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6/12/2025 9:51:15 AM EDT

So I have dreamed of purchasing a new P320 Legion and was still going to up until about 2 weeks ago.  While I'm not trying to stir any more Sig P320 discussion, I just can't buy one after how Sig has handled the whole P320 debacle.

Now I'm evaluating other options.  I'm currently shooting a G17/5 with RMR at the range and daily carry a G19/5.  While I really LIKE and TRUST my Glocks, I want something....different....better.  I'm seriously considering a Walther PDP Pro-X full size.  This is the full size frame with comp and comes with 3 20 round mags for $950ish.

New pistol requirements:

 1. Under $1200
 2. Full-size gun (4.5" or greater barrel length)
 3. Optics ready
 4. Rail for light
 5. Affordable mags
 6. Striker fired

Guns I'm considering....Walther PDP Pro-X, S&W M&P 2.0 Metal, Canik TTI.  What else should I be looking at GD?
6/12/2025 9:52:12 AM EDT
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Shadow 2 optic ready
6/12/2025 9:53:20 AM EDT
[#2]
Why limit yourself to striker fired guns?
6/12/2025 9:54:35 AM EDT
[#3]
I would say a gen5 G34 mos but aside from Glocks a used Platypus? Used Glock mags you have already as a bonus.

6/12/2025 9:57:15 AM EDT
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Both wrong because the OP said striker fired while actually being very correct about what the OP should do.

You will not find a better pistol at that price point.
6/12/2025 9:58:15 AM EDT
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Have never shot one, but where would a VP9 Match fall in the hierarchy?  Liked the VP9SK I shot quite a lot.
6/12/2025 9:58:16 AM EDT
[#6]
Walther PDP Pro X.

I carry one. It’s awesome.
6/12/2025 9:58:43 AM EDT
[#7]
I love my Glock 34, it's a great pistol. But if I were to switch today, right now. It would be one of the S&W M&P metal. The higher end models are simply good looking, feel great and shoot amazing. I've gotten to shoot one of the higher end ones a lot and I like it.
6/12/2025 10:02:14 AM EDT
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Mainly because a good SA/DA gun optics ready pushes the price above my $1200 budget.  I also don't want to re-train to deal with the safety and/or a heavy DA first shot.  I have considered a CZ Shadow 2 OR but I'm not going there yet.  I own a CZ P-01 that I used to carry and I shoot it quite well.
6/12/2025 10:05:22 AM EDT
[#9]
I am really loving this one.  HK VP9F A1



6/12/2025 10:06:54 AM EDT
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Mainly because a good SA/DA gun optics ready pushes the price above my $1200 budget.  I also don't want to re-train to deal with the safety and/or a heavy DA first shot.  I have considered a CZ Shadow 2 OR but I'm not going there yet.  I own a CZ P-01 that I used to carry and I shoot it quite well.
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You have a CZ that you shoot well and are familiar with?  Definitely go Shadow 2 now, no question.
6/12/2025 10:07:09 AM EDT
[#11]
G47 COA. Duh.
6/12/2025 10:07:16 AM EDT
[#12]
M&P 2.0
6/12/2025 10:07:24 AM EDT
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Both wrong because the OP said striker fired while actually being very correct about what the OP should do.

You will not find a better pistol at that price point.
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Shadow 2 optic ready


Both wrong because the OP said striker fired while actually being very correct about what the OP should do.

You will not find a better pistol at that price point.


That.
6/12/2025 10:08:18 AM EDT
[#14]
"Better" in what way?
6/12/2025 10:08:32 AM EDT
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Walther PDP Pro X.

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This is my next full size pistol.


I do really like the S&W once you put in an Apex trigger.
6/12/2025 10:08:41 AM EDT
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Mainly because a good SA/DA gun optics ready pushes the price above my $1200 budget.  I also don't want to re-train to deal with the safety and/or a heavy DA first shot.  I have considered a CZ Shadow 2 OR but I'm not going there yet.  I own a CZ P-01 that I used to carry and I shoot it quite well.
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Then why would you have to “retrain”, particularly for just a range gun?

Also… what’s a “range gun”? Like how does that get used, exactly?
6/12/2025 10:10:28 AM EDT
[#17]
PDP Pro-X is awesome.

