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Posted: 4/11/2006 4:22:50 PM EDT
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Another perfect example of the effectiveness of the gubernment!!! Yeah, that really fixed the f&*^%$#! problem didn't it guys!!!! Why don't you guys quit doing lip service up there and actually start dealing with problems rather than the damned symptoms. From Boortz today: boortz.com/ Fifteen million illegals enter the country. Then we have an amnesty agreement from Washington. Nothing is done to control the borders. Another 11 to 12 million illegals cross, expecting history to repeat itself. History then repeats itself. Again, nothing is done to close the border. What do you expect the outcome to be? OK .. just for the sake of argument, let's just imagine for a moment that they get their way. Let's just go ahead and grant all 12 million illegal aliens in this country permission to stay here. Green cards for all! What do you think would happen? Those 12 million would not just live happily ever after. No, those 12 million would get on the horn and start calling all of their friends in Mexico...and 12 million more would stream across the border. The invasion would become even more brisk. The point here is that our first job is to close the borders. Walls, troops ... whatever it takes, close the borders. Then we can start talking about what to do with the illegals already here. We have a 2,000 mile long border with Mexico...that is largely unguarded. We could secure it, yet we choose not to. Why? Because politicians don't want to. They're either in the pocket of business that wants to maintain the free flow of cheap labor, or are trolling for votes in the Hispanic community. At the end of the day, if nothing is done about illegal immigration, more and more are going to keep coming and coming. How much is enough? How much before we stand up and stop the madness? You are watching our country undergoing a profound change ... a change that will be very costly. Our elected officials lack the political will to do anything about it. If we give any kind of amnesty (which I totally oppose) without including some form of complete and comprehensive border control, we are doomed to see this happen AGAIN AND AGAIN. |
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SHHH!!! these illegals are fighting for their RIGHTS that have been denied to them for so long...
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Yeah yeah, I know. And all the white people owe all black people money for the work the slaves did that they never got paid for. |
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They didnt get paid?!........But where did they live ......and what did they eat? |
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They are fucking racists. Every country in the world has immigration laws. What they are arguing is that they should have preference in emigrating over someone from South Africa, for example, simply because they are Mexican (Aztlan and all that bullshit).
So yes, they are correct and it IS about race, but THEY are the ones making it about race, and feel that they should be able to come here en masse without the controls that apply to others. They might as well be the KKK. |
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No enforcement of present laws, no potential for enforcement of any new BS they pass. No borders. No controls.
Basically, benefits and voting to anyone who shows up. |
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FNC had a good piece about Mexico deporting illegals in their country immediately. Does Mexico give USA gringo illegals a free education in 'English'? Or welfare, healthcare or anything? Nope...
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And, is mexico planning to have an amnesty for American Nationals anytime soon?
STOP ALL WELFARE PAYMENTS TO ILLEGALS NO CITIZENSHIP FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGALS ALL ILLEGALS ARE CRIMINALS, DEPORT THEM ALL STOP SPITTING ON OUR COUNTRY AND CONSTITUTION ENFORCE OUR COUNTRY'S LAWS AGAINST ILLEGALS |
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For fear of being crucified, I am going to go out on a limb here and make a few statements, take them for what you will.
1. Economic: I live in Houston. Here, almost 100% of the manual labor is done by hispanic immigrants, most of them illegal. If you have a house built, it will be by illegals more than likely. They are the cogs that keep our city moving and without them our economy would suffer majorly; I would even go as far as to say the help they give the economy outweighs any cost they present. They pay sales taxes, and they don't take jobs away from Americans because the jobs they do most Americans don't want. Newsflash- they don't come over to hop onto welfare, they get fake social security numbers and pay taxes through those. They come over to work because they are in demand as manual laborers and make alot more than they ever could in Mexico. My friend at school's mom and dad can eat back in Mexico because he lives with his uncle and they send money back to his family. Every person we have ever employed at my house is no drain to the economy; they make little money and pay sales tax on everything they buy, even if they don't have fake social security numbers. 2. Military: Our military force is comprised of MANY Mexicans who are either the sons of immigrants or immigrants themselves. Cutting off the flow of immigrants will also lower the pool of possible future soldiers, who fight hard and tough because believe it or not alot of mexican culture is based on being macho, as well as christianity. Just look at how many hispanics join the Marines; it's because the Navy, Airforce, and Army have too many women to be "macho" enough for them. If you ask me more legal Americans could have that attitude as well. I would rather deport the san francisco liberals than any hardworking illegal any day. (I know, I will be in the Army, but I think they are both macho he 3. My plan: Make everyone become a loyal, legal American, but don't make it impossible. Require english lessons and a test on our history (which unfortunately most legal Americans are too stupid to pass anyways), and give them social security numbers so you can stop whining about them "not paying taxes" despite the fact they pay more in sales taxes then they probably would on income tax because they don't make much anyways, it's just proportionately more than they would make in Mexico so they are happy as hell. This way, we encourage immigration and also make them Americans, not just Mexicans visiting and "exploiting" the system as alot of you seem to think. Remember, we are all immigrants in this country, and it would be selfish to say "We are here and we don't want to let anyone else in to the land of opportunity...we want to hog it all for ourselves!". That is all it really sounds like at the bottom of all this bickering, at least to me. *By the way I am a republican, but I see this as an ethical issue and actually support any side that can see the true American way that we seem to have lost sight of. |
