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Posted: 8/2/2007 2:59:57 PM EDT
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I'm a noob at H&K weaponology but is this one of those pistols that you have to pull a latch at the bottom of the magazine well to release the mag?
ETA: Looks sexy. Nice find. |
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It's an incredibly reliable, well made, & well designed handgun that is unique in how it functions. It is also extremely compact and slim for a 9mm handgun that holds 8+1. It has one of the best triggers of any semi-auto pistol and it's very accurate due to it's fixed barrel design. At $675 it's a steal, considering that they sold for around $1500 when HK stopped production in 2005. The only real negative is the frame tends to heat up quickly when fired rapidly due to it's gas locking mechanism design. Also, the European mag release may not be desirable in a combat handgun, but at less than 1/2 the price of the P7 M8, I can live with it. |
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Thanks...I will have to look in to it. I don't mind the Euro mag release or the no drop free mags thing. |
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Did you tell MR. TEKAGY that you were going to count to 3 and that there would not be a 4?
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BTW, they have Grade B which I think at about |
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At least, in my experience. YMMV |
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Mine came with a trigger lock also. The cleaning bush is new and encased in a tube. Did you get an A or B grade? Maybe only the A grades come with the brush?? |
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Meh. I bought an brand spanky new P7M13 back in the early '90s for about the same price. It even came with 3-13 round magazines.
I ran each mag twice, cleaned it up, and threw it in the back of the safe. I wonder what it's worth today? |
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Just got my Grade B from CDNN today, awesome
And to the 87GN dude, Why are you comparing a 380 auto subcompact against a 9mm compact weapon that has one of the most ingenious cocking systems ever created? |
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I was just finger-fucking mine.... I'm glad I got it, and I hope there will still be some around in 6-8 months, when I might be able to afford another one.
They'd make good carry guns. They're not uber light, and they're really not TOO thin. Maybe a hair thinner than a Glock 19. However, they'd conceal well. They are STUPID accurate. With the squeeze cocking mechanism, it can be operated ambidextrously. Reputation has them being VERY reliable, as well. I'd recommend getting one, even if you sit on it for years... once they dry up, they will go up in price! |
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I yield to your obviously superior firearms knowledge, master. |
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Realistically, does anyone have a guess at a time frame for these drying up? More importantly, will Grade A's still be available in 2-3 months? |
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Thank you Sir. It's not too late. CDNN Sports has about 300 grade A's and 1000 Grade B's left. You have to call, they do not list them on their webpage. 800-588-9500 www.cdnninvestments.com/ |
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If it's mint, $2000 for a blued and $2500 for factory nickel. |
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Jebus!
I can come up with about 5 solid reasons not to buy one of those, not the least of which is the fact that it would represent most of my rent $$$. Yet I am almost completely unable to resist!!! |
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In terms of value, I just don't think there is a better firearm deal out there right now. Plus, I think you'll save on the sales tax if your not in Texas. |
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ahahaha |
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If you keep shooting it long enough your hands will get so burnt they stop hurting because you cant feel it anymore. Then you can shoot all you want for the rest of the day! :D
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Nostalgia is probably the wrong term..... Novelty is probably more appropriate. The P7 series of weapons was one of the most innovative handguns ever designed. They were expensive and thusly didn't find their way into many US police agency holsters, but the organizations that did use them were very happy with them. The New Jersey State Police issued the P7 weapons for quite some time and seemed very happy with them. |
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Are you kidding? Only because it's considered to be the finest and most accurate 9mm on the planet. Shoot one and you'll get one. CMOS |
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P7M8s and P7M13s do. The PSPs and P7s are much cheaper primarily because the ones you find in the US are retired German police weapons. |
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The temptation is indeed quite strong. I've always wanted a P7 series pistol. I would prefer a P7M8, but a standard P7 is good too. I just have this thing for unique firearms and these are some of the most unique handguns ever produced. |
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There are a number of people who will give you a testicle for it. |
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On top of what others posted, the squeeze cocking design allows you to carry locked and loaded. When you draw the pistol and tighten your grip, the striker cocks and makes the pistol ready to fire. The trigger is a light and crisp single action. Release your grip, and the weapon decocks and is rendered safe. The trigger is disconnected and cannot fire the pistol. The chamber is fluted for reliable extraction. The 4" barrel sits low on the hand and as a result the recoil is easily managed. I haven't gotten used to the Euro mag release yet, but it's actually not too bad. After prolonged shooting it gets hot like others have stated, but these are among the few drawbacks of the PSP. Time is running out, if you're on the fence now, I'd jump in. If you don't like it, you could always sell it later when the supply dwindles and the demand jumps. You'd easily get your money back. |
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Just out of curiosity, did the German Police switch to something else, or just newer P7's? |
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One note about the P7 PSP mag release; It's not a typical European mag release where the mag release hooks over the bottom of the mag floor-plate and the button must be pushed away from the mag floor-plate. With the P7, you squeeze the mag release button toward the magazine. By placing the index finger over the front lip on the mag floor-plate and then squeezing the mag release toward the mag with your thumb, results in a natural 1-step motion that doesn't require any fumbling.
