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Posted: 3/16/2006 10:36:39 PM EDT
I am currently in SWA and I have seen how the people here put religion above the good of the people or above common sense. Why is the US Govt wanting to impose christian values on all the US? I have read the bill of rights and it basically says I can believe in anything I want if I am a devil worshiper I can worship the devil, if I am Islamic I can practice Islam (not Islamic law) thats not Us law. After seeing what can happen if you let religion go against commen sense it has made me look at things in multiple percpective's.
I just want to know why Bush and Ashcroft want to impose the 10 commandments on me. So if someone kills my dog who I think as a kid I can kill their dog or a their kid if they dont have a dog. I think there is a place for religion and a place for work. Moral values is different that Relgious values because some religons do not have moral religious values. Please dont kill me for bringing this up just seeing what can happen has made me start to think. |
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Example of the religous laws currently being voted on in congress please..... or just being sponsored would be fine.
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Some bible thumping idiots trying to take an end run around the law. It's only the most recent example, there are lots more that are emboldened by GWBs "christian" BS. |
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First is abortion rights I am pro-choice so if a woman wants to do it go ahead lets see what else its ironic im a catholic. There are more just have to do get to work. I voted for bush but there are just some things that should not be a law.
I am sure there is going to be some law making people be nice to everyone one day. |
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Opposition to abortion is NOT 100% a religous issue.... next.
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I agree. What about the anti-pornography stance? |
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Ashcroft? |
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Suuuuure it isn't. I don't have time to search all the anti GWB sites for ammo against his religous BS. I am glad he is in office and not that Kerry fucktard but I wish he would can the fake-pious religious crap and stick to running the country. Religion is fine by itself, but should never co-mingle with politics, the founders of this country were quite clear about that (establishment clause). If you want to live in a theocracy head on over to the Middle East, they specialize in them. |
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Or the FCC idiocy as of late? |
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Yes. |
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yeah the anti-porn is another. if someone wants to do it its good money.
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Reading comprehension is our friend.... this was not passed by congress, it's a state matter thanks for playing... |
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Yeah, they are waiting for the inevitable Supreme Court challenge, where GWB's most recent appointees will have a shot at it, get a clue........next. |
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There is a large portion of this opposition which views porn as harmful to women both as performers and the inflated importance it gives to sex in a relationship..... once again not religous. A better question would be "What about prostitution laws?," but even quite a bit of opposition to that stems froms reasons other that religion. Anyway, those laws were in effect long before Bush. |
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Yep, hello state sovereignty. If a state sucessfully bans abortion in this country and is pro-gun, i'm going to try to move there! I'm a libertarian so for me it's not about "religion" as I view that as a foolish way to make political decisions. I do believe strongly in state sovereignty, and I have respect for any state that'd pass a law saying, .gov, go get fucked! |
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You mean the most recent addition to the UCMJ (signed by GWB, cooincidentally) that make using prostitutes illegal for GIs even when its legal in the country (or state in NV's case) that you are in? Yeah, that was in effect long ago. |
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What? John Ashcroft is a lobbyist. He works for his clients, and are you going to claim his clients don't have a right to promote their views?z |
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Actually, YES. It WAS in effect long ago..... soliciting prostitution has long been listed as sexual misconduct in the UCMJ. Next. ETA: Upon further review, it was added to the UCMJ in 1951... google is good. And I don't believe EITHER Bush was in office in 1951. |
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Yeah, there was just no punishment for it.
Thanks bible thumping assholes, for making something legal for 99.9% of the world's population basis for throwing 1.4 million of us in jail. I hate dummocrats but at least they aren't so uptight and idiotic about simple personal freedoms. |
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Ashcroft's lobbying clients are Oracle and other software companies that sell software and data encryption technology. They are not trying to promote their views or anyone else's. They're trying to get government contracts. |
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FROM YOUR OWN FREAKING ARTICLE!!!!
Yep... sounds ULTRA religous to me. |
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True that. They strongly support the personal right to keep and bear arms. And as Tipper Gore has shown, Democrats don't want gov't interference in what we listen to. Or as HRC has demonstrated, Democrats don't want to control the content of video games. Or, you just don't have a damned clue. |
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HAHAHAHA, I couldn't have thought of better examples. If anyone thinks that one party is better overall for personal freedoms and rights, they are mistaken. |
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I vote Bill of Rights, Education, and Personel Respondsibility over everything else. Just I do not want to see a US like in Escape from LA where a ultra religious president takes over.
I also dont want an immoral president or person passing laws. I guess I want a moral, religious but not in your face kind religious kind of president. Bush was like that the first term but things are starting to scare me. Iraq is fighting over their religions and I dont want to see that happen here. We have relgious extremists here but we are not looking at them. We also have Anti abortion terrorists (fire bombing clinics and killing doctors are terrorist acts) too but we dont do alot agaist them. |
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Man, you guys say 'bible thumping' like the foundation on which this nation was built is a bad thing.
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Christ...here come the fucking "Christian Taliban" types, just cause someone doesn't want babies brains to be scrambled cause the mother is too busy to be bothered with dealing with the consequences of ehr actions.
Christian taliban....riiiight. |
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Neither do I.
Nor this.
So you're saying Bush need his own Waco or what?
1. When was the last bombing or shooting of a doctor? The last BOMBING I can remember occurred years ago..... and the shithead that did it was just caught last year (wasn't it last year?) Which brings me to..... 2. What assoles that did this were pardoned by the government or simply evaded conviction? |
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I've gotta be getting on to bed.... the excitement of my Ags winning is starting to wear off, but as a final note on what I'm looking for from you (or anyone who believes your assertation.)