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Ooh es mas macho? Ricardo Mantelban, orrr.... Desi Arnez? Ricardo Mantelban? Ay-yi-yi. No. Ricardo Mantelban es muy macho, si. Pero Desi Arnez con "Babbaloo" est immortales! Desi Arnez es macho muy bien! Desi Arnez est mas macho. Si, si, Desi Arnez. |
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22bad for PREZ!!!! |
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Not going to crucify you, but I want to make sure you know TWO things ONE- There is absolutely NOTHING similar or the same with the two COMPLETELY different concepts of "immigrant" and "illegals" NOTHING..............illegals are NOT immigrants, just ask an immigrant TWO- I don't know who told you the lies about them not being a drain on our economy or NOT taking jobs Americans want (or NOT coming here to JUMP on welfare) Go to a local school, hospital or jail. Ask THEM who is causing the most problems for them After they tell you that it is the illegals THEN think about who is paying the bills for the illegals Whatever you do, don't bet anyone about the illegals not taking jobs that Americans want, you will lose AND FOR PETE'S SAKE, THEY DON'T PAY TAXES, ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS THAT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WITHHOLDING TAKEN OUT OF THEIR CHECKS AND THEY SURE DON'T FILE A RETURN AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO PAY THEM |
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There is one little detail you are overlooking here...REALITY. Here in The Sticks, we are being outnumbered, and they aren't all paying their own way. My county is dropping an assload of taxpayer money on education, health care, and housing. Want to know how much it costs to have an interpreter at every hospital,grade school, high school, bank, etc.? See above reference to assload. And here's a newsflash for you. They are taking jobs away from needy white folk, like me. |
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NO NO NO NO NO!!! All of that requires spine and integrity. It's much easier to cave in to foreigners than to look out for your own countrymen and stand by your oath of office. |
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About 80% of the drug and alien smugglers I apprehended on the Southern Border were amnesty holders from 1986.
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It WOULD be an improvement |
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I respectfully disagree, both with you and 22bad because in my opinion, from what I have seen, the benefits they offer here do more for our country than detract from it. BTW- IF they were made legal and forced to pay taxes like everyone else, where would the problem be? Then they would be pulling their own weight without question. |
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All it would take would be an executive order nullifying "special order 40" and some comment like: we appreciate our friends and neighbors from the south, but we have to secure our border |
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Hay, Your violating their rights to suck on the nipple of the USA
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They are a slap in the face of every person who ever imigrated here legally.
I know, I've heard a few pissed off old Germans discuss the issue. They are breaking the law. There are reasons we have imigration quotas. There are other requirements as well, like taking a written test in english to express your knowledge of American history and the Constitution. The reason for stuff like that is so they are not a burden on society. |
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It's so hard to teach ethics "long distance" Do you think that they are criminals for entering the country illegally? Do you know what people that enter legally have to go through? Do you know that they have to go through it for YOUR safety(and mine)? Do you think that someone that commits a crime is a problem? Lets say that you know a bank robber, he has always been nice to you but, in his last robbery he killed a bank teller.......is he just misunderstood or, is he a menace to society? They could NEVER pull their weight "expense wise" the costs of illegals runs into the BILLIONS Thats TENS OF BILLIONS EVERY FRIGGIN YEAR, THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE HALF THAT MUCH |
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Man, I guess those stone walls at Hudson High have gotten so thick that they are keeping you from seeing out. Do they even teach Econ 101 up there anymore? www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalconclusion.html
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They arent taking my Job. Just lowering the pay for it. |
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+1 - well put |
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Ha! someone else remebers "quien es mas macho?" "Quien es mas macho: Lorenzo lamas - o - Ricardo montalblan....Quien es mas macho...Lamas o montalban...." Just about on par with "Jew / Not a Jew"! |
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I still think it might be better if all those illegal aliens went back to Mexico, El Salvador, and wherever else they came from, and protest and march for their rights in THOSE countries.
They would have the personal satisfaction of knowing their protesting was helping their fellow man in their own countries, instead of running away from their problems. |
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I think most people Forgot Bush was pushing for his guest worker program/amnesty since before he was president
Campaign Videos Jorge Bush |
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Good list, though it's missing one very important thing.....Fine employers of illegals $10,000. per illegal and add to that all expenses for court and transportation to illegals country of origin. |
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First it might be a good idea to modify Federal Law to ALLOW employers to investigate suspected forged documents without having to pay millions of dollars in discrimination fines from the government. Yes, this happens, I have witnessed it first hand. Even the pilot program of ICE that reconciles names and SSN's prohibits employers from doing anything EVEN IF the software shows that they don't match. Talked about some fucked up bullshit. And speaking of forged documents, in addition to being CRIMINALS for crossing illegally, they are FELONS for forging government documents. |
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The bottom one should cover that (can I count on your vote?) |
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