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I know which one I would want...
Thanks for the heads up and a big +1 for Jerry |
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Pull the slide back about 1/2 inch, and then slowly release the grip, then slowly lower the slide. It's not silent but it's much quieter than just releasing the grip. |
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Any consensus on the best ammo (Personal defense) for this? something like 147 Speer GD's?
Did I read somewhere that +P is a no-no for this model? |
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I bought a bunch of Federal Tactical HST 147 gr ammo. It pentrates more than the +P+ stuff does anyways.
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I really want one, but Massachusetts will not allow it.
In a few more years I will be out of this hell-on-earth. |
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I use 147 grain Gold Dots or 147 gr Winchester Ranger SXT. HK doesn't recommend +P ammo. I think it has more to do with the fluted chamber than anything else as these pistols are over-engineered and durable. ETA: I'm not an expert by any means though. |
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Really? I thought you could get a permit to purchase a handgun in Mass.? |
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This is one of the very few handgun designs I have always sort of wanted to buy but never have owned.
I really don't need one (trying to reduce, not add), but I am sorely tempted (again)... |
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The manual makes these three notes on ammo: 1. Do not use non-jacketed lead bullets because it may foul the gas chamber (jacketed hollow-points are noted to be OK). 2. Do not use bullets weighing less than 100 grains 3. Do no use ammo specifically loaded for sub machineguns (no mention of +P being allowed or not*). *Is +P the same as sub machinegun ammo? |
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I remember an article in a gun magazine about 20 years ago. They made a couple safety PSA's regarding the squeeze cocker. 1) If you have the trigger pulled and the cocking lever isn't squeezed=no bang If you keep the trigger pulled and then squeeze the lever=bang. |
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I pulled out a case of IMI "9mm H.V. Carbine 115FMJ" ammo that I bought 20 years ago and have never fired a round. It says right on the every box; "FOR USE IN CARBINES AND SUBMACHINE GUNS ONLY. NOT FOR USE IN PISTOLS". These rounds are all marked with a black tip to signify for submachine gun use only. Here's a warning from the BATF on some 9mm sub machinegun ammo that might be encountered. Based on this and the above IMI warning, I would say that 9mm "submachine gun" ammo would likely be loaded hotter than 9mm +P ammo. 9 X 19 MM Warning Austrian ammunition maker Hirtenberger AG has put the word out concerning a quantity of its 9x19 mm ammunition that is "unique for use in any handgun." According to a November 7 BATF Industry News release. "The ammunition was loaded to produce pressures far in excess of that intended for use in handguns...This ammunition should not be fired." The ammunition was produced for the British Ministry of Defense from 1990 through 1992 for use in submachine guns "under adverse conditions" [likely extreme cold] and carries the "L7A1" designation. While BATF is unaware of this ammunition being imported into the U.S., the maker advises that up to 12 million rounds were sold recently on the world surplus market. The ammunition covered by this warning can be identified by the following headstamps: 12 o’clock position: HP 3 o’clock position: 90, 91, or 92 6 o’clock position: L7A1 9 o’clock position: a cross within a circle For additional information contact BATF at (202) 927-8320. Source: BATF Bulletin, November 7, 1996 American Rifleman, January 1997; page 6 IAA Journal, Jan./Feb. 1997; page 4 |
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Thanks for the heads up, placed an order for one grade A and one grade B. Also order an extra mag for each.
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Waiting on my Grade B. Will give a review when it gets here hopefully next week.
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Oh, is that why you IM'd be about this then? To pass on poverty? |
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20 years with one of mine and never needed to replace anything. |
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What are the "problem" parts? |
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