Where is the laws being voted on that require you to go to church on Sunday? To hang a cross in your home? To bow to the West five times a day? To........... You see, THOSE are religous laws. Laws based on morality, unless it is morality ONLY defined by a certain religion, aren't applicable, unless you believe morality can stem from religion alone. You've already stated you don't believe that, so I don't see why they are brought up. |
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Well being religious is ok just do not force your personel moral idology on the people. That is what is going on in the SWA region. Some moral values coincide with relgious values but not all religious values can be imposed on a society. Didnt Jesus say: Give to Caeser what is Caeser's, but to God what is God's.
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because zealots and theocrats have taken over the gov't.
America is dead, this bastardization we have right now is not America anymore. secret police secret tribunals spying on us citizens of this country wisked away with no charge, rights or lawyer etc etc sounds like old school russia or Iraq of 4 yrs ago doesn't it. |
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I'm not anti-abortion, but I don't think it's a FEDERAL issue. It's not specifically mentioned in the Constitution, so under the 10th amendment, it's an issue best left to the state. Some states may ban it, but most (perhaps almost all) won't.
Roe V Wade is, IMHO, a bad ruling because it created a Federal law where none should exist. They should have kicked it back (just like most of the S.C.'s rulings) back to the state with a "none of the Fed Gov's business!" The S.C. makes wrong, unconstitutional rulings all the time...look at the recent eminent domain ruling. |
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WTF are you rambling about? I swear, arfcom seems to be getting dumber and dumber. |
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America is a Christian nation. Get over it, or move. I say this NOT because I'm a Christian, but because it is factually true. |
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Do you mean most Americans are Christian? Yes, that is true and not at debate. I think some people see an issue backed by the religious right and think therefore it is solely a religious issue. I however am against abortion and I’m an atheist. |
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What if they wanted to do it with your 2 year old daughter!!!! |
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Specifically, I'm referring to ( 1 ) the Pilgrims who first came here, and gov't they established ( 2 ) the Founding Fathers and they gov't they established ( 3 ) what every President, Congress , state Constitution, etc has validated about the Christian orientation of this country, and the several states up until about 30 years ago or so. |
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Simple. I believe it was James Madison who said this country and constitution were written for God fearing men and as long as we elected people of the Judeo Christian faith and beliefs, we would survive and prosper as a country. Look at the influence of non-christians like Roosevelt, Black, Hitlery, etc and how they have helped destroy what Madison said
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On the contrary many of those men were not Christian and went out of their way to make sure Christian authoritarianism was not pushed onto this country.
As for religious 'law' many have given valid examples that are pushed 95% by Chrisitan thought. The stem cell debate is another good example. |
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The FF wrote EXTENSIVELY that very thing - this is a CHRISTIAN nation. By that they meant what WIlliam Penn said - "Men will either be governed by God (i.e. self-governed) or they WILL be ruled by tyrants. " In reality, the GREATEST danger to this nation is the godless man who will not self-govern. Because it is his actions that FORCE politicians to make endless laws to imagine every kind of debauchery he might engage in, and prevent him from doing it in a way damaging to society. |
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I don't see ANY Christian religious laws being put into action at all, anywhere in this country.
However, I do see a lot of activity that uses Government to ban all/most Christian actions and symbols throughout the country, and most definitely in any public building or area. As far as I can see, there is a concerted effort to eliminate the public knowledge or display of Christianity, but not any other religions/philosophies which are celebrated in the name of "diversity". Regarding the "abortion issue", it is simply a matter of when it might be called murder. If a woman is pregnant and wants to have the child, and then she is involved in an assault/incident which results in the death of the unborn child, it is called "murder" and the wrongdoer is charged. If a woman is pregnant, and she decides she doesn't want the child, she can dispose of it as she pleases at any time, and it is called "perfectly all right" by abortion proponents. It is a total double-standard that is ludicrous. The schools have been cleansed of Christian holidays, prayer, religious clubs, wearing crosses and t-shirts with Christian slogans, etc. Courthouses stripped of the 10 Commandment plaques. Everything is allowed EXCEPT Christianity. And then, some have the audacity to claim that they are being unfairly "cramped in their style" because the vestigial remains of Christianity might somehow re-surface or the remains not be completely buried forever. And this, while the Christians are expected to just sit silently and watch the calculated, orderly destruction of their religion and values, and not make a peep about it. Even though they are being much more oppressed in actual reality, than the imaginary "what if Christians regain some standing" concerns voiced by many in this thread. If you feel "cramped or oppressed" by a centuries-old, upstanding moral code that has stood the test of time and spawned the beginnings and the best growth of this nation, then maybe you ought to take a look at what you have become without it. |
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That's just dead wrong. Its a fantasy in your mind. Wholly unsupported by ANY facts. And a SHAMEFUL way for you to waste post # 556. |
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Wow -when did it become wrong to be faithful to your God and his teachings. or to have a moral stance based on those beliefs?
BTW -I think the 10 Commandments are a prety good basis for living a good life. |
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And those laws were intentionally designed to challenge pre-existing abortion laws by artificially creating this double-standard. |
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Hey, stupid! Roe V Wade was never law. It was a bad court decision. You folks are cracked if you think this is a religious thing. |
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See? That's all you clowns have. No facts. No support for your arguments. Just vitriol. I laugh at you. |
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Back at ya asshole. |
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Sorry, you're hallucinating. Those laws were in place for centuries before abortion ever became legal. |
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