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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How do you "contact staff" -EDIT - Calling 82ndABN!

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:40:55 PM EDT

I tried IMing the sys message, it is not accepting.

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:42:33 PM EDT

[#1]

That's because IMs to "system message" don't go anywhere

edit If you click "IM messages" type "Striker" in the "send message to" line then click "go" and you can send him a message.

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:44:33 PM EDT

[#2]

Aimless, I posted a poll specifically to LEOs asking whether they would obey orders to confiscate - staff shut it down and told me to contac them with my complaints...I think that poll is vital...how do I explain why it is so important to staff so that they might reopen it?

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:47:36 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Aimless, I posted a poll specifically to LEOs asking whether they would obey orders to confiscate - staff shut it down and told me to contac them with my complaints...I think that poll is vital...how do I explain why it is so important to staff so that they might reopen it?

Ford, if you notice, 82nd Abn included a link to a thread entitled "What do you think about the firearm confiscation in New Orleans?" which makes yours arguably a duplicate topic. Locking of threads on the same subject that come after the original is intended to cut down on several threads on exactly the same subject.
No big deal, really.

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:50:53 PM EDT

[#4]

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I tried IMing the sys message, it is not accepting.

Try starting a thread in the AZHTF with a title of Tango Oscar November,,,,,,,,,,

Just kidding! Bad idea. Post it in the WA HTF....

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:52:27 PM EDT

[#5]

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Aimless, I posted a poll specifically to LEOs asking whether they would obey orders to confiscate - staff shut it down and told me to contac them with my complaints...I think that poll is vital...how do I explain why it is so important to staff so that they might reopen it?
Ford, if you notice, 82nd Abn included a link to a thread entitled "What do you think about the firearm confiscation in New Orleans?" which makes yours arguably a duplicate topic. Locking of threads on the same subject that come after the original is intended to cut down on several threads on exactly the same subject.
No big deal, really.

Hey, Doublefeed, thanks. Actually, asking LEOs whether THEY will obey an order to take our guns is very different from a general question to a bunchof gun guys as to what they think. It is all in how you ask they question. LEOs can say in the other thread theydon't like it...but in my thread that they WILL confiscate! very different question, very differnet target group!

Posted: 9/8/2005 5:53:29 PM EDT

[#6]

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Aimless, I posted a poll specifically to LEOs asking whether they would obey orders to confiscate - staff shut it down and told me to contac them with my complaints...I think that poll is vital...how do I explain why it is so important to staff so that they might reopen it?

At the bottom right hand corner of the system message box it tells who locked it, that's who you want to IM. The buttons in that system message box don't work.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:02:39 PM EDT

[#7]

shit guys! you can't tell me you guys don't want to know what percentage of LEOs will obey an order to confistate guns! I have IMed 82ndABN asking him to reconsider....

If you ask whether gun confiscation is OK on a gun board, 99% of posters will say it's not ok...
if you ask LEOs whether they will obey an order to confiscate, well...WE DON"T KNOW WHAT THE RESULT WILL BE SINCE 82ndABN LOCKED IT!

Come on, surely i'm not the only one that can see the distinction in the questions, and to the target groups.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:08:15 PM EDT

[#8]

Ford, you're not going to get an accurate answer. Here's on this site, you have the gun owner LEOs. Not all LEOs are gun owners. Some of them hate guns.
The LEOs we have here know when to ignore a topic and when to answer. Your topic would be ignored.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:11:03 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Ford, you're not going to get an accurate answer. Here's on this site, you have the gun owner LEOs. Not all LEOs are gun owners. Some of them hate guns.
The LEOs we have here know when to ignore a topic and when to answer. Your topic would be ignored.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

I'd normally agree with you but within about 5 minutes we had 2 LEOs say they WOULD confiscate! we're talking about people that are inclined to be here, with the reaonable inference that they are like-minded gun folks, and they said they would obey the order to confiscate!

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:13:53 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ford, you're not going to get an accurate answer. Here's on this site, you have the gun owner LEOs. Not all LEOs are gun owners. Some of them hate guns.
The LEOs we have here know when to ignore a topic and when to answer. Your topic would be ignored.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

I'd normally agree with you but within about 5 minutes we had 2 LEOs say they WOULD confiscate! we're talking about people that are inclined to be here, with the reaonable inference that they are like-minded gun folks, and they said they would obey the order to confiscate!

