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Posted: 9/12/2005 10:59:14 AM EDT
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Knew that was coming. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:03:35 AM EDT
[#2]
America is better for that decision. Back to the American Quarter Horse Association, or wherever he was getting that necessary disaster relief experience.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:04:19 AM EDT
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Not surprised.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:10:22 AM EDT
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So the person who did not screw up resigns while the people that are responsible skate along… typical.
The Mayor and Governor that failed to act before the fact get a pass. The Mayor and Governor that failed to act after the fact get a pass. The Mayor and Governor that killed people get a pass. Maybe if Brown had learned to cry on cue… |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:13:29 AM EDT
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It wasn't Rumsfeld or Rove, but the MSM and the Democrats finally got a kill.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:20:35 AM EDT
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Kind of shows some guilt on Bush's team. Unfortunately the Democrats will not stop until Bush is the person resigning or being forced out.
What about the governor of LA? Mayor Nagit? Naw, they pay their D union dues. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:25:04 AM EDT
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He will be replaced by Walter Simons.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:27:54 AM EDT
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Lie, cheat and pass the buck. When accused of something, make counter-accusations and point fingers.
One thing I learned working in the corporate world: When the spotlight shines on you, divert that spotlight to someone else. Or else you'll take a fall. You don't always have to know the business to be the boss, but you need to have good people around you and take thier direction when the time comes. I don't think he did anything bad. We know who screwed up the response effort. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:41:00 AM EDT
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Someone had to take one for the team.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:42:46 AM EDT
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Yep... means nothing else. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:44:01 AM EDT
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Why not Nagin or Blanco? Silly Zaphod! Trying to apply logic to Democrats! 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:46:51 AM EDT
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Nagin or Blanco (Democrats) ain't on anybodys team except thier own... the root of the problem. For them politics first the Country's good second… third… 25th. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:48:53 AM EDT
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Let me guess...
He'll probably be leaving with some sort of golden parachute, pay out or pension in the 6 figure range $$$$$$. And after taking a year off to relax, he'll settle into a nice government funded consulting or teaching position at tax payers expense. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:49:50 AM EDT
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You actually believe it's ON the list? 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 11:50:34 AM EDT
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My mistake.
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:01:10 PM EDT
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This is no better than the ROP'ers hanging guys from a bridge. 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:01:44 PM EDT
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The mantra in old days of conglomerates & MBA-types, was you really didn't have to know anything about the business, but surround yourself with people who do. The trouble is why should a company hire anyone with zero experience, and depend on a subordinates to set policy? Mr. Brown was literally way over his head, and that goes for NOLA Mayor Ray Nagin and Gov. Kathy Blanco also. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:09:24 PM EDT
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I concur wholeheartedly. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:17:27 PM EDT
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Please explain how Brown was in over his head… At this point it has been definitively been show that FEMAs response to this hurricane was the fastest response in US history. FEMA responded right on the expected schedule. This DESPITE the fact FEMA was continually hampered by monumental incompetence by Louisiana and New Orleans officials Brown is clear and simple a scapegoat for the Democrats and MSM to hide where the real blame lies, at the State and Local level. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:22:42 PM EDT
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I disagree. Brown was unqualified and padded his resume in order to appear qualified. For that reason alone he had to go. No, I don't blame Brown for what happened . NO's Mayor and LA's Govenor will get what's coming to them as well. If they had any integrity they would resign.. We all know that most politicians have no shame so they will have to be dumped in the next election. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:23:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:26:49 PM EDT
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Sorry but the simple facts do not support this contention. Repeating Brown was incompetent means absolutely NOTHING… that is all you are doing. What EXACTLY has Brown done wrong? Brown has handled many hurricanes in the past with no few complaints. Last year Brown handled the worst hurricane season in decades and did a good job. What changed from last year… the Local and State officials that is all. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:31:54 PM EDT
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Yup. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:32:01 PM EDT
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The problem was there seems to be some fluff in his Bio. I'm not sure why that was done, but if it's correct then it sure makes it hard to stand up and defend him. You will have your legs cut off from under you. It seems some of the Bio items were puffed up. That wasn't smart.
