The so-called "official" thread is full of a lot of stuff that doesn't get to the point.

Is there a case of or cases of confiscation that doesn't involve illegal concealed/open carry?  In other words, where someone,for example, evacuating but transporting in compliance with statutes?

If evacuating, what is a legal transport method?

And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes?

Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes?

x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi

did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms.

Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms.

They took these guys guns not all guns.

Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms. Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again

IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation.....

Quoted: IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation.....

I'd be interested in viewing any linked material you can provide.

Quoted: Quoted: Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation.....

The best info I've been able to find shows, vaguely,  that LA is an open carry friendly state.  The problem is that when something is legal they don't normally have to write down laws saying it's legal.  NRAILA law info does not say that it is illegal.

The video does actually show officers breaking and entering.  Yet another episode of criminal wrongdoing.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation..... The best info I've been able to find shows that LA is an open carry friendly state. The video does actually show officers breaking and entering.  Yet another episode of criminal wrongdoing.

If they're breaking in without a warrant, then it sounds like stealing to me.

All in the name of "public safety".............those guys in the mansion are now sitting ducks if the looters or thugs decide to come by and break in.........and the police just put them at a distinct advantage

Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms.

I get audio but no video.  The audio is disturbing. Can't carry in your own home?  Has any one resisted with armed force?

Louisiana State Constitution Article I Sec 11

Right to Keep and Bear Arms The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not beabridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

Misc provisions

§1796.  Preemption of state law No governing authority of a political subdivision shall enact after July 15, 1985, any ordinance or regulation more restrictive than state law concerning in any way the sale, purchase, possession, ownership, transfer, transportation, license, or registration of firearms, ammunition, or components of firearms or ammunition; provided, however, that this Section shall not apply to the levy and collection of sales and use taxes, license fees and taxes and permit fees, nor shall it affect the authority of political subdivisions to prohibit the possession of a weapon or firearm in certain commercial establishments and public buildings. Added by Acts 1985, No. 741, §1, eff. July 17, 1985.

state law

§95.  Illegal carrying of weapons A.  Illegal carrying of weapons is: (1)  The intentional concealment of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person; or (2)  The ownership, possession, custody or use of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used as a dangerous weapon, at any time by an enemy alien; or (3)  The ownership, possession, custody or use of any tools, or dynamite, or nitroglycerine, or explosives, or other instrumentality customarily used by thieves or burglars at any time by any person with the intent to commit a crime; or (4)  The manufacture, ownership, possession, custody or use of any switchblade knife, spring knife or other knife or similar instrument having a blade which may be automatically unfolded or extended from a handle by the manipulation of a button, switch, latch or similar contrivance. (5)(a)  The intentional possession or use by any person of a dangerous weapon on a school campus during regular school hours or on a school bus.  "School" means any elementary, secondary, high school, or vo-tech school in this state and "campus" means all facilities and property within the boundary of the school property.  "School bus" means any motor bus being used to transport children to and from school or in connection with school activities.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation..... The best info I've been able to find shows that LA is an open carry friendly state. The video does actually show officers breaking and entering.  Yet another episode of criminal wrongdoing. If they're breaking in without a warrant, then it sounds like stealing to me.

Not  just stealing, it's ARMED ROBBERY(well if somone is home).

Thanks.  Off to breakfast.  I'm still agitated over that video.   Grabbing someone brandishing in a public place is one thing.  Going into a home and taking the firearm of someone minding their own business should be a capital offense.

Sounds like there is no shortage of "good germans" in the NG and NOPD.  It would be good to see a resigned PO on the air railing against illegal confiscations.
 

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms. I get audio but no video.  The audio is disturbing. Can't carry in your own home?  Has any one resisted with armed force?

You may need to download the DIVX codec to get it to properly play.  .avi files are often encoded with that.

Quoted: All in the name of "public safety".............those guys in the mansion are now sitting ducks if the looters or thugs decide to come by and break in.........and the police just put them at a distinct advantage

Possibly, that was the point.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms. I get audio but no video.  The audio is disturbing. Can't carry in your own home?  Has any one resisted with armed force? You may need to download the DIVX codec to get it to properly play.  .avi files are often encoded with that.

OK thanks, while I'm usually able to view stuff linked on sites, I also have trouble playing DVD's.
It keeps saying I need a codec, but is there one that will play everything?

Keep in mind that NOLA is the genesis of "we are going to sue the USA gun manufacturers out of business."

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And are there clear cases of rational people having their firearms illegally confiscated from their homes? x602.putfile.com/videos/25022023432.avi did you watch the video?  they are taking up ALL firearms. I get audio but no video.  The audio is disturbing. Can't carry in your own home?  Has any one resisted with armed force? You may need to download the DIVX codec to get it to properly play.  .avi files are often encoded with that. OK thanks, while I'm usually able to view stuff linked on sites, I also have trouble playing DVD's. It keeps saying I need a codec, but is there one that will play everything?

