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Posted: 6/12/2001 8:35:44 AM EDT
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You Blasphemer, Larry!! Now all of the "Flat Earth, deer in the headlights" Gaston Glock Cultists will be wanting to stone you to death for posting that! They'll all have to run over to the Glock board and have their ruffled feathers groomed. [):)] I see a 24 lb "safe action" trigger coming soon. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 8:37:17 AM EDT
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"Lorec said he saw Berkin pull the trigger, and the gun fired, because 'there must have been a bullet in the chamber." Yep........a trained professional. Didn't this *sshole ever hear of "clearing your f*cking weapon?"
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Posted: 6/12/2001 8:41:16 AM EDT
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Field stripping a Glock requires the firing pin be in the uncocked position so the slide can then be retracted 1/10 of an inch and released. Obviously this knucklehead violated at least two of the cardinal rules of gunhandling. It doesn't matter what kind of firearm you are cleaning, if you don't follow safe handling rules you will get BITTEN! We had a moron here in Phoenix shoot and kill his kid while cleaning a revolver! He's either lying or a total idiot, either way he should never be trusted with anything more dangerous than a fork.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 8:41:43 AM EDT
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What's dangerous about pulling the trigger to remove the slide? The @!#%% guy should have triple checked the chamber before stripping the gun.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 8:51:51 AM EDT
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We had an incident about couple of years ago where a police officer did the same thing. He just shot out the cleaning rod and put a hole into the range table. That's was a fast cleaning job.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:03:08 AM EDT
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Okay, let's blame the Glock! That evil plastic handgun that can be snuck through metal detectors!
Come on guys, get real. I don't care what gun you own. Always check to see if the chamber is clear---several times! And always point the thing in a safe direction even after you have checked to see if the chamber is clear 500 times! Personally, I think the Glock has just brought it to everyones attention as to how careless alot of people get, including a FBI agent. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:18:01 AM EDT
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Sweep, I did note that the agent should have practiced safe procedures and HE ALONE is to blame. It just seems that the requirement to pull the trigger is not idiotproof and this is more likely to happen with a Glock.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:34:11 AM EDT
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No gun is idiot proof. If it was it would be a water pistol.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:42:04 AM EDT
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There is only ONE safety that is effective 100% of the time.
That safety is located between one's ears. If that safety is not "switched on" - then NO mechanical safety is worth a dang! If it IS "switched on" - then lack of a mechanical safety presents no harm. cheers tire iron |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 9:48:02 AM EDT
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As motoguzzi said, the gun must be decocked before it can be broken down, hence pulling the trigger. Have any of you ever pulled the trigger of a firearm with it pointed at your body? If so, consider yourself fortunate that the fist of Darwin didn't come crashing down on you. Besides, even if he didn't have to pull the trigger to break it down, he still would have been attempting to field strip a loaded gun. Not good.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 10:31:28 AM EDT
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Just goes to show the talent that they're recruiting for the FBI nowadays. Maybe this dumbshit should have read the manual on his pistol before he even loaded it. Better yet, maybe he should have read the basic rules of firearm safety. Watch out. Here come all the Glock-haters.
-Gloftoe |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 11:01:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Field stripping a Glock requires the firing pin be in the uncocked position so the slide can then be retracted 1/10 of an inch and released. glocks don't "cock"! that's what's supposed to make them so "safe". as far as i'm concerned, there is only ONE pistol, the HK USP! exposed hammers for all! [pistol] |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 11:27:12 AM EDT
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It's nice to know that we have guys like this on the front lines fighting crimes!
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Posted: 6/12/2001 11:52:24 AM EDT
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Just goes to show how smart you have to be to be a Fed these days!! This clown will probably be helping with gun confiscation someday. Mental note: when you hand'em over, make sure they are loaded and you're out of the way.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 12:01:42 PM EDT
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Yes, when you disassemble a glock, you have to pull the trigger. Somehow, though, I also remember checking the chamber is also a pretty important step.
Maybe he was trying to clear the chamber via the EXPRESS method. To bad he pointed the pistol at himself when he did it. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 3:25:23 PM EDT
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HAHA, I told my wife about this she laughed, Duh, check it first, is it empty? When I was in the Academy we had a recruit shoot himself with a Glock. He was from London and was lost on guns. Makes you wonder about the real safety on a gun......the person holding it.
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Posted: 6/12/2001 3:30:43 PM EDT
[#17]
Ahhhh! I feel so safe with the FBI on guard!
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Posted: 6/12/2001 5:47:34 PM EDT
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I can almost see what he did in my mind.
