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Posted: 10/3/2005 4:43:23 AM EDT
Is your house next? Anybody live on a lake or waterfront? Maybe they'll build a hotel where you live.
Sorry, this is just wrong! FYI, if you have nicely placed property that someone might want. www.washtimes.com/national/20051003-122623-2136r.htm
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I just learned from my municipal law director that Ohio law is more restrictive than the recent SCOTUS decision, and that such a land grab for private development purpose is illegal here.
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I was ALWAYS under the impression that a gov land grab must be for public use. Highways, roads, what have you. This taking land and selling it to private parties is total BS. If the private parties want it so bad let them buy it up themselves at the point where landowners are willing to sell. ITS CALLED CAPITALISM! Oh? I'm sorry... You can't make as much money when the landowners will only sell as low as a million dollars? TOO BAD!
Using the gov as a price break -Foxxz |
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Yea that makes sense.
A costal community you can actually afford to live in will be replaced with a yachting and housing complex. They take your house, offer you a spot in their new complex and in return they offer you a job cleaning the shiter. That makes perfect sense FREE |
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I think they are passing similar laws here in Texas. |
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This is what is going to have to happen if people don't want a bunch of fat-asses in some city cubicle deciding to take their homes for the flavor of the month project. Missouri is going to need one I think KC and St. Louis are getting pretty excited about bulldozing people's homes for shopping centers. |
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Riviera beach is a horrible ghetto I hope they do revitalize it. I live about 30 minutes away from Riviera beach and all I can say is good riddance. I wont go into those shit hole neighborhoods with out a fucking rifle. I have been shot at while trying to get to the veterans hospital which is in riviera beach. Riviera beach looks like little Beruit there are bullet holes on the sides of many homes and buildings and burned out cars on a lot of porches there are gangbangers on just about every corner and pimps and prostitutes on just about every block. Nuke Riviera beach from orbit it is the only way to be sure.
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Ask the City of New London CT why it is that they took land from taxpayers and gave it to Pfizer. The OG of eminant domain problems. The city is so bad off financially now, they are on the brink of being run by the state. |
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slum or not, it's easy to say fuk em when it isn't your house being stolen. do you live on a waterway where a hotel could be built? when they get kicked out of riviera beach, do you think they'll move into your neighborhood? watch what you ask for. PS: I have visited the area down there. |
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No justice, no Peace.
My elected officials were notified weeks ago I will burn my money in a big pile before I'll donate $.25 to their re-election if they dare do anything but kick the Keelo ruling out of the state. I've also been shooting off emails to CT. Looks like it's time to add ole brother Jeb to my email list too. |
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What I would like to see about eminent domain is that the land owner is paid twice the appraised value of the property. If the land is so critical that the government must have it then paying a little bit more for it shouldn't be that much of a concern. Then instead of all the land owners getting screwed they will make out ok for having their entire lives disrupted and history destroyed. Did you see in the article where it says they will pay the "assessed" value. I know in most cases the tax assessed value of a house is much less than the appraised value. That means the government could come, kick you out of your own house, and leave you owing tens of thousands of dollars on a mortgage for a property you no longer own.
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That makes it ok to take their homes away? Damn, I woke up in France, holy shit. I hate hairy armpits.
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the problem I have is handing some poor schmucks only property in the world over to some asshole corporation with a ton of cash in its pocket. (IE: hotel builders, ets) so they can make even more bending iover those who can't afford to fight back. Come get my house. |
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I wish I could make it to CT to support the New London guy that says they are going to have to drag his dead body out. |
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Looks like every "poor" area I've ever seen. sure, go ahead and kick them out and steal their property, that should make them turn right into the huxtibles. Like i said, watch what you ask for, or they'll be living next door to you. remember one thing, drug dealers and gang bangers can afford to live just about anywhere they want. yet all those people living there are not those 2 groups. Let's see how your tune changes when it's your house they want. |
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Again, let's hear to tune change when it is your property being stolen. |
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Does the city "Norwood" ring any bells? |
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The vehicle for change should not be violating a near-sacred principle of our economic foundation - the right to private ownership of land. I am disgusted by that train of thought. |
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Riviera beach is the ass hole of west palm beach. I used to work there ,and it is a scary place at night. The thing is that property values are becoming so high down there the govt. should not be allowed to just take their homes. The city can force them to sell out ,without just taking their homes. Dont get me wrong they should change the area it was a real nice area at one time. I just dont agree with just taking their homes so some developers and county commisioners can get rich.
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so how did you manage to put deposits down? get hooked up to electricity , etc? if you were "broke". something tells me your idea of broke and mine are way off. yeah, and my grandmother was the ONLY white woman on her street in SC, she wouldn't move either. Her one reason: this is my house. this isn't about "wanting" to move, it's about wanting to keep the property they own and it not be stolen from them by the gov't to feed to the rich. I know you wish everyone was like you, but fact is, they aren't. |
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that my friend is the crux of the matter. and exactly what is happening. |
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[Viking has said it will pay at least the assessed values of homes and businesses it buys. Other plans for the project include creation of a basin for megayachts with high-end housing, retail and office space, a multilevel garage for boats, a 96,000-square-foot aquarium and a manmade lagoon.
