Posted: 10/11/2007 4:47:05 PM EDT
For the first time in 12 years an Amreican car comany has been ranked #1 in overall quality by JD Power, or any major automotive reviewer for that matter. Buick ended that dryspell.
Now, only if they brought back the God Damn Grand National !!!!
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Why, posting a story? edit -Oh, you mean because I cant post a hotlink. Doooh. I jus cant seem to do it. ]autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/most-dependable-brands-2007/20071009133609990001[url/] Lemme try again. |
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Buicks are the only American car that can even compete with the Japanese on quality.
Beats me why that is, but its true. |
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No, Buicks are at the top. I just cant seem to p ost a hotlink. I've tried. I just cant. |
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For the first time in 12 years, a brand -- an American brand, no less -- tied with Lexus for the highest ranking in long-term dependability. |
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When you click the Link button, the first box is for whatever text you want to input. No special text, leave it blank. The second one is for the actual link. |
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I've owned a few Buicks and they are extremely dependable nice riding cars that compete well with the japanese makes. Maybe the old coots know something that the young whippersnappers don't?
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i've got an 97 skylark that i literally drove off a cliff (pike's peak) thing keeps on trucking.
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Last Buick I had ('88 LeSabre) lasted me to 485k miles.
'Nough said. |
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Two of my three cars are Buicks. A 94 LeSabre and a 95 Roadmaster. Great cars. |
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I don't doubt for a moment that Buick generally builds some very good quality cars, but I have to wonder if the demographics of the owners has a lot to do with the results of this survey. The kind of folks who buy brand-new Buicks (and most Lexus models, too) aren't the kind of folks who regularly flog their vehicles. Rather, they are more likely to be the kind of people who go overboard on routine maintenance - which no doubt improves reliability.
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I don't know about reliable but after driving my moms N* Lucerne It has plenty of power and the interior is scary quiet. Looks a little better than the older buicks but it seems to be built for short people.
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I've always had good luck with Buicks, Mercurys, and Nissans.
I've ridden in one of the new Lucernes, and besides being named after a dairy company, it was a very nice car. Perhaps it is because Tiger Woods is now involved... |
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That's a good point. However, The 2 Chrysler products I owned were bought new and treated to nothing but the best in fluids and maintenance and they both had multiple problems. Page 2 goes to thoughtful reflection of facts and experience... |
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My dad has that exact car in that same color.... |
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JD Power generally ranks on as delivered quality. I suppose that means something.
Dennis Jenkins
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The Lucerne is awesome in black and fully loaded! |
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When you take GM's 2nd most bulletproof engine/tranny combo and just a little more upgraded quality parts and put them in a car, you get one helluva vehicle. |
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I owned a 91 Buick Regal and still had it until recently. I put an INSANE number of miles on it. And despite having another vehicle for a number of years before getting rid of the Regal, it was the car I drove 90% of the time. Other than routine maintenance, the car never gave me a speck of trouble. It was the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned by far.
I let it go last year (figuring that with it's age and mileage that is HAD to be ready for major problems eventually) but I still see it quite often taking the fella who bought it where he needs to go and back. It's still running like a champ a year later. So I ended up getting another Buick. I don't particularly care what a car looks like, provided it's reliable and comfortable. A car is just a tool to take you from point A to point B. Nobody ever said it had to be gorgeous to serve it's purpose. So being I like quality cars, yet prefer to buy from American companies, Buick is what I plan to stick with until they give me a reason not to. So far, I've had nothing but good things to say about them. |
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Maintaining QC isn't real hard when you're only building about 65 cars a week.
Buick needs to go back to RWD. It worked for Caddy, and it will attract the folks who can't afford Caddys. |
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One of my buddies was raised in a Buick. That's all he's ever driven or bought. He even got one for his wife. He does tech support all over the Southeast and loves his Buick.
I'm partial to the Park Avenue, they look kind of sharp. |
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Honestly, all cars are pretty much equal as far as reliability is concerned, most people just have strong biases that influence how they rate cars. I know plenty of people that have nothing but problems with their imports, but they find a way to rationalize them.