I still think he didn't become incompetent overnight when he managed 5 previous disasters, but there will be no way to get that across now. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:35:41 PM EDT
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Yes but the puffed up qualifications make a defense nearly untenable. I don't know if he did that or if someone else did to make it look better but that sunk him. Honestly I'm not opposed to making that a qualification based position over a straight appointment, but that would not change what was at the heart of this issue. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:41:45 PM EDT
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The claim about the "puffed up qualification" refers to a job 30 years ago. That would make it irrelevant.
His years as chief of FEMA (5 years), deputy chief for FEMA, and legal council for FEMA is more relevant, I'd think... |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:49:06 PM EDT
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Well as you imply the only evidence we have he fluffed his resume is what was on the FEMA web site, did he do that, or did the web designer, someone at FEMA… we don’t know. It is a convenient smokescreen behind which irrelevant attacks are launched at Brown and the Federal response. We do not know who fluffed Brown’s resume but we do know: Brown and FEMA did NOT keep the Red Cross and Salvation Army out of New Orleans… the Governor did. Brown did not leave hundreds of NEEDED school and transit buses in low level areas to be fooled and turned in to scrap. Brown did not cause the Governor of LA to forget for 2 days she had hundreds of NEEDED school and transit buses OUTSIDE of New Orleans she could commandeer for evacuation (which she only had the power to commandeer). Brown did not cause the Governor of LA to forget to request help form surrounding states National Guard units (which she is required to by law before they can help). Brown did not cause the Governor of LA to forget to request Federal troops (which she is required to by law before they can help). Brown is a scapegoat... but the truth is out there and the truly guilty can no longer hide behind Brown. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 12:57:11 PM EDT
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I'm not saying they are directly relevent, but we all know that once someone says his "qualifications were overblown" that coming back with "yeah but that was 30 years ago and besides....." will not be effective. Yes, he's being scapegoated, but there was no longer any way to really win. I agree with you guys on the merits of his performance, but he was sunk the minute that came out. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 1:04:33 PM EDT
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I know…. You are speaking from the view of political perception... which has little to do with what is right or true. The press and Democrats know Brown’s 30 year old resume listings are not relevant but that has not stopped them. It is disgusting… but it was something that had to be dealt with none the less. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 2:05:07 PM EDT
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Why? The "team" controls the executive, the legislative, and gets to pick 2 SCOTUS judges this year. If Brown was really competent, there's no reason for him to resign. I do think that both the Mayor and the governor share most of the blame for the tragedy, but I'm fairly sure we can find someone more qualified than Brown at cleaning up the mess made by local authorities. |
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Posted: 9/12/2005 2:07:35 PM EDT
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we need a harikari animated icon just for this sort of thing. 
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Posted: 9/12/2005 2:21:22 PM EDT
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Nah, he was fired from the "horsey job"... guessing gross incompetance, but just conjecture 
I have yet to see anything (aside from assertions on ARFCOM) that would make me agree w/your assesment to the Gov, but the Mayor? Yup, his ass needs replaced! IF the Gov DID keep relief from going INTO NO... well, that certainly needs to be addressed, I've yet to see anything "official"about that yet (of course, I've not LOOKED either). But I've seen AND heard a LOT (even from Republicans/Conservatves) that blast Brown... so.... (and the Mayor asshat).
Some fluff? Saying you were Assistant Director when you were the assistant TO the Director? Assistant Directoor is a REAL position, assistant TO the director is a lackey. The first doesn't get the director's lunch, the second typically DOES. Come on, SOME fluff??? SERIOUS disasters shine a spotlight on the VERY compentant, and the extremely incompetant. Smaller disasters make incompetance harder to notice, that's all. (Not to say that the FL hurricane disasters weren't SERIOUS, they were, but FL has both more EXPERIENCE w/hurricanes (small and large) as well as not having fragile infrastructure to exacerbate an already bad situation). IOW, if the levies had held, none of us would even know who the Phoque Mike Brown IS. As the hurricane damage itself was serious, but not catastrophic. The levies going is what turned a disaster into a catastrophy. |
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