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Posted: 3/12/2006 11:43:52 AM EDT
Doesnt seem like too bad a situation but on the other hand the guy did get treated pretty poorly through no fault of his own. Don't know where I come down on this one.
What do you think? LS1Tech thread
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www.carfax.com BC |
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Is it SOP to draw guns when pulling over a stolen car?
Sounds a little liek overkill to me Also - how did the cops KNOW the car was "stolen" - obviously it didn't have the original plate on it (if it was bought from a dealership, and had another owner inbetween), and only the VIN would reveal it to be stolen, which the police cannot read if driving behind the car. I'm starting to wonder if this is a BS story? ETA: I'm seeing (in the thread the Poo linked to) that he claims the dealership sold him the car with the original plates on it, which were apparently the same plates as the first owner, even thought the second owner sold the car to the dealership. Can you do that in Texas? Keep the same plates on the car while changing ownership THREE times, including through a car dealership? |
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Was he ever read his rights? If not and he wants money there you go along with false arrest and other assorted charges he can come up with his lawyer.
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The officers did nothing wrong. They had probable cause it was stolen. Even a hand search would have resulted in a stolen auto report.
I had a case like that once. The car was sold as used by a dealership but the vin was still listed as stolen. Result of sloppy paperwork by the dealership. The old owner was charged with false report and the new owner dealt with the dealership. This was over ten years ago and the MVA obvously didn't cross reference the vin when issuing new registration. Sold with original plates sounds fishy, though. |
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In Calif. plate is registered to car not owner. car sold plate goes with it.(unless vanity plate) Roy |
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If he had just co-operated and not acted up the police would have treated him nicely. Someone got mouthy.
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Yes. High Risk Stop. It's SOP.
Happens alot. Mostly, people driving stolen cars tend to be a little unpredictable.
Definately some BS here.
I'm going to have to call BS on this whole story, unless the car dealer is Pancho's Newly Stolen/Hardly Used Auto Mall in Nuevo Laredo. BC |
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I agree they acted on the info that they had but who is at fault here? I'm not the suing type but in our litigous society if he looks for someone to pay who pays? He has a legit gripe, I think. |
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With a car like that you should have RAN,
Then we could watch you on wildest police videos |
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Cops did everything right considering that the car was still considered stolen and they didn't know that you were in lawful possession but under bad title of the car. The driver is entitled to his ducats back from the dealer. It would be hard to pursue a lawsuit since the cops were acting under the lawful color of authority. If anything, there may be a suit for negligence against any agency that should have red flagged that it was stolen upon registration.
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typical overreacting police...freaking out without really seeing what is appening. One car could have pulled you over. He could have politely asked for license and registraion. That would have ended it. These cops are watching too much TV. You should write a letter to the newspaper just stating the facts. Speak courteously and explain that the community needs to know that these police are overreacting and may end up hurting or killing some little old granny who happens to have a lethal fingernail clippers concealed in her car. Encourage some further training so they can more correctly evaluate their environment and potential crime scenes. These guys are going to shoot someone who holds out their wallet.
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How was the car originally recovered? Did GF take it and then return it, never notifying the police?
Also the new owner would have to regiester the car and it would show up stolen at that time. Sounds like BS to me. ETA: It would have to be registered twice. First to the guy who bought it and then sold it to the dealership and then with the current buyer. Smells fishy. |
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Ain't gonna happen. |
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+2 BC |
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YOUR CRAZY |
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AND you really need some therapy....unitl then...BACK IN YOUR BOX ! ! ! WITH THE TINFOIL HAT NOW |
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i was just going to ask if they shot the black lab, but i didnt see it in the original story so i guess the pooch must have been at home |
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The plates usually stay with the car in Texas. The rest of the story is either BS or lacks a lot of facts. |
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1st thing, I would have gotten out of the car with my hands WAY up, stepped clear of the car, and calmly told them where to find my DL, registration, insurance card, CCW card, and my Ruger. Don't need to get shot because of a mistake that gets straightened out easily enough.
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I would have said, "These are not the droids you are looking for."
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Someone else has been watching too much tv. No need to read Miranda just to arrest. You only need to read someone Miranda if they are in custody and you are asking them questions. Even if you fail to read Miranda under those circumstances, that's not false arrest, or even a criminal act on the part of the po-po. It is a procedural error and any information gained from the questioning will not be admissible. |
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Pooby, the police aren't necessarily at fault. We have often times run into people in their own cars and pulled them out at gunpoint because after they filed a stolen car report, they somehow recovered their own car, or their drug-addict "friend" returned it after some time. They never call the police back to tell them it's been recovered, and it just sits on the books as a stolen until some patrol officer happens to run the plate indiscriminately and gets stolen car hit. The only way to resolve it at that time according to the way we do business is to treat it AS a stolen car until we determine otherwise. So - Felony stop, handguns, cuffs, search the car, etc. Once found to be not stolen - or in his case the former owner hadn't reported recovering his car - the driver/owner would be released w/o charge.
As for dealerships, etc, checking the VIN to verify it's not stolen, they can't. Only LE can do that. Sucky situation to say the least. (Of course it IS possible the original reporting LE agency that took the stolen car report was notified that it had been recovered and they forgot to cancel the stolen hit in NCIC) Could get an original copy of that report to determine if it had in fact been reported recovered by them. |
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This happens here a fair amount. Tards do a self recovery and never tell the po-po about it.
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Thanks for that clarification - I agree that even given that, there are probably still facts missing. Six cruisers and ten officers with guns drawn for a stolen car? |
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Yes. BC |
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A Z06 has the potential to be a fairly decent pursuit. Officers riding double in squads are often recruits with a training officer. So think of it as 6 officers/6 cars since either the recruit is watching how the FTO does things, or the FTO is only watching the recruit's performance. As for there being 6, probably just a matter of they were close by. If not, once there were three, they'd likely have started the stop. The idiot pulling in front of the Vette was totally stupid, and definitely the "John Wayne" attitude that usually gets officers hurt. |
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Wow. That's amazing. If I ever want to rob a bank or something, I'll hire a couple of tweakers to steal some bright yellow Hummers and drive them around erratically in the other end of town |
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