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Posted: 8/19/2005 10:18:33 AM EDT

Those of us who have been around guns for a while have at one time or another encountered wierd and obscure guns, that despite having little success in the (American) market, still hold a place of interest in our minds.

I figured I would post a couple of mine and then ask everyone to post what their favorite odd or wierd firearm is.

First on my list has to be the H&K P7 series of pistols:

Whatever your opinion of them, you have to admit that they are unique! The first time I ever saw one was on the hip of a NJ state trooper. I was just beginning to get into guns and had no idea what in the heck the wierd pistols they carried were. Riding in the holster, the P7M8 looked like about half the gun, as if the trooper was only carrying the frame and had to pull the slide from somewhere else and assemble it before shooting.

Second on my list of wierd guns would have to be the 1912 Steyr pistol:

It is one of the few semi-auto pistols to have been designed to be fed via a stripper clip:

Third would have to go to the H&K SP-89 pistol:

Yes, it looks like an MP5, but for a (very) brief time it was actually marketed by H&K as a "large frame" 9mm semi-auto pistol. I still remember the H&K catalog that showed a gloved hand holding the SP-89 as if on a target range.

The antis had a hissy-fit about the SP-89 and soon put an end to its run in the gunshops, but a few did manage to get sold into civilian hands.

So what are your favorite wierd and obscure weapons???? Post pics if you can!

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:23:16 AM EDT

[#1]

I want a liberator

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:25:10 AM EDT

[#2]

American 180

www.american180.com

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:25:35 AM EDT

[#3]

Another gun I always found intriguing is the USAS-12 shotgun. I saw a brief glimpse of a TV show in NJ where one of the charachters was using a drum-fed shotgun that looked M-16ish, and desperately wanted one from then on.

Unfortunately, one cannot own a USAS-12 without getting special permits from the ATF. Still, it would be a fun toy....

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:26:55 AM EDT

[#4]

The gyrojet pistol.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:28:07 AM EDT

[#5]

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:28:20 AM EDT

[#6]

British Welrod or S&W M59 'Hush Puppy'.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:29:01 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/weapons_fireams/zeliska600nitrorevolverace.jpg

Definately a revolver I would like to handle if I could ever find one.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:33:48 AM EDT

[#8]

I've always liked the P7/M8.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:37:18 AM EDT

[#9]

The Martini-Henry single-shot rifle from the mid-late 19th century.

The Webley-Fosbury. A British semi-automatic revolver.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:37:27 AM EDT

[#10]

I have several.
Here's just one:
http://www.9mmlargo.com/1910/

The Bergmann Bayard.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:38:19 AM EDT

[#11]

Revolver Carbines:

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:38:53 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
www.kimdutoit.com/images/Martini-Henry_Rifle.jpg
The Martini-Henry single-shot rifle from the mid-late 19th century.

That is one of the most awesome rifles ever. I'd love to own one. Then I could sit in the dark and fondle it, and think of Zulu's and Fuzzy Wuzzies.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:43:10 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
That is one of the most awesome rifles ever. I'd love to own one. Then I could sit in the dark and fondle it, and think of Zulu's and Fuzzy Wuzzies.

I almost bought one a few years back. Now I wish I had. I can't afford one now. (Yes, I know that means I'd have even less money now, but who needs logic?)

I saw one fired on Tales of the Gun, and I instantly fell in love. I'd want to get one that's been re-chambered in .303 so I could actually shoot it.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:47:38 AM EDT

[#14]

The G11.

The worlds only successful caseless cartridge assault rifle ever designed.
It worked phenomenally well, but the program was dropped because it was expensive and the German Army saw "no need for modernization".
Damn shame.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:51:24 AM EDT

[#15]

Did someone say.. Obscure!?

I give you the I.O.G. SMG, aka the LOG !

This thing makes a Chauchat look like a Ferrari.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:52:58 AM EDT

[#16]

Mateba gas operated revolver

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:54:54 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Revolver Carbines:

www.uberti.com/firearms/images/prod_sa-revolver-carbine.jpg

Bet those didn't get fired very much, else someone had a "smokin" palm.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:55:30 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Mateba gas operated revolver

I have been wanting to buy one of those for YEARS !!