However the Canik Steel frame is currently only $700 which is a steal for steel, and also shoots really well.

https://gun.deals/product/canik-sfx-rival-s-9mm-ss-70181-add-cart-price



That said, if you can move off striker, the Turk 2011's (Tisas / Mac) are a huge bang for the buck and probably the most fun range pistol due to better triggers and milder recoil of a hammer gun.
6/12/2025 10:12:41 AM EDT
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Have never shot one, but where would a VP9 Match fall in the hierarchy?  Liked the VP9SK I shot quite a lot.
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I have not looked hard at the VP9 but I know it would be a fine pistol...I am just not familiar with it.
6/12/2025 10:16:27 AM EDT
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Both wrong because the OP said striker fired while actually being very correct about what the OP should do.

You will not find a better pistol at that price point.
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P10 C or F , they're great and cheap
6/12/2025 10:18:37 AM EDT
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Good question.  Different (better?) grip angle, more features (mag well, optics mounting, factory installed comp.), better trigger.  The Walther PDP Pro models have a fantastic trigger.  I really do like my Glocks and trust them completely.  I just want to get into something different and really try to improve my shooting skills.
6/12/2025 10:19:34 AM EDT
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G47 COA. Duh.
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I was just going to post that.

I have a G45 COA with a GPT trigger.
It's a great pistol and I only have $1000 in the whole
project, including the light and Vedder holster.

To me the only thing better would be some kind of high quality 2011
but then I'd have around $2500 or more spent.
6/12/2025 10:20:02 AM EDT
[#22]
Everything is really good today

pure shooting
Springfield Prodigy
CZ Shadow 2

Poly Striker fired/glock replacement
SW 2.0 Carry comp/ performance center competitor.
Springfield Echelon.
Walther PDP
Canik Rival
HK VP9
FN stuff


6/12/2025 10:21:45 AM EDT
[#23]
My Shadows are my favorite range guns, but the Canik's are also pretty nice sfx's and rivals are usually lasers out of the box and shit all over my gucci glocks
6/12/2025 10:26:39 AM EDT
[#24]
Glock 47, FCD plate, Trijicon or Aimpoint Acro, Glock Performance Trigger v2, minus connector (OEM or the OP NP3 one), 5lb Wolf striker spring (won’t reduce trigger pull, but reduces the post break inertia. Not mandatory, but nice.)

The 4.5 Wolf is nice in the non GPT pistols, it was set off mil spec LC 9mm, you’ll want to change them out yearly or more often, depending on how much you shoot.

OEM is 5.5-5.3lbs.

Use Aeroshell on the GOT lube points, lasts longer, lessens the likelyhood if getting that weird first pull after the pistol has been sitting.
6/12/2025 10:29:31 AM EDT
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Then why would you have to “retrain”, particularly for just a range gun?

Also… what’s a “range gun”? Like how does that get used, exactly?
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probably the same way his CCW/HD guns are used, going to the range and shooting basketball sized groups as fast as possible.
6/12/2025 10:29:53 AM EDT
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Walther PDP Pro X.

I carry one. It’s awesome.
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I've heard nothing but good things.
6/12/2025 10:32:23 AM EDT
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I've heard nothing but good things.
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If people could shy away from Glocks for five minutes, they would realize that everything today is really good.
6/12/2025 10:33:22 AM EDT
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Walther PDP Pro X.

I carry one. It's awesome.
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I have a Walter PDP Pro SD.

Walter would get my vote too.


But there are so many good choices these days it is hard to pick just one. That's what makes it even more ridiculous that people put up with SIG.
6/12/2025 10:35:48 AM EDT
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FPNI


If you were considering the 320 legion with a tungsten frame, then definitely go with a shadow 2 OR.

The shadow is a heavy 9mm and shoots nice. Has an excellent single action trigger too, light years ahead of a striker (not exaggerating).

6/12/2025 10:37:58 AM EDT
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2011 is what you seek.

MAC 9DS Comp 4.25". Pistol was under $1100, and can probably be found cheaper than the extortion I had to pay for living in CO.

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6/12/2025 10:38:10 AM EDT
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Then why would you have to “retrain”, particularly for just a range gun?