Just buy the car that you like the best. |
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3-year old models are "long term." Get back to me in 7 more years. |
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JD power should be laughed out the industry for such a study. Lets look at long term reliability of 2004 models, in 2007.
How about something useful like comparing 1997 Buicks to 1997 Lexus. Any car, including a Kia or Hyundai should be flawless for three short years. |
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Dont shoot the messenger here there big guy. I was just quoting the article. |
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well, when the average buick pilot is 65 years old, and rides in the left lane at 5 under..... The cars just don't get the wear and tear of other brands.
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No but the other Wbodys in the GM lineup are abused and they hold up (drivetrain wise) great. |
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Reliable? I figured the term would be "passionless" or "boring" or to maybe put it in the German class of cars with a term like "Uber booring."
I'm not impressed, but at least American car reliability is improving. That's pretty good news...now lets infuse some fun into the reliability. Until then, I'll buy Infiniti, Acura and Lexus products. |
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But what the Old Coots don't know, is that Young Whippersnappers don't want to drive a car that looks like an Old Coot drives it. If this turns out to be true, the American public will be somewhat to very skeptical, my self heavily included. It will take quite a few years for it to sink in, remember, the Japanese didn't take over the American car market overnight either. For what I want in a car, Buick and the other US car makers don't deliver. While reliability is very important, I look for over-all performance (not just straight line drag strip stuff), great handling (no front wheel drive) and a much higher quality interior. I'm willing to spend the bucks.... Happy Motoring, Bill |
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My first car was a 1978 Buick Century, Special Edition.
Car survived my mom and older brother to get handed down to me. That Tank was solid, barely cost me a cent in maintenance.. I loved it. That said, I've had so much shit with other GM models over the years, I've sworn them off. |
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Yes, this is probably a factor. But I owned a '99 Taurus. I maintained it according to the Ford maintanence schedule and I drove it like a 50 year old man (because I WAS a 50 year old man). It had a serious problem with warping brake rotors. Brake rotors would warp after just a few thousand miles of driving. My Ford trucks never had this problem. The dealer told me it was indeed a problem with the design of the rotors and not my fault; and nothing could be done about it!!! I'm afraid that Ford lost me for good because of this car. Although I WOULD still consider buying another Ford truck, because I've had terrific luck with Ford trucks, I'll never buy another Ford car. The article is correct in pointing out that a problem like the one I had with a basic (and important) sub-system like brakes can permanently alienate a car owner from ever buying another car from the offending manufacturer. To compound the problem for Ford, I bought a Toyota to replace the Taurus, and it's hands down a superior car. |
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Well, if you damn kids would stop driving so fast and let us control the flow of traffic, we'd have fewer accidents. And stay the hell off my lawn!! |
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Thats a very good point. Im sure it also plays a part in why Mercury made the list also. Every Grand Marquis driver I know is over 55. |
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No front wheel drive knocks off the vast majority of Japanese cars save for the sports cars. My 98 Regal's interior is still in excellent condition, but I'll admit that American makers have some crappy looking hard plastic crap that still looks horrible. The exhausts of especially Japanese cars absolutely SUCK compared to the US makes, I've found they go about 7 years then fall apart, I've got US makes far older with exhausts that are still in VG shape. Please don't overlook the fact that ALL of the Japanese makes have been flat out lying on HP stats for years which is something I've been well aware of because they could never put the numbers on the strip that their HP would suggest. Toyota has had more then their share of issues lately quality wise, they HAVE admitted it which I give them kudos for but they also swept it under the table til they no longer could hide it. I'll also give them kudos for some pretty fresh and cool styling, something the US makers seem to have problems with or they think they deserve a premium if they do have a car with great looks. I've owned Toyotas, Nissans, Datsuns, Honda's, and most of the US makes, I've also maintained them exactly the same, which is excellently, and both countries makes have left me stranded about the same number of times and both have given me good service. The most expensive break was either the blown engine in my 79 bronco, [about a zillion miles, many of then hard 4 wheeling ones] or the exploded Xfer case in my 74 Land Cruiser. And the US, dollar for dollar, still makes a sports car that will kick the ass of any Japanese sports car allowed into the US. [Vette] |
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