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Posted: 5/24/2005 11:59:27 AM EDT
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Just look for Win. Ranger's..+p+............good stuff for 9mm. later, W.B.
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Posted: 5/24/2005 11:59:58 AM EDT
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Federal HydraShok 124gr+p+
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Posted: 5/24/2005 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Speer Gold Dot
124gr +P+ 
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Posted: 5/24/2005 12:06:09 PM EDT
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Honest question: Considering how the best-performing 9mm loads in any and all decent ammo tests are the mid-to heavy-weight bullets, at NON+P+ velocities, why is there a thread somewhere every week on arfcom asking about +P+ ammo? 
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Posted: 5/24/2005 12:28:15 PM EDT
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Hirtenberg L7A1
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Posted: 5/24/2005 12:31:45 PM EDT
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+1 Why is there such an irrational desire for +P+ ?? Make you feel more manly or something? |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 12:32:10 PM EDT
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[sarcasm]Because speed kills[/sarcasm] The sad fact is less than 10% of the people on this board have a clue about ammunition performance. 
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Posted: 5/24/2005 1:07:42 PM EDT
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After 2,000 rounds of winchester white box 115 grain fmj's I've never had a ftf or fte. That's all I keep in my gun. If it's been that reliable for practice, why take a chance and switch to something else. I think hitting someone with this bullet will stop them just as quick as any other 9mm out there.
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Posted: 5/24/2005 1:09:03 PM EDT
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no such thing as a 147 +p+, only in 124's and lower
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Posted: 5/24/2005 1:09:40 PM EDT
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link? |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 1:10:48 PM EDT
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You want a link to ammo tests, or a link to the weekly 'dumb thread about carry ammo' thread? |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 1:21:21 PM EDT
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Fine.
Here's a link specifically discussing Speer Gold Dots. Notice that the +P, NOT the +P+ is recommended in barrel lengths less than 4". Doctor Gary Roberts in particular recommends the following loadings for 9mm: Barnes 105 gr JHP Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1) Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP Winchester Ranger Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P) Winchester Ranger Talon 127 gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA) Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5) Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP Winchester Ranger Talon 147 gr JHP (RA9T) OK - there *is* one +P+ loading in there, but why bother? |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 2:29:29 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of Remington 115 gr JHP +P+ for my Glocks and CZs. Probably would not do it again.
Not bad though: 4.25 in barrel 1221 fps bare gelatin: 10.8 in penetration/.63 in expansion clothed gelatin 10.9 in penetration /.62 in expansion |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 2:33:27 PM EDT
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No, but it puts a hell of a fireball out of my P226!!! Holy Shit!!! 
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Posted: 5/24/2005 2:36:07 PM EDT
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I used to carry those until I heard about them not expanding due to the cavity filling with the clothing of the target. Gold dots now for me. |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 2:37:47 PM EDT
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Try the PMC Starfire loading in 9mm. It is a 124 Grain bullet loaded at the top of the SAAMI specs, without being designated +P+. Out of a Glock 17 it runs about 1250( +/- ) FPS, that's pretty quick. Also pretty accurate too.
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Posted: 5/24/2005 5:45:24 PM EDT
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why do people think "wanting to push a 9mm to a higher level" is irrational? make me feel more manly? you must be a .45 guy 
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Posted: 5/24/2005 5:49:03 PM EDT
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It'sd not a matter of more velocity automatically being a bad thing. It's just that there are loads that perform better than most +P+ loads, but with less recoil/flash. It would be prudent to use those loads. |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 5:52:19 PM EDT
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I'm not sure why one choses to buy a 9*19 handgun, then only feeds it +P+. If you wanted a more powerful pistol, why didn't you just buy one...
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Posted: 5/24/2005 5:53:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2005 5:59:09 PM EDT
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This thread degenerated quickly.
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Posted: 5/24/2005 6:02:40 PM EDT
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get your self a .38spcl and load 158gr +P LSWCHP
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Posted: 5/24/2005 6:48:37 PM EDT
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i did. i carry a .357sig but i was curious about the 9mm +P and +P+ loads. |
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Posted: 5/24/2005 8:11:01 PM EDT
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In my 2 9mm handguns, I carry the defensive load thats most accurate.
In my P-228, the load that works best is the 127gr. +P+ Winchester Ranger SXT T-series. The new 124gr.+P with the same bullet works well, but I'm gonna shoot up the last of my 127grainers. In my P-225, the 147gr. Rangers SXT Teries work best. In DocGKRs revised list, all three of these loads are considered good for 9mm usage. I am of the belief that bonded flavored defensive cartridges are best all around. |
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Posted: 5/25/2005 1:53:46 PM EDT
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I really do not notice any difference between Winchester white box and +P+ Remington out of my G17. |
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