Also… what’s a “range gun”? Like how does that get used, exactly?
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Maybe "retrain" isn't really a big deal.  But the gun types are different and I want to stay with a striker fired gun for now.  Eventually I will invest in a 2011 but not yet.  A "range gun" in my mind is one that is used almost solely for target and competition shooting and is not really intended for daily concealed carry.  Could definitely but be used in a home defense/night stand gun role.
6/12/2025 10:42:09 AM EDT
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2011 is what you seek.

MAC 9DS Comp 4.25". Pistol was under $1100, and can probably be found cheaper than the extortion I had to pay for living in CO.

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Nice!  That is were I'll end up eventually.
6/12/2025 10:42:20 AM EDT
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. . . I do really like the S&W once you put in an Apex trigger.
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This here.

I have a ver 1.0 M&P with Apex parts, and it is the closest I've been able to get to a 1911 crisp trigger in a striker-fired platform.
6/12/2025 10:45:42 AM EDT
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Nice!  That is were I'll end up eventually.
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Depending on whether or not you want an optic, and what footprint you want, you can look at the Tisas, same company as MAC, for $469 for a double stack. Why bother with another striker fire, when you can have a far superior trigger.
6/12/2025 10:47:39 AM EDT
[#35]
G49, (17 slide and barrel, 19 grip)
6/12/2025 10:49:15 AM EDT
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Walther PDP Pro-X, S&W M&P 2.0 Metal, Canik TTI.  What else should I be looking at GD?
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This.
6/12/2025 10:51:31 AM EDT
[#37]
VP9A1 F. Just got mine and I love it.
6/12/2025 10:55:55 AM EDT
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So I have dreamed of purchasing a new P320 Legion and was still going to up until about 2 weeks ago.  While I'm not trying to stir any more Sig P320 discussion, I just can't buy one after how Sig has handled the whole P320 debacle.

Now I'm evaluating other options.  I'm currently shooting a G17/5 with RMR at the range and daily carry a G19/5.  While I really LIKE and TRUST my Glocks, I want something....different....better.  I'm seriously considering a Walther PDP Pro-X full size.  This is the full size frame with comp and comes with 3 20 round mags for $950ish.

New pistol requirements:

 1. Under $1200
 2. Full-size gun (4.5" or greater barrel length)
 3. Optics ready
 4. Rail for light
 5. Affordable mags
 6. Striker fired

Guns I'm considering....Walther PDP Pro-X, S&W M&P 2.0 Metal, Canik TTI.  What else should I be looking at GD?
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Glock 45MOS
6/12/2025 11:03:21 AM EDT
[#40]
I would be very interested in a PDP if it wasn't so fat. Glock is about as wide as I want to go for a carry gun (I don't have range toys).
6/12/2025 11:11:09 AM EDT
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Also… what’s a “range gun”? Like how does that get used, exactly?
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I think it's pretty clear that means it's not something he's going to carry for duty or SD.


I call mine "competition guns" because it makes me sound cooler.
6/12/2025 11:13:52 AM EDT
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VP9A1F
6/12/2025 11:14:10 AM EDT
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I am really loving this one.  HK VP9F A1

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I went with the VP9L-OR

Great pistol.
6/12/2025 11:15:37 AM EDT
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PDP Pro is a solid choice
6/12/2025 11:18:53 AM EDT
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I just want to get into something different and really try to improve my shooting skills.
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If you're serious about improving, don't waste money on a new gun. This won't improve your shooting skills one iota.

Take your $1200 and buy 2000 rounds of ammo and a 2 day course with a respected pistol instructor. Not your local tactard. Look for someone who has been teaching a long time and has a solid competition background to validate their training methods.
6/12/2025 11:21:38 AM EDT
[#46]
M&P 9 2.0 (plastic frame) and a Holosun EPS
6/12/2025 11:25:33 AM EDT
[#47]
You got a range gun a night stand gun and a carry gun all different types or manufacturers guns?
6/12/2025 11:25:49 AM EDT
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This.  Your budget can cover better options.  I'd get a Tisas or MAC 2011 as best bang within your budget.  

If you must have a triker for sone reason, M&P is my preference.
6/12/2025 11:27:31 AM EDT
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Be a man get a beretta.
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6/12/2025 11:31:18 AM EDT
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