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Posted: 1/20/2006 10:46:43 AM EDT
Well, I can't say that I'm surprised. I set up a new Paypal account to accept payments related to a business I own. That business is in no way or form related to firearms, weapons, weapons or firearms parts etc... However, I sold a STG58 kit to a guy (and, as you know, not legally a "firearm" or regulated legally in any way, and the guy lives in a free state) and he sent me the funds via Paypal. So, here's the message I just got from Paypal.
So, I went to the link [the XXXXs] and, as stated, this is their policy:
According to Paypal. "Furthermore, PayPal defines “firearm” consistent with the U.S. Code". So, according to Paypal's own policy, I didn't voilate their code. Now, here's the kicker. When I called them they said the only way to resolve the issue was to log into my account and write an e-mail appeal. They said, "no", there is no one to talk to....writing the e-mail is the only way. So I went to my account and it said... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This limitation of your account privileges cannot be appealed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In conclusion: I suppose I deserve all of this. I opened an account with a company like this in spite of all my buds here at ARFCOM's warnings. I only did it because it wasn't going to be used for anything gun related. Oh, well. So, if you're like me (and don't listen until you've heard something a hundred times) and were or are tempted to open up a Paypal account, let this story be a lesson to you. Now (and I know this has come up before), please suggest some reasonably priced alternatives--so I can accept credit cards on-line. Please suggest company's who don't have retarded policies that they, themselves, don't even understand, company's or options that don't require me to deal with anti-gun asshats. Thanks. P.S. Luckily I was in the habit of transferring all the funds out of the account as soon they appeared. Good thing, because the account is now "suspend" for 180 days after which it will be cancelled/closed. |
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You just have to be carefull,I've had mine for over 5 years and it's still going strong.
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Careful? I'm not sure what that means. I didn't violate their policy, but because they don't even understand their own policy I've been suspended . Those people wouldn't know what a "firearm" was if it bit them in the ass. I guess you mean to never accept payments for anything sharp, pointed, or with parkerization on it. I guess I just don't know how to be that careful...obviously. Now, rereading the policy, this is where they've got me...
Now this goes back to the entire stupidity of defining what an "assault weapon" is. Because this is so confusing in "U.S. Code", I guess "assault weapon" can mean anything Paypal decides it wants it to mean. As a private company, Paypal has the right to work with anyone they want...based on any standards they want. I do not deny them that right. I'm just think the whole thing is retarded. They don't know their asses from a bb gun and I get my account suspended. So, again, could you guys suggest some alternatives so I can accept credit card on-line. Damn I dislike anti-gun companies and idiots. |
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Just dont use any firearm-related words in your PayPal communiques. Is that so freaking hard to do? People whine and moan about their policy like it is a such a big deal or tribulation, somehow I manage to pay and receive money through PayPal for gun deals with no problem.
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What about kitchen knives bought at amazon.com? Those prohibited too? Kitchen knives on ebay no good?
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That's supposed to be O.K. Under their policy. Problem is, they don't even understand their own policy half the time. |
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Decide not to get it deleted. Want to scare the misery with other. |
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explain to me how they figured out what the funds were for?
a while back i bought/sold lots of firearms related products through them and no one ever noticed because we all new not to write in what we were buying/selling in the notes section. |
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It's simple really, don't ever sell guns, gun parts, accys to people, only porn, sexual aides, bondage gear. Nothing like a good M-4 spreader bar with carrier to spice up the love life, YHM Phantom nipple clamps, Analcogs, etc.