Well I need to clean this thing. Better clear the weapon. So he racks the slide and ejects a round. [i]THEN[/i] he drops the magazine. Pulls the trigger to disengage the firing pin [B]BLAM!!![/B] One dumb ass FBI agent the got what he deserved!! Remember, drop the mag FIRST, then clear the chamber!! Doesn't matter if it is Glock, Colt, HK, etc. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 6:00:10 PM EDT
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hahahahahahahahahaha (gasp, gasp, gasp) hahahahahahahaha
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Posted: 6/12/2001 6:06:21 PM EDT
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Most FBI agents probably never draw their weapons and have law degrees and liberal educations. I'd say there are damn few that know how to shoot really well. But whatever. I'm taking my ceramic glock with it's plastic bullets down to the airport to see if the scanners will pick it up. Anyone want to tag along?
Never liked hammerless pistols... |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 6:09:31 PM EDT
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HeeHeeHeeHeeeeee....Another friggin' expert. He was probably pullin' his cock when "It just went off !)
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Posted: 6/12/2001 6:22:49 PM EDT
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my ruger mk2 requires that the trigger be pulled multiple times while removing the bolt. This guy just shouldn't have been touching a gun. He was obviously stupid. I bet he still had a full mag in the gun too
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Posted: 6/12/2001 10:21:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LARRY G: The part that bothered me was this: Special Agent Christopher Lorek, who was seated at a picnic table with Berkin when he shot himself May 25, told police that it's necessary to pull the trigger on the pistol to release its slide mechanism You have to pull the trigger to release the slide?????? What the heck is that? With my Sigs you have to lock the slide back in order to release the slide. With my Rugers you have to open the slide and push down the ejector and then pull the pin out. No way on either that the above would happen. I know a lot of you like Glocks and this agent should have practiced normal safety precaution, but this seems a little dangerous. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 10:38:27 PM EDT
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I reckon to those with little training on this weapon, anything is possible. I personally do not like the 'safety' thing, as you just have the trigger. All my life I have used the Browning High Power (L9A1 military model) which is really 'shit' for a duty gun. The L9A1 is great for military use. The RAAF use the Glock, known as the JAP (9mm Jet Aircrew Pistol), and I have shot it, but sure would take time to get used to the trigger set up. I used to privatly own a 92F which for a duty gun was good. I liked the double action thing. Excellent ! I am not slamming the Glock, in well trained hands it would be okay, but here in Australia there has been cases of the police (NSWPS use Glock in .40)) and RAAF having UDs and people getting shot.(and not the baddies either)quote]Originally Posted By LARRY G: Read this article [url]http://www.jsonline.com/news/wauk/jun01/agent12061101a.asp[/url] The part that bothered me was this: Special Agent Christopher Lorek, who was seated at a picnic table with Berkin when he shot himself May 25, told police that it's necessary to pull the trigger on the pistol to release its slide mechanism You have to pull the trigger to release the slide?????? What the heck is that? With my Sigs you have to lock the slide back in order to release the slide. With my Rugers you have to open the slide and push down the ejector and then pull the pin out. No way on either that the above would happen. I know a lot of you like Glocks and this agent should have practiced normal safety precaution, but this seems a little dangerous. |
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Posted: 6/12/2001 11:43:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: ...but here in Australia there has been cases of the police (NSWPS use Glock in .40)) and RAAF having UDs and people getting shot.(and not the baddies either) I assume a UD is an "Unintentional Discharge" Only one thing will make that pistol fire, and that's a trigger pull. I've had my G19 for a couple of years now, wear it damn near EVERY day, have to holster and un-holster it at least twice a day, go shooting with it at least once a week, have put 1000+ rounds through it, and I have never had an accidental discharge. EVER. Amazing what one can accomplish when he obeys the basic rules of firearm safety. [:)] -Gloftoe (keeps his damn finger off the damn trigger) |
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Posted: 6/13/2001 2:52:15 AM EDT
[#26]
Hey Larry,do you honestly think you have to pull the trigger to break down a Glock.Only a moron would see a Glock as being dangerous,you are one scary dude.
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Posted: 6/13/2001 3:00:11 AM EDT
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Yes you do have to pull the trigger to break a Glock down.
Step 1 - Clear the Gun. Step 2 - Repeat Step 1 Step 3 - Pull Trigger (If at the range I do it pointed down range, or a the clearing barrel) Step 4 - Pull the takedown lever down will holding the slide SLIGHTLY out of battery. If you pull to far back go back to step 1, it is again at "half-cock". Step 5 - Holding takedown lever down move the slide foward, until off the lower. Step 6 - Remove spring/guide rod Step 7 - Remove barrel to re-assmeble start at step 7 work back to step 5 Yes Glock is different, 34 total parts, trigger pull can be adjusted by simply changing a $2.00 spring. Some parts even interchange between different caliber guns. Oh, for all you "safety lever" guys, how many safeties on a revolver? Berretta makes the gun tha is supposed to dis-assemble so easy that someone standing on the business end can steal your slide...Glock won't do that. |
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