Sure they would, because they see an actual benefit: persuading the people to leave New Orleans.
Now, if you were to ask if they would confiscate in a vacuum, ie, if there were no public health risk and no underlying motivation to anger the people so they'd leave, you'll likely get a quite different answer.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:14:45 PM EDT

[#11]

...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:16:55 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...

It simply is that the topic was a duplicate. Yes, there is a distinction between the wording, but the topic is Gun confiscation in New Orleans.
He's probably off somewhere muttering about the legs.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:18:55 PM EDT

[#13]

The problem with your post was that it bumped one of the 200 New Orleans post down the page and we just couldn't bear that.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:19:01 PM EDT

[#14]

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:20:23 PM EDT

[#15]

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Quoted:
...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...
It simply is that the topic was a duplicate. Yes, there is a distinction between the wording, but the topic is Gun confiscation in New Orleans.
He's probably off somewhere muttering about the legs.

Aimless, would you ever let the other atty control your cross examination? The question was distinct, and needs to be answered. I give up guys. We KNOW how therun of the mill LEO will handle the order to confiscate. If I am the only soul that gives a shit about what gun-minded LEOs would do, then screw it. I know how I will answer the fucking door.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:21:20 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...
It simply is that the topic was a duplicate. Yes, there is a distinction between the wording, but the topic is Gun confiscation in New Orleans.
He's probably off somewhere muttering about the legs.

Aimless, would you ever let the other atty control your cross examination? The question was distinct, and needs to be answered. I give up guys. We KNOW how therun of the mill LEO will handle the order to confiscate. If I am the only soul that gives a shit about what gun-minded LEOs would do, then screw it. I know how I will answer the fucking door.

Post it in the LEO forum. Posting it in GD is just asking for non-LE types to respond so it wouldn't be a really valid poll anyway, methinks.

And no, you are not the only one who is curious.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:24:29 PM EDT

[#17]

It's a dumb question. The question you need to ask is what will you do when they come for your guns?

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:26:46 PM EDT

[#18]

What guns??

OOOH those well ya see we were fishing out off point 4 and one hell uva storm blew in and um well ya see

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:27:50 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...
It simply is that the topic was a duplicate. Yes, there is a distinction between the wording, but the topic is Gun confiscation in New Orleans.
He's probably off somewhere muttering about the legs.

Aimless, would you ever let the other atty control your cross examination? The question was distinct, and needs to be answered. I give up guys. We KNOW how therun of the mill LEO will handle the order to confiscate. If I am the only soul that gives a shit about what gun-minded LEOs would do, then screw it. I know how I will answer the fucking door.

I used to be a GD mod. I know how and why they lock topics. When 82nd links to another thread, he's telling you that your's is a duplicate.
Two ways to avoid confiscation:
You are elsewhere.
Your guns are elsewhere.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:27:59 PM EDT

[#20]

IBAL= In Before Another Lock

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:29:48 PM EDT

[#21]

+1

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:29:59 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
shit guys! you can't tell me you guys don't want to know what percentage of LEOs will obey an order to confistate guns!

57%

... of course - the perfect number.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:30:19 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
It's a dumb question. The question you need to ask is what will you do when they come for your guns?

Man, I gotta agree with you here - I just wanted to give LEOs a chance to prove us wrong - all those posts about how they would cave in and go house to house, collecting guns, and this was an excellent chance to get some hard data on that specific question.

Looks like 82ndABN would rather make room for "what your drinking tonight" and "which dog food."

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:32:37 PM EDT

[#24]

Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:34:41 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
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...and after saying I should "contact staff with [my] complaints" he won't respond to my IMs - I just wanted to make the point that they are two very different questions. If the poll is otherwise objectionable, then I'd understand and stand down, no problem. I just was hoping to get some sort of good faith answer, from one ABN soldier to another...
It simply is that the topic was a duplicate. Yes, there is a distinction between the wording, but the topic is Gun confiscation in New Orleans.
He's probably off somewhere muttering about the legs.

Aimless, would you ever let the other atty control your cross examination? The question was distinct, and needs to be answered. I give up guys. We KNOW how therun of the mill LEO will handle the order to confiscate. If I am the only soul that gives a shit about what gun-minded LEOs would do, then screw it. I know how I will answer the fucking door.
I used to be a GD mod. I know how and why they lock topics. When 82nd links to another thread, he's telling you that your's is a duplicate.
Two ways to avoid confiscation:
You are elsewhere.
Your guns are elsewhere.