But despite the coolness of a semi-automatic revolver, I can never quite justify it, since I know it would just sit in the safe.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:56:30 AM EDT

[#19]

Beretta AR70
Wish I had the foresight to get one before the 1989 ban

Ditto for the Sig 550

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:57:36 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Mateba gas operated revolver

I have been wanting to buy one of those for YEARS !!

But despite the coolness of a semi-automatic revolver, I can never quite justify it, since I know it would just sit in the safe.

Me too

One of the bad guys on "Alias" was brandishing a Mateba as they were about to execute Sydney and her father. (not that that narrows it down...)

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:58:14 AM EDT

[#21]

A Glock

A polymer handgun, the Glock was one of the first "tactical" handguns to enjoy wide popularity with American shooters.

The Glock was given minor updates as time went on in a vain attempt to compensate for it's hideous design - Something only a mother could love. But nonetheless, people still bought them.

Given it's tendency to explode, collecters are discouraged from firing these particular firearm relics.

Posted: 8/19/2005 10:59:00 AM EDT

[#22]

The Lewis Light Machinegun.. Invented by an American, produced by the Belgians, and used primarily by the British.. The Germans in WW1 liked it too, and used captured examples extensively. They aint light though

They were the most portable effective MG in service 'til the BAR showed up.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:05:06 AM EDT

[#23]

always liked the Daewoo Max2

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:06:19 AM EDT

[#24]

Webley-Fosbury Automatic Revolver. Clever design. Ultimately useless because it came out about the same time automatics were being adopted.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:06:22 AM EDT

[#25]

because of my age, ALL class 3, and most of the worlds semi "assault weapons" are obscure. they were all banned before i had a chance to buy any of them, and the 20 yr-old used ones cost more than i'll ever be able to afford.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:10:02 AM EDT

[#26]

Chinese Broomhandle Mauser pistol as used by warlords back in the early 30's - 40's

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:12:37 AM EDT

[#27]

I want a Glock Fo'Tee

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:16:39 AM EDT

[#28]

Marlin model 62 Levermatic in caliber 30 carbine or 256 mag. It's a short throw lever, well made & quite accurate.

Marlin made the model 56 .22lr "clip" fed, model 57 .22 tube fed and the model 57M .22mag tube fed.

I have a model 56 & I have been looking for a model 62. I'll have one when I find a cure for this dreaded Black Rifle Disease

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:17:05 AM EDT

[#29]

I have an old Ithica 12 Gauge shotgun.

What's strange about it ,is it's a single shot with
a drop open breach ,and a lever !

Not that top breech lever ,but a full underside lever,
like the kind you see on an old Winchester rifle.

The ejection is so forceful ,you could take out the front teeth
of someone standing behind you with a fast lever action
shell ejection !

The first time I ever shot it ,the ejecting case caught my hat
and trew it up over my head.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:21:02 AM EDT

[#30]

I always wanted a Bergmann auto pistol. And an Automag.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:21:29 AM EDT

[#31]

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:26:23 AM EDT

[#32]

~~tag, now on to serach for that German scoped assault rifle~~

Nazi German FG-42 (Fallschirmjägergewehr 42)

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:26:35 AM EDT

[#33]

LeMat revolver

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:31:56 AM EDT

[#34]

High Standard Model 10A .12guage

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:34:37 AM EDT

[#35]

My Favorites that I own are:

Steyr AUG
HK P9S
HK P7
HK 270 .22
HK 770 ( IMO still one of the best semi auto hunting rifles ever built)
Walther P5 (ejects brass to the left)

Favorites that I would like to own:

Beretta 1201MP3 box fed pump/semi auto
USAS 12
FN CAL (before the FNC)
Luger Carbine
Broomhandle Carbine
FAMAS
FN P90
FN 2000
HK VP70
Auto MAG

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:38:51 AM EDT

[#36]

The 4.5 mm SPP-1 Underwater Pistol is made in Russia for use underwater by frogmen. It was developed in the late 1960's. Underwater, ordinary-shaped bullets are inaccurate and very short-range. As a result, this pistol fires a steel bolt about 4 inches long. It has four barrels, each containing one cartridge. Its ammunition comes as a clip of four cartridges which is inserted into the pistol's breech. It is longer range and has more penetrating power than spearguns. Its barrel is not rifled; the fired projectile is kept in line by hydrodynamic effects. As a result, it is somewhat inaccurate when fired out of water.

