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Posted: 3/1/2006 6:09:36 PM EDT
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I hope this happens. I live in an area surrounded by National Parks and National Recreation Areas, some of the coolest terrain on earth, but I tend to avoid them because of that stupid regulation.
I'll draft a letter tonight, and get it off tomorrow. |
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Why in the Hell would you want to leave this up to the states?
Now, if you are one of the nutless arguing that the 2nd doesn't prevent the states from infringing on the RKBA but only the Fed Gov't, then this is a clear case where the Fed is clearly violating the 2nd. Hand it over to the states and there it goes. I am opposed to this and suggest this might be a perfect SCROTUS case. Some Citizen shoots a couple of lowlife scum trying to assault them or a Griz attempting same and see how that one plays out. Wrong ,wrong tactic. |
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I can tell you if this were left up to the Libtards of California, they would continue the ban. |
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As a LEO here in Cali, I can tell you I am very familar with the ban on firearms in National Parks.
I carry anyway. Let me tell you what I have found over the years. I have met many Federal Ranger LEO types and most of them of pro-second amendment types for the most part. They only have problems with the drunks and crazies who come into the parks from the cities, drink and fire off their guns for no reason. I have had many Ranger LEO types tell me to go ahead and carry, just don't advertise. This also included a Federal Magaistrate in Yosemite Valley. In one case, my friend and I were backpacking into a freshly made "Bill Clinton Monument area" of Cali and the rangers insisted we carry. That's right, I did not make a typo, THEY INSISTED. They told us the mountain lions are out of control and they did not want to pack what was left of us out. I cannot answer how it is in other areas, or for non-LEO types, but I hope the law is relaxed in favor of common sense and not politics as usual. |
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Some of my friends were attacked by mountain lions in a national park. Fortunately, they were violating the regs and could defend themselves. The guy was a poor shot, but he did scare the cat away!
Here is my letter to Gail Norton:
Biggerhammer has sample senator letters (Word/PDF) and congressperson letters (Word/PDF). GOA has a tool to get the contact information for your senator and congressman here. |
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There ya go. |
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When my wife and I lived in southern California, we would go to a couple of nice county/state parks around us. Right below the big sillhouette of a mountain lion on the warning sign was the notice: No firearms allowed. I decided to obey the higher calling of defending my wife and life. |
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Exactly. I have carried in the Smokey Mtn Nat'l Park, various other national and state parks. I have never been stopped or questioned. Just be very discreet, keep it well concealed, and keep your mouth shut. I dont feel a compelling need to blindly follow a stupidass law that leaves me without a means of self-defense, especially when they post a "visit at your own risk" type warning. |
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It is expressly forbidden in TN state parks also, but might vary by state. |
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Okay but this is dealing with NPS land only. Carrying in state parks is irrelevant to this debate. |
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I'll tell ya how it is for us non-LEO types Sarge. It's CA. when it comes to firearms, you are a citizen and I am a subject. |
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Perhaps, but I take the same view regardless of who controls the park - local, state, or federal. |
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Unfortunately, non-LEO citizens do not always get the same courtesy when caught violating the law. Same story with DUI. I always carry in the woods, even in CA, but I know that if I get caught it's gonna cost me 'cuz I don't have a shield to flash. |
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Anyone who goes into the western US wilderness unarmed is a dumbass.
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Writing letters about carrying in state parks may be irrelevant, but the decision --and application of that decision-- to protect your family regardless of unconstitutional laws applies no matter who administers the land your taxes pay for. |
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I need your help in supporting the VCDL sponsored petition for rule making to amend CFR 36, Regulation 2.4 to allow law abiding citizens and off duty law enforcement officers to carry legal, defensive firearms in National Parks. This is the current rule in our National Forests and it works well.
i took that outta the sample letter posted. forgive me for my ignorance, but i didnt think it was legal to carry in the national forest. i was told by a fish and game officer here in florida, that you could only carry during hunting season and only if you had a valid hunting license. have things changed? what am i missing? |
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National Forests usually follow laws of the state where the forest is located. A firearm may not be discharged in the following National Forest areas: (1) within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, developed recreation site or occupied area, or (2) across or on a Forest Development road or an adjacent body of water, or in any manner or place whereby any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge. (36 CFR 261.10 (d)) There are some forests or districts which have additional restrictions which further limit discharging a weapon. Check with the local authorities. |
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Anyone who goes into any wilderness unarmed is a dumbass. There's predators all over the country. Hell, where we used to hunt in NEPA the owner told us to never go without a rifle because they'd had problems with wild dogs. |
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National Forest Lands are usually subject to state laws and hunting laws at that.
Generally carrying guns outside of hunting season is not allowed- see your state's law. |
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www.packing.org/state/all_united_states/
I open carry all the time and I've had local sheriff deputies drive by as I walking down my road into the Nat'l Forest. |
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