Doublefeed, seriously, thanks for the input, but if you can't see the difference in the two questions, and the two target groups, I can't make you understand. Shit looks like shinola, but one is great on your shoes...!

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:35:19 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

Use Old Spice next time.

I don't think he is trolling, it seems like a timely topic, and I was curious as well.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:37:24 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

he still hasn't answered my IM either. Like I said, if there is some other reason why the question is objectionable, im a big boy, I understand the site has gotta do what it's gotta do, just tell me that, and no problem. I can't even get the courtesy of his(their) rationale..

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:40:56 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

Use Old Spice next time.

I don't think he is trolling, it seems like a timely topic, and I was curious as well.

I actually thought his comment was directed at 82ndABN? Hope it wasn't aimed at me!
I just can't believe there isn't massive interest in this topic. I don't get it.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:41:31 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

he still hasn't answered my IM either. Like I said, if there is some other reason why the question is objectionable, im a big boy, I understand the site has gotta do what it's gotta do, just tell me that, and no problem. I can't even get the courtesy of his(their) rationale..

IM & Email turned off
What is it you would like to say???

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:45:14 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Taking a big whiff

Sniffing the air

somethin ain't right

he still hasn't answered my IM either. Like I said, if there is some other reason why the question is objectionable, im a big boy, I understand the site has gotta do what it's gotta do, just tell me that, and no problem. I can't even get the courtesy of his(their) rationale..

IM & Email turned off
What is it you would like to say???

who's is turned off? mine? i got one from someone else saying they were interested also. I sent him an im (if I did it right) explaining the questions were different, how they were different, and asking him to reconsider. tried to be tactful andpolite (obviously tough for me!) no response.

My point is that it is possible for an LEO to say in the other poll that he did not agree with the poll...
But to say in mine that he would comply with the order to confiscate!

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:47:25 PM EDT

[#31]

Possible: Yes
Realistic: No
Unless they just wanted to screw with you.

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:50:10 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Ford, you're not going to get an accurate answer. Here's on this site, you have the gun owner LEOs. Not all LEOs are gun owners. Some of them hate guns.
The LEOs we have here know when to ignore a topic and when to answer. Your topic would be ignored.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Can't disagree, cause I think we know where most of them stand.

TXL

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:54:57 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Ford, you're not going to get an accurate answer. Here's on this site, you have the gun owner LEOs. Not all LEOs are gun owners. Some of them hate guns.
The LEOs we have here know when to ignore a topic and when to answer. Your topic would be ignored.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Can't disagree, cause I think we know where most of them stand.

TXL

My topic would be ignored? We'll never know...IT"S LOCKED!

Posted: 9/8/2005 6:55:50 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Quoted:
shit guys! you can't tell me you guys don't want to know what percentage of LEOs will obey an order to confistate guns!

57%

... of course - the perfect number.

Everyone knows it is

87%

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:01:40 PM EDT

[#35]

It sucks, but it's their job as an LEO to obey their officers. I’m in the military...everyone knows that it's NOT a democracy. The LEO's are in the same position as I often am (not in agreement with management). Because I don't agree with what the "uppers" tell me doesn't mean that I don’t obey what they tell me to do. It's their job to carryout whatever orders are given. If they don't agree and obey with said orders...than they risk loosing their job. If I was an LEO I would take their guns...It's a job, and it sucks that it has come to this point, but if "they" say that it's got to be done, than its got to be done.

Edit to add: I would ask for their weapons...if they say they dont have any...than thats that...no force needed.

I am curious for the LEO's answers as well.

-Derek

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:06:41 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Aimless, I posted a poll specifically to LEOs asking whether they would obey orders to confiscate - staff shut it down and told me to contac them with my complaints...I think that poll is vital...how do I explain why it is so important to staff so that they might reopen it?

At the bottom right hand corner of the system message box it tells who locked it, that's who you want to IM. The buttons in that system message box don't work.

How'd ya find that out

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:09:11 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
It sucks, but it's their job as an LEO to obey their officers. I’m in the military...everyone knows that it's NOT a democracy. The LEO's are in the same position as I often am (not in agreement with management). Because I don't agree with what the "uppers" tell me doesn't mean that I don’t obey what they tell me to do. It's their job to carryout whatever orders are given. If they don't agree and obey with said orders...than they risk loosing their job. If I was an LEO I would take their guns...It's a job, and it sucks that it has come to this point, but if "they" say that it's got to be done, than its got to be done.

Edit to add: I would ask for their weapons...if they say they dont have any...than thats that...no force needed.