Teh Best for Aquabumping!!

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:41:06 AM EDT

[#37]

It's impractical as all Hell, but I've always liked the COP .357.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:44:13 AM EDT

[#38]

+1 on the G11

I've also fancied the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:46:52 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
It's impractical as all Hell, but I've always liked the COP .357.

I came VERY close to buying one of those in the '80s... it came in a box that looked for all the world like the boxes Norelco razors came in at the time.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:50:54 AM EDT

[#40]

Not really obscure, but I wouldn't mind getting a derringer.

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:52:15 AM EDT

[#41]

Thunder 5

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:52:43 AM EDT

[#42]

If I could have only one rifle, ever and If I had the ability to buy an unlimited supply of ammo..that would be the rifle.

picture is gone now, but it was a AsVAL similar to the VSS

Posted: 8/19/2005 11:58:43 AM EDT

[#43]

Johnson Model 1941 Rifle

world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl20-e.htm

Caliber: .30-06 (7.62x63mm)
Action: short recoil operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 1156 mm
Barrel length: 558 mm
Weight: 4.3 kg empty
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds

Melvin C. Johnson, an American arms designer, developed his semiautomatic rifle by the mid-1938, and submitted it to the US Army trials. Trials and development of the rifle continued until the early 1940, when the Army Ordnance Board finally rejected the Johnson rifle as being too long and heavy, and potentially unreliable with the bayonet attached. Same year Johnson submitted his rifle for trials to the US Marine Corps, where it was tested against M1 Garand rifle. First tests results were good for Johnson, but later on the M1 Garand rifle was found superior to it. In 1941 Johnson named his rifle as "Model 1941", and the same year the Dutch Government ordered 70 000 rifles from Johnson for its West India colonies, fearing invasion from Japan. For this order Johnson created the Johnson Automatics Mfg plant. At about the same time USMC parachutists forces became interested in Johnson rifle, as it was easy to take down for compact carry during parachute drop, and then easy and quick to reassembly. As the Dutch colonies were already occupied by Japan, USMC procured many of M1941 rifles, made to Dutch order. Compared to M1 Garand, M1941 Johnson rifle had some good and some bad features. Good features were good accuracy, lesser recoil, and bigger magazine capacity with capability for reloading partially full magazine with loose cartridges. Bad features were a number of smaller parts which were easily lost during field stripping, and less available spare parts. Overall, about 30 000 of M1941 rifles were produced during the WW2. After the war, USMC returned all remaining rifles to the Netherlands Purchasing Commission.

Johnson M1941 is a short recoil operated, semiautomatic rifle. Barrel is locked by the rotating bolt with eight locking lugs, engaging into the barrel extension. On recoil stroke, bolt head is rotated to disengage from the barrel, and then barrel is stopped and returned into forward position with its own spring; bolt continues its way back to extract and eject the spent cartridge case and then to chamber fresh cartridge on its way forward. Return spring is located in the buttstock. The rifle is fed from fixed rotary magazine, which holds 10 cartridges. Cartridges can be loaded into the magazine via the loading port in the magazine at the right side of the gun, using the standard M1903-type stripper clips (2 clips with 5 rounds each) or loose rounds. Magazine can be refilled at any time either with the bolt open or closed. Magazine loading port is closed by the spring-loaded dust cover. It must be noted that pre-war Johnson rifles were available either with rotary or box magazines, but box magazine versions apparently are very scarce, as very few of these were produced. Rifle is fitted with two-piece wooden stock, steel handguards were integral to the receiver. Military rifles were equipped with proprietary detachable lightweight spike-shaped bayonets, as the standard knife bayonets were too heavy and affected the reliability of a recoil-operated mechanism. These bayonets had no separate "handle" and were hardly useful and provided only to fulfill military requirements.

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:02:17 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Rifles/DSC01353.jpg

i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Shotguns/DSC01584.jpg

i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Handguns/PPIPocketPal3.jpg i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Handguns/PPIPocketPal4.jpg

And just what are those? (way to choose some obscure firearms, although I do believe the middle one is a bullpup conversion of a Mossberg pumpgun).

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:02:45 PM EDT

[#45]

LaFrance .45acp AR style carbine.