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You're smarter than I am. I salute your common sense and forethought. I just didn't even think about it. The guy wanted the kit and we both had Paypal accounts. I didn't even look at the words we used. Oh, well. Again, you're smarter than me. The big point is, however, that no one should have to worry about stupid crap like this. Tell me what is wrong with sending another American some unregulated and totally legal gun parts? Nothing, obviously. |
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www.charge.com
It costs a little bit on a monthly fee basis, but if you have any regular business, you should be able to justify it. |
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I'll say it because no one else has the guts:
WTH were you doing selling an StG?!? Don't sell, only buy! WTH is wrong with you? Sheesh. Really, there's so many people saying PP is anti-gun and just crap in general, I don't know why anyone still uses them. |
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I have no idea, and, frankly, didn't worry about it because I wasn't violating their policy. But, again, because they don't seem to understand what they write or what an "assault weapon" is, apparently I did. And on top of that, I'll never know what, specifically, I did wrong because my suspension "is not open to appeal" or even explanation other than "read our policy" told to me by one of their customer service people who didn't understand it really either. |
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In the year+ that you've been a member on ARFcom, you've probably seen 50 posts about PayPal cancelling accounts for gun stuff. And now you're admitting it to everyone here that you've done it, too. I think you can sue PayPal for discrimination since you're obviously retarded. |
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Yup,when I sell those EVIL hicap Glock mags and I get paid through paypal I ask the buyer to name the item G22 mags or whatever,heck when I bought a LPK on here through a vendor I smiply labelled it a LPK and all was well. Just be carefull |
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Im not going to use a service that doesnt support my constitutional RKBA, I dont care how handy it is for "Other" transactions.
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That's why I cancelled my 5 YO paypal account last year.
Oh and BTW, the NJ gun rights group thinks paypal is not anti-gun |
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nevermind. someone already said it. damn typing before reading... |
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Yes, I do feel fairly dumb (oh, and thanks for rubbin' salt in the wound ). I didn't really post this to remind everyone--yes, once again--what they should already know. I actually wanted some useful suggestions on alternative suggestions for credit card acceptance. I just figured I'll tell you the story behind it...why not. I need people like you to make me feel better about myself and call me names so, maybe, I won't be so stupid in the future. |
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Did anyone realize that Paypal and Ebay might be covering their butts against being arrested for selling "evil" rifle or pistol parts to Commiefornia or any of the other communist states in America? If you sold that STG kit to someone in NY or CA, don't you think, these jurisdictions may come after Paypal or Ebay too? If you ask me, they are just covering their butts because of our stupid politicians and our corrupt law enforcement that will uphold UnConstitutional laws. That's all. And some here...you all know who they are...would be too willing to serve those laws too. |
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That was me... over here I'm in the process of setting up an AlertPay account. Just it's a bit more "process" than PayPal was. No Expert |
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We should ban pay pal from this site and all others. Start your own net-bank.
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I don't know a lot of the details o Paypal, how it all works, their customer agreements, etc. But it sounds enough like a bank, or performs banking functions. Does the Treasury Dept. approve them? That is, do they have a banking license? Something one might want to ask the Treasury about. Nothing to do with firearms and prohibitions, etc. They seem to be handling funds, and some have had problems with non payments, etc. Just a seed planted.
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I think you're right about the first part. If one protests "How can they do this", they will tell you, and even many on this site will defend them, that they are a private business and can do what they wish. OK, ban them wherever you wish. I agree. |
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So, are you already using these guys? Anyone with any experiences with them? And, I guess even more importantly, are they going to "suspend" me for doing perfectly honest, unregulated, and legal things? |
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Getting my Paypal account suspended for selling some totally legal and totally unregulated FAL parts.
The more I think about it, the more that maybe makes me feel O.K. If they're going to do that, I really should--like a lot of you guys have been saying forever --do business with someone else, even if that business was almost always totally un-weapon related. I can handle it. But it is/was kind of irritating. Enough said on my part. I now refer everyone to No Expert's much better link:
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Well, even if you are using paypal for non-gun stuff, your still supporting a business that makes a mockery of the 2nd ammendment, no matter what their reason. Use someone else. Screw paypal...they are yet another business that thinks their crap don't stink, just like Cingular (cust service is about as bad as paypal's treatment of gun people.
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