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Posted: 3/5/2006 11:21:07 AM EDT
So, what is the consensus on the hole United Arab Emerits with the port issue.
Good or bad |
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So what is a United Arab Emerit?
Some sort of Arab Ebusiness award? ANdy |
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I think someone needs to really tellGWB that we weren't voting for him but against that fuckstick kerry, therefore he needs to tread very carefully cuz we're about done putting up with his shit.
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Just checked it online, if you Google it you will get sites with both spellings but I'll go along with your spelling given my spelling sucks
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They're not taking control of customs, they're not firing everybody and shipping arabs in to work the ports, they're just taking the profits of port operation. How is that bad again?
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And what exactly are you going to do… not vote for him next time. |
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Bush, obviously, is a lame duck but congress, however, is not. On election day, we can send a very loud message to any representative who agrees to go along with this UAE madness. This port deal has "Bad News" written all over it. |
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I think we don't need yet another thread on this topic.
BTW, it's neither good nor bad. It just is. |
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So your solution is to go brain dead and elect just anybody who may or may not have opposed the port deal just as long as they did not say… good plan. Now that is madness. You going to vote for Hillary now. |
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Oh I don't know, the other one was funny a fvck towards the end ... ANdy |
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nevermind,it's been said.
With that in mind - what's the serious objection to a foreign owner taking some profit from out ports? |
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First of all, it will be freezing in hell before I'd ever vote for hillery. Second, if you can't see what kind of potential problems this port deal to UAE can cause then you seriously need to pull your head out of the sand and buy yourself a huge freakin' clue. This deal is tantamount to selling access to pearl harbor to the japanese during world war 2. What's next? Selling access to our nuclear silos and weapons technology to the russians if they offer us enough money to get them. Ah, screw it! Let's just go ahead and sell the world enough rope they can use to hang us while we're at it. We'll die in the end but, at least, we'll have the most (chinese and mexican made) toys when we do. Really, how hard is this for people to understand? Even if UAE is a good allie of ours (and that's at least somewhat debatable) that doesn't stop them from access to security procedures which, once compromised, could have drastic effects on this nations port security. It simply isn't worth the risk---even if it's a small risk---and it's debatable whether or not the risk is really all that small. That's why we're having this debate in the first place. |
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Don't roll your eyes at me you set the voting rule... You just said you would vote against “any representative who agrees to go along with this UAE madness”. That is a de facto vote foe Hillary if she runs for president against someone who was for the deal. Or did you not rerally mean what you said. |
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Job one for the politicians is getting elected, I would never vote for a dem
But, if we keep voting for the republicans they will keep ignoring our situation They have NOTHING to fear as long as people keep voting them in office They will take notice ONLY if it affects them at the ballot box\voting booth I will not vote for ANY republicans this year, maybe never again, that is the way I chose to use my vote until some semblance of sanity is returned to the legislative process, if you can think of another way to communicate to them I would LOVE to hear it, nothing else has worked, the republicans are better than any of the other alternatives..........they have just gotten so bad they are barely distinguishable from the other flocktards that infest our "halls of power" |
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Screw em!!! If it is not broke then do not fix it!!!!
GWB is pro contract it makes me sick!!! |
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I hope you feel good about your principled position when your guns go bye bye because of the inevitable unintended consequences of your actions. Problem is you take responsible voters down with you. |
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Since the US Customs (which really needs more resources) actually is responsible for what comes into the country I just can't get too worked up over the deal. I DO think the extra 45 days to examine the issue is good. My understanding is that there will not be a bunch of terrorists suddenly in charge of the vessels and containers coming in, simply an UAE company directing operations of the ports in question (probably with domestic security oversight). Again, The extra time to ensure the security is an absolute necessity but to panic and expect Bin Ladin to be in charge of the ports is a bit silly. |
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The only other bidder was ChiCom Government owned really all you need to know.