I am curious for the LEO's answers as well.

-Derek

I disagree, they take an oath to uphold The Constitution, not an oath to obey their "uppers".
The Constitution they swear to uphold, clearly states "Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
Hence the relevence of the thread.

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:14:05 PM EDT

[#38]

you don't need to ask. EVERYONE of them with obey if they will loose their job if they don't. internet talk is BS. all of the guys that are saying "from my cold dead hands" and "i know how i would answer the door" will give up thier guns and do what they are told. this country has not been America for many years. everyone on this and every other gun forum (myself included) are all pussys. the strongest rebelion you will ever see will be people running away to hide and try to survive. this is the pathetic truth.

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:17:52 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Quoted:
It sucks, but it's their job as an LEO to obey their officers. I’m in the military...everyone knows that it's NOT a democracy. The LEO's are in the same position as I often am (not in agreement with management). Because I don't agree with what the "uppers" tell me doesn't mean that I don’t obey what they tell me to do. It's their job to carryout whatever orders are given. If they don't agree and obey with said orders...than they risk loosing their job. If I was an LEO I would take their guns...It's a job, and it sucks that it has come to this point, but if "they" say that it's got to be done, than its got to be done.

Edit to add: I would ask for their weapons...if they say they dont have any...than thats that...no force needed.

I am curious for the LEO's answers as well.

-Derek

I disagree, they take an oath to uphold The Constitution, not an oath to obey their "uppers".
The Constitution they swear to uphold, clearly states "Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
Hence the relevence of the thread.

+1 there is also a mechanism to deal with an illegal order. Sledhead907, ever hear of LT. Calley? he was just following orders. Ever hear of Neremburg? "JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS!"

"just following orders" didn't carry the day in Neurmburg: Didn't save Lt. Calley's ass either.

this just proves my personal convictioni that we have such short memories, we are unable to learn from our own history, from our own mistakes. Please re-think this sledhead. Remember your "general orders?" what if a specific order conflicts with one of your general orders...say, I shall not leave my post unless properly relieved.....

EDit: and sledhead, you can't tell me they stopped telling you about Lt. calley in basic....I got it in basic, and in OCS, and in OBC, in OAC, in CAS3....

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:21:19 PM EDT

[#40]

Yes, they take an oath...if they like their jobs than they will do the job that they were told to do. In my opinion if it's out of site and out of mind than who am I to go in someone's house looking for guns? If they are outside waving it around...I would take it...try to anyways

Sorry to hijack your thread FordGuy...some of the responces stired my curiosity...just wanted to put my .2 cents in.

-Derek

Quoted:
Quoted:
It sucks, but it's their job as an LEO to obey their officers. I’m in the military...everyone knows that it's NOT a democracy. The LEO's are in the same position as I often am (not in agreement with management). Because I don't agree with what the "uppers" tell me doesn't mean that I don’t obey what they tell me to do. It's their job to carryout whatever orders are given. If they don't agree and obey with said orders...than they risk loosing their job. If I was an LEO I would take their guns...It's a job, and it sucks that it has come to this point, but if "they" say that it's got to be done, than its got to be done.

Edit to add: I would ask for their weapons...if they say they dont have any...than thats that...no force needed.

I am curious for the LEO's answers as well.

-Derek

I disagree, they take an oath to uphold The Constitution, not an oath to obey their "uppers".
The Constitution they swear to uphold, clearly states "Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
Hence the relevence of the thread.

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:27:49 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Possible: Yes
Realistic: No
Unless they just wanted to screw with you.

so you are saying it is unrealistic to say "sure I disagree with the confiscation, but if told to do it, I would comply with the order." How is that unrealistic? Have you never done something you weren't comfortable with?

Is it unrealistic to say, "I disagree with the rule about driving 55, but I will comply with the law."

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:31:24 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
If they are outside waving it around...I would take it...try to anyways

If they are a lawabiding citizen, minding their own business, in their own yard, you feel justified with taking a weapon from that citizen?

How do you reconcile that with the oath you took to uphold The Constitution? Are your orders more important than the promise (oath) you made to your bosses (the citzens who pay you)

Not flaming......I am genuinely curious as to your mindset, considering how much of a gross misuse of power this is to me.

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:32:51 PM EDT

[#43]

your IM was answered an hour ago. If you want to discuss / debate the confiscation issue, do it in one of the several threads already running.

Posted: 9/8/2005 7:33:42 PM EDT

[#44]

duplicate topic

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