VLC will play just about anything.

http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tag=srch&qt=VLC&tg=dl-20&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=+Go%21

Quoted: They took these guys guns not all guns. Looks or in this case Sounds like they got caught open carrying. Still no hard evidence of mass confiscation or purpose door to door searches for guns. This is why you have more than one gun so as soon as the cops leave you are armed again

Did you miss the part of the video where they said "Instructions to disarm anyone inside" and "No one will be able to be armed, we will take all weapons?"  Or that part of the video where they said "street by street, house to house"?  I'd say that's all the hard evidence you need.

Yes they took these guys guns, but they're in the process of getting all of them.

Sounds like time to go to court!  Granted it doesn’t do the poor souls any good at this time, but as the saying goes, "Pay back is a mother #$%*."  The numbers could go high, official oppression, home invasion, theft, and violation of civil rights.  One could only wish!  This will be thrown into state court and given the gun sales in the rest of the state the public officials are going to get an a*! kicking at the ballot box.  Keep in mind the voter base in NO is now in other states.

tag

Quoted: Quoted: IIRC in LA open carry is legal, so how do you get "caught" doing something that legal?? There have also been several stories in the news about cops going to peoples houses and taking thier guns. Thats door to door confiscation..... I'd be interested in viewing any linked material you can provide.

In one of the other threads, I posted links to the relevant Louisiana statues the allow the Governor, in times of emergency, to restrict the sale or transportation of firearms.  Under those statutes, people who are found carrying in the streets could be stopped.  But there is absolutely no legal authority for going into people's homes and confiscating their firearms.

Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168864,00.html

blatantly unConstitutional.
so much for that "the police will never follow an order to round up all the guns" line that some people use

Quoted: I get audio but no video.

www.divx.com/divx/play/download/
get the free download. when you install it all you really need to select is the "divx codec" option. the player is not needed as Windows Media Player will play a divx file once the codec is installed

The local government down there is out of control!

Interesting what you can find with search functions and a little time.

Right to keep and bear arms, From the Louisiana Constitution:

11.  Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Section 11.  The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.  


Theft of a firearm (in this case by "the authorities"):

RS 14:67.15  

§67.15.  Theft of a firearm

A.  Theft of a firearm is the misappropriation or taking of a firearm which belongs to another, either without the consent of the other to the misappropriation or taking or by means of fraudulent conduct, practices, or representations.  An intent to deprive the other permanently of the firearm is essential.

B.  For purposes of this Section, "firearm" means a shotgun or rifle, or a pistol, revolver, or other handgun.

C.(1)  For a first offense, the penalty for theft of a firearm shall be imprisonment with or without hard labor for not less than two years nor more than ten years, without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence and a fine of one thousand dollars.

(2)  For a second offense, the penalty for theft of a firearm shall be imprisonment with or without hard labor for not less than five years nor more than fifteen years, without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence and a fine of two thousand dollars.

(3)  For a third and subsequent offense, the penalty for theft of a firearm shall be imprisonment at hard labor for not less than fifteen years nor more than thirty years, without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence and a fine of five thousand dollars.

Acts 1994, 3rd Ex. Sess., No. 122, §1; Acts 2000, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 116, §1.

Blackwater operatives

RS 37:3291
§3291.  Unlawful commissions

A.  It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly commit any of the following acts:

(1)  Provide contract security services without possessing a valid license.  

(2)  Employ any individual to perform the duties that are regulated by this Chapter, who is not the holder of a valid registration card.  

B.  It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly commit any of the following:

(1)  Provide or perform security services without a valid registration card.  

(3)  Carry a firearm in the performance of his duties without a valid registration card.  

RS 37:3285
§3285.  Transportation of firearms

An armed security officer whose duties require the transporting of a firearm to and from the work assignment and his residence, or between assignments, shall be required to have in his possession an armed registration card issued by the board.  This registration card does not permit the carrying of concealed weapons.  


Louisiana firearms preemption

RS 40:1796
§1796.  Preemption of state law

No governing authority of a political subdivision shall enact after July 15, 1985, any ordinance or regulation more restrictive than state law concerning in any way the sale, purchase, possession, ownership, transfer, transportation, license, or registration of firearms, ammunition, or components of firearms or ammunition; provided, however, that this Section shall not apply to the levy and collection of sales and use taxes, license fees and taxes and permit fees, nor shall it affect the authority of political subdivisions to prohibit the possession of a weapon or firearm in certain commercial establishments and public buildings.

Here's a bunch o' links:

Emergency powers in Lousiana statutes:

www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=78434
www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=85648
www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=85670
www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=85673
www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=207682

La. governor's declaration of state of emergency:

www.gov.state.la.us/2005%20Executive%20orders/26PublicHealthEmergencyDeclaration.pdf

Some news articles about martial law, gun confiscation, etc.

www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/09/08/martial.law.qanda/

www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?ex=1126843200&en=3848efb32682ed57&ei=5070&emc=eta1

www.slate.com/id/2125584/

Entry on law professor Eugene Volokh's blog:

volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_09_04-2005_09_10.shtml#1126317466

Some old US Supreme Court opinions about martial law and seizure of property, imprisonment, etc.:

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=212&invol=78#83
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=287&invol=378