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:04:34 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
And just what are those? (way to choose some obscure firearms, although I do believe the middle one is a bullpup conversion of a Mossberg pumpgun). <<< Correct! >>>

Just 3 oddballs from my collection:

Bushmaster "Assault Rifle"

Bullpup Mossberg 12 Gauge

FMJ "Pocket Pal" (one of the oddest pistols I've ever come across...)

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:06:15 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
www.thadscott.com/16090a.jpg

Chinese Broomhandle Mauser pistol as used by warlords back in the early 30's - 40's

That is mine. I just bought a Nepalese 7.63mm C-96, now I want a Bolo 9mm and a Shansei .45ACP.

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:07:23 PM EDT

[#48]

Favorite "oddball" gun is the Canadian Ross rifle, preferably a MkIII. Wonderful guns, just not suited for trench warfare.

Favorite obscure gun is the Sig AMT. I had one and had to part with it many years ago, I've been kicking my ass over it ever since. Superb firearm, all the way around.

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:07:30 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
www.nps.gov/anti/images/handgun2.jpg

LeMat revolver

Cabela's was selling repros for $500 a few years ago. I should have bought one.

Posted: 8/19/2005 12:14:49 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Johnson Model 1941 Rifle
Johnson Model 1941 Rifle
world.guns.ru/rifle/johnson1941.jpg

world.guns.ru/rifle/johnson1941r.jpg world.guns.ru/rifle/johnson1941mag_p.jpg

Caliber: .30-06 (7.62x63mm)
Action: short recoil operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 1156 mm
Barrel length: 558 mm
Weight: 4.3 kg empty
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds

Melvin C. Johnson, an American arms designer, developed his semiautomatic rifle by the mid-1938, and submitted it to the US Army trials. Trials and development of the rifle continued until the early 1940, when the Army Ordnance Board finally rejected the Johnson rifle as being too long and heavy, and potentially unreliable with the bayonet attached. Same year Johnson submitted his rifle for trials to the US Marine Corps, where it was tested against M1 Garand rifle. First tests results were good for Johnson, but later on the M1 Garand rifle was found superior to it. In 1941 Johnson named his rifle as "Model 1941", and the same year the Dutch Government ordered 70 000 rifles from Johnson for its West India colonies, fearing invasion from Japan. For this order Johnson created the Johnson Automatics Mfg plant. At about the same time USMC parachutists forces became interested in Johnson rifle, as it was easy to take down for compact carry during parachute drop, and then easy and quick to reassembly. As the Dutch colonies were already occupied by Japan, USMC procured many of M1941 rifles, made to Dutch order. Compared to M1 Garand, M1941 Johnson rifle had some good and some bad features. Good features were good accuracy, lesser recoil, and bigger magazine capacity with capability for reloading partially full magazine with loose cartridges. Bad features were a number of smaller parts which were easily lost during field stripping, and less available spare parts. Overall, about 30 000 of M1941 rifles were produced during the WW2. After the war, USMC returned all remaining rifles to the Netherlands Purchasing Commission.

Johnson M1941 is a short recoil operated, semiautomatic rifle. Barrel is locked by the rotating bolt with eight locking lugs, engaging into the barrel extension. On recoil stroke, bolt head is rotated to disengage from the barrel, and then barrel is stopped and returned into forward position with its own spring; bolt continues its way back to extract and eject the spent cartridge case and then to chamber fresh cartridge on its way forward. Return spring is located in the buttstock. The rifle is fed from fixed rotary magazine, which holds 10 cartridges. Cartridges can be loaded into the magazine via the loading port in the magazine at the right side of the gun, using the standard M1903-type stripper clips (2 clips with 5 rounds each) or loose rounds. Magazine can be refilled at any time either with the bolt open or closed. Magazine loading port is closed by the spring-loaded dust cover. It must be noted that pre-war Johnson rifles were available either with rotary or box magazines, but box magazine versions apparently are very scarce, as very few of these were produced. Rifle is fitted with two-piece wooden stock, steel handguards were integral to the receiver. Military rifles were equipped with proprietary detachable lightweight spike-shaped bayonets, as the standard knife bayonets were too heavy and affected the reliability of a recoil-operated mechanism. These bayonets had no separate "handle" and were hardly useful and provided only to fulfill military requirements.

www.angelfire.com/nh/milarm/images/json1.jpg

I just bought one for $2000.

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