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Are subs still useful any more besides launching nukes from beneath the waves?
And why does China need more subs when nobody sells to the Taiwan and Taiwan does not have any? Who else are they going to fight? CRC |
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God, I loved the cold war. It will be back on within five years.
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They're the best thing to hunt nuke-launching subs. Also handy to deploy combat swimmer teams. China's economy depends on bulk industrial exports carried by container ships. |
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Laying Mines, covertly collecting intelligence, sinking ships either with Torpedos, Missiles or Mines. Our Commerce depends upon shipping. Without Shipping there would be virtually no international trade. Hence covertly laying mines outside of harbors and in shipping lanes, and sinking ships or the mere threat of sinking ships will curtail trade. The trade may in produced goods, or in natural resources. A Naval Blockade by Submarines can significantly effect an country's economy. |
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Well, yeah...which is why we aren't builing those subs to interdict that trade. Good point. But strategically and historically, land-based powers like the USSR, Germany, and now China is building subs to to even the naval advantages of their enemies. Which explains why the Chinese are building up. |
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I guess so.
But I don't see why Portugal and Greece need subs. We will protec them. |
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Are you threatened by the Greek and Portuguese navies? Let 'em build their military. That is sort of what NATO was about, a coopertive alliance. |
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Does'nt Taiwan have a mutual defense agreement / treaty with the United States? Huh? |
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No way! That would be dynamite. Or better metaphor, throwing gas on a fire. |
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China Gets New Sub, Jerod to appear at launch party. Subway, eat fresh.
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Subs are also quite useful for intelligence gathering and anti-surface warfare.
The best weapon against a sub is another sub. There's two kinds of ships: Submarines and Targets. |
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Interesting that the pic shows a close up of the prop...thought that was a no-no? Maybe just our subs?
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Did you notice how the hub was shrouded? I suppose the blade grooving to reduce cavitation is widely known by now. |
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and our money goes over there |
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Hey, that's great news!
Now the Chinese have a sub to kill their sailors with right on par with the Russian ones! I'd put it on a 15 year timeline before this new coffin is sinking faster than Danny Bonaduce's sobriety....with some fine communist soldiers aboard. |
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You forgot the accent: China Gets New Sub, Jelod to appeal at raunch palty. Sublay, eat flesh. |
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I wonder if Christians In Action got a spy in those Russian shipyards to install a GPS tracker in the subs before shipping them to China.
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Looks like it was never really over. We just convinced ourselves we WON, packed our shit and quit playing. Truth is the other team just subbed in some new players. |
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That's pretty funny. We outspend the Chinese and Russian military COMBINED by a factor of 8 to 1. |
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If it's like everything else mad in China -
It won't work more than one week. It will come packed in thin shitty carboard. It will not include batteries. It will be on the shelf at Walmart by Christmas. |
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Only because we actually pay for what we get. Besides that, with union labor, we pay 10 times what they pay, if not more. You can't compare spending rates. Add to that that our spending also includes the equipment and forces we use to be the world's policeman. |
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Even if you use a pricing parity model, we still outspend them by 4 to 1. Plus China has signficant numbers of troops in Tibet and other internal regions to suppress indigenous movements, the Russians have been fighing an actual war in Chechnya, etc... |
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Quite a fancy prop |
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You're probably right, none of those guys would ever mean us any harm. I'm sure they need these new subs to suppress monks in Tibet. I'm sure road-mobile missiles in North Korea would only ever be used for good... I'm going back to sleep now... |
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Don't forget intelligence gathering... They are good at that. |
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I never said they do not mean us harm. Our military still treats them as serious threats. One of the measures of this is the fact that we spend an absolute ton more money than they do on defense. |
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Getting technongly from Russia for submarine construction or having Russia build it for you.....either way your failure rate is going to be higher than you think. Russia's sub fleet has had a terrible history of failure's and construction quality is not the best. China would mainly be interested in aquiring subs for the purpose of defense from the US Navy should a conflict arise over Taiwan.
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Have we forgotten how Germany nearly strangled Great Britain twice in less than 30 years, until we stepped in? |
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