You do realize that tax assessed value is substantually lower than market value. |
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Ah so because it makes you uncomfortable people should be kicked out of their homes? How about you just stay out of their neighborhood and mind your own business instead of advocating un-American priciples? |
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I lived in downtown WPB when they revitalized that area, I lived on Clematis st.. They sould do something to the area, But I dont agree with just taking there homes . New sidewalks ,enforcing codes, a larger police present. But I guess its alot cheaper to just take there homes. |
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heard that before, wasn't true then either. |
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No, it disgusts me. Are you a US citizen by birth? That is not an attack, I sincerely wonder. At no time should it even be considered that evicting people from their legally maintained residence for the purpose of non-public use development is acceptable. You need to check your understanding of the foundations of our Country friend. |
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Well, for your service I thank you. as to this issue, as an American, to have the gov't steal private property from the poorest to give to the rich and or corporations is wrong. If you can not see that, I have serious doubts about what little freedoms we do have left surviving. |
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And yet you are in favor of your fellow citizen's rights being trampled. |
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Kind of makes me wonder too. |
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1. Stealing private property and giving it to developers is wrong even when the "owners" of the property are scum.
2. It strikes me that the "dejected criminal minority class" who lives in that area would have a lot more faith in the american system and in capitalism and all that if, you know, the developer was required to pay them MARKET (not assessed) value for those properties. 3. First they came for the minorities in the coastal getto, but I did nothing because I'm not a minority who lives on a coastal getto; then they came for... well, you get the point. |
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Just another reason to love the Buckeye state! |
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Now there is the understatment of the week!!! Our home, on 1 acre is assessed by the Town at $234 K. Compareable homes without the 30' X 50' 'workshop' have busted the $500 K range. We also have a 1.7 acre buildable lot next to us, assessed at $4500.00, (not improved, raw land) a local Contractor has been trying to buy it for the last year, his last offer was $215 K. |
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+1 Anyone that steals property...I won't say anymore, because it will get this thread locked. Bloodmoon...thanks for your service, but you obviously don't have a clue what our freedom means or what the Constitution stands for. Sure that place may be a dive, but it's THEIR dive. You don't have to live there. But someone stealing their property, just so someone can make more money is stealing. Plain and simple. What about that, don't you understand? Being a thief is ok? You put your life on the line so some government boob and his buddy can get rich off of your "so called" freedom and Rights? Yeah, you really learned a lot about why you fought for our country. Let me guess..criminal justice major...you are going to turn into a JBT and are willing to steal a man's weapons when the government says..."It's too dangerous out there, so take'm boys!". Is that what they are teaching at college these days? |
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don't get it locked, I'd like to hear who else supports this theft. |
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+1 Billion.............of it's that damn important to have, then the local govt should have to pay for the pleasure of taking it away from them
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I don't care how bad an area is when you offer people large sums of money for their property....they'll probably take it.
The problem I have with the Kelo ruling and this goddamned theft that is happening in Riviera beach is that you have DEVELOPERS who DO NOT want to pay market value for the property. This is highly evident just by reading the friggin' article Viking has said it will pay at least the assessed values of homes and businesses it buys. Hey here's a friggin idea....if you can't BUY the property then develop it into "megayacht" basin with "high-end housing", "a multilevel garage for boats" and a "96,000 square foot aquarium" ....THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT! This is but the newest twist of the same shit that happens all over the country with "public/private partnerships" which are nothing but an excuse for cronyism and theft of the public money and now property. Examples: sports stadiums, shopping districts, etc. I can't count the number of these things (developments, high end retail, housing, etc) that have promised the moon in Florida and after the checks were written the company puts up some fences, bulldozes the lot and then goes bankrupt while everyone stands around holding their dicks and pointing at the next guy. It's an atrocious abuse of government and the fact that no one seems to give a shit just cements how far gone we are as a country. When it comes to the public money I'm a ruthless capitalist...if it doesn't make financial sense, it shouldn't be done. This goes TRIPLE when local yokels are running the show with out of town development companies......these bozos are from friggin NEW JERSEY for Christ's sake. (Damn I'm pissed. I don't care how bad an area is, if you OWN it and have paid your taxes the government should stay the hell out of your business.) |
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In the New London case... it was a nice middle class area with a lot of home owners.
Riviera Beach sounds like a typical ghetto shit hole- I wonder how many home owner there really are??? Kind of like new orleans... If you live in the projects- you shouldn't get shit. You didn't work, you didn't pay taxes, you didn't but or improve any property - so fuck you. Why let a bucnh of low lifes occupy water front property??? Buy 'em out. 1 way ticket to Africa or Mexico - your choice. Or if you want to live in a ghetto, we'll build you a new one- further inland. |
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shakes head in disbelief. |
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I will defend my home and property the same way I will defend my Second Amendment rights: with any level of force necessary. Don't push the issue.
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Riviera Beach is a SHITHOLE, welfare sucking crack smoking chickencrackwhore producing shithole.
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I've seen enough COPS episodes to back that up. |
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Me too. If they REALLY wanted change they could enforce building codes, condemn dangerous buildings and the like while staying inside the law. However, they choose to STEAL property they are to cheap to pay going rate for. Fuckin thieves are no better then the whores, pimps and druggies that are there today. BTW, my house is assessed at about 1/3rd it's true value, if that happened to me I'd be screwed. I'd bet its even more whacked there as far as values go. |
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I do believe this is very wrong. It is kind of like "you better sell or we will break your legs…….wait the government will do it for us".
Any of you who actually justify this by judging the people who live there either do not own property or are young. This ruling opens the door for any private developer to attain the right connections to easily claim your land TO MAKE A PROFIT. Remember guys it is the little steps is how you lose them…….your weapon……your house…your rights Another $0.02 |
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