I heard the story on NPR of all places. They interviewed Michel and I believe Tolley. None of the other people in the print story were on the radio. Tolley's comment about the ball game was more like, " I don't think people want to be sitting next to a guy yelling 'Kill the Ump!' and realizing he's carrying a gun." Actually Tolley (or whoever was the anti interviewed) quite often said, "the people this , the people that" like he has spoken with "the people". Michel sounded good though.
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