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I'm here to discuss it, what other alternatives do you suggest? They have stopped listening to us, they are listening to the people that pay them under the table This is not a "principle" issue with me, I am looking for a solution, what is YOUR solution? (It needs to be one that works, not one that just makes us feel like we are contributing) |
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Bingo!!!!! This, essentially, was what I was trying to say in my 2 previous post and both parties of guilty of it (and, yes, virginia it needs to stop)! ML1911, thank you for summing up the situation better than me. |
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The solution is obvious... quit bitching get involved in party politics and work to change things... instead of acting like a 3 year old holding his breath. |
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+1 I am soooooooooo sick of Pres Bush's Shit |
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AGREED!!! |
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Someone pointed out that some of the affected ports were Military ports that transport Military supplies to war zones, possibly giving the enemy access to bills of lading, schedules, logistical information........ Then someone else pointed out that the receiving ports in foreign countries ALREADY get the same information, as they will whether this deal goes through or not This situation is NOT as cut and dried as the illegal situation I still stand by my comments about the legislators ignoring us |
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Cause the British company that did it no longer wants to... clue for everyone. I believe all US port are NOW foreign run… There is only one US company really ready to do the job… guess who that might be and the reaction if the Bush Administration has allowed them the contact no bid. Damned if you do dammed if you don’t. There were two choices here and the other was Chinese. |
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Oh well, there goes any hope of rational discussion with YOU Why don't you try having more than a 3 year old understanding of the QUESTION I ASKED, what YOU propose has been TRIED repeatedly AND IT HAS BEEN FAILING MISERABLY |
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For what it's worth, I have voted in every national election and most state and local elections that has occurred in the last 15 years. I don't go around "acting like a 3 year old holding his breath" as I am [politically] involved and will continue to remain so. Your patronizing response is more than just a little hollow in my opinion and it does nothing but confuse the debate with useless rhetoric. The bottomline (for me anyway) is that there are more important things than money in this world and (especially during a time of war) this shouldn't be to hard to understand. You don't sell access to a critical part of your economy to a nation---any nation----which could help compromise your security either economically or militarily (please remember most of our military forces are shipped across the world via heavy lift ships-----"loose lips sinks ships" and all that comes into play right about here). |
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I love it when a member that has been here for years without breaking 500posts
feels so strongly about a post\thread that they "break silence" |
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What exactly have you run for... What campaigns have you worked on… how many letters do you write… you are indeed part of the problem all whine no substance. |
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Yeah, thats me, part of the problem, I'm pushing this port deal through whether YOU like it or not |
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And what exactly have you done again.... yes you are part of the problem if you are not out the active in the political process and I do not mean voting. Holding your breath like as 3 tear old and have a voting tantrum is not really doing a damn thing to change anything… it might make you fell good but is pretty childish and harmful. |
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Did you read the rest of this page? You seem to be ignoring the other guys agreeing with me |
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What have they done... And what exactly have you done again... still waiting. Just say nothing and get it over with. You bitch continually about illegal immigration… but what exactly have you done about it… did you write any letters, work in any campaigns, orginize anything, patrol any border… what have you done other than bitch... and watching Lou Dobbs does not equate to doing something. |
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Why do you think that I answer to you, why do you think that you have the right to pass judgement on the way that I use my vote, why do you assume that I don't contribute? As soon as you convince me that I answer to you I will give you my report on ALL my activities |
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You don’t have to I already know totality of your activities… cut and paste. |
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Wow, you espouse a failing methodology and then attack me based on some observation that you pulled out of your ass I am still waiting for a suggestion for a workable plan, instead of something that has been tried and failed repeatedly Somehow, I don't think I am going to hear anything other than "get involved" and "you suck" |
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Remember, McCain will probably run again which is not much better than Hillary. Ya never know what that sombitch will do to appease the other side.
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Tick, tick, tick... I am still waiting for you to tell me ONE thing YOU have done... What have YOU actually tried… evidently you have done nothing but talk about how indignant you are. These issues are so important to you have invested absolutely nothing real in them. I would not be surprise to find out you don’t even bother to vote. Enough of this. |
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I'm predicting that it will be one of those vital elections for gun owners where the only "reasonable" options are to vote for A) the guy who pisses on gun rights or B) the one who pisses and shits on them, and voting for a third guy that believes in gun rights is a terrible idea. Just like in 2004...and 2000... |
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I trust the uae a lot more than I trust the US democrat party.
I don't trust the uae at all. Export democrats, import Wolf Ammo. |
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I guess I'll have to read this thread again tomorrow, to re-evaluate it and see if you have a leg to stand on, as of now I don't think you do |
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This issue is one of management control. At management's discretion, they can send a team of internal auditors to ensure the security of their financial assets. Those internal auditors could be 100% American. Yet the information that could be gathered for the owners of the port management could be turned over to bad guys. Internal auditors could ask questions about anything including computer security, data management, security detail surrounding fixed assets, and even...Coast Guard security procedures, the port management may want to enhance that security. With over 10,000 stocks and businesses for sale in the US, why does the UAE need port management. If this is a quid pro quo, then give them some other business, but not something that is such a security issue. |
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