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Posted: 9/11/2004 5:36:09 AM EDT
I do not know why, but I had no I idea that this law got signed. I can remember in the very early 90's drolling over the hk's 93's and the blue sky m-1 carbines (would not buy one because of the import mark).
I did hot find out about the band till prob 2 to 3 years into it, but I am glad that it is over. Badredfish |
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We got some notice, but the problem was everyone did at the same time and there was buying pressure.
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Nobody that I was ordering from would ship you anything. Mostly small local dealers were the only people I was able to get a few parts from around here.
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I had a lot of notice, because I paid attention to talk radio and what was going on in Congress. Problem was that my money was tied up, and couldn't raise enough at the time to buy another rifle. I was well stocked up on mags though.
I won't be in that position this time. While I don't plan to buy any more guns at this time, you never know...and I really fear the next ban will be more comprehensive, with fewer loopholes/errors in it. Stock up as fast as you can, especially if Kerry gets in. |
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Not much time for me, I was getting married and building a house in 94. Not much $$ then. I did pick up a Tec-9 for an humm, "investment". That what I told the new wife at the time.
Found out it junk and it has been hiding in my safe since then. |
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If I remember correctly I had the better part of a year maybe closer to two. I spent that time buying items such as hi-caps for Glock 17's, 19's and 23's from the many Pawn shops we have here in DFW, many for as little as $5 each....
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I watched it on C-SPAN when that bullshiite vote ocurred, and then watched the news the day Der Shlikmeister signed it....
Glad the POS is dying. Utterly pointless feel-good, do-nothing law.... |
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I remember some of the major distributors stealing from their customers. For a good while, several of the large dist. were pulling spare mags out of Sig and Glock boxes. When they would arrive at the dealer with one mag, the packing list would say 2, when questioned, dist said Glock and Sig started shipping only 1 mag, when contacted, glock and Sig both said they are still shipping w/ 2 mags. Coincidentally, these same distributors seemed to have a goodly supply of spare Hi-cap magazines!
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Wow. Nice to know we're all on the same side... Asshats..... |
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Just enough notice to run down to the Wal-Mart at 81st & Lewis and empty their shelves of every 30 round 10/22 mag that they had.
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Seems to me, we fought it like hell for about a month I think, before final passage. I think we knew about it for a couple or three months, before final passage. (That, was a long time ago)
I DO remember all the manufacturers were cranking out soon to be banned weaps/mags, like crazy........... |
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I was in college back then and didn't fully understand the whole ban. I knwe to go ahead and buy the Glock I wanted before the ban. My Glock only came with 1 15 round mag Wish I would have known the truth back then.
But back then the internet was not as it is today, so knowledge of these type things were hard to come by for me. Plus, ordering stuff wasn't at easy before the internet really took off. |
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I wasnt into AR15 style rifles when the ban Hit But I purchaced a HK usp hand gun and the dealer gave me the option of 2 10 round magazines or a 1 Hi Cap . I took the 2 10rd mags not Knowing any better then when I got home I read the Owners manual It said The Gun Came with 2 high cap magazines Boy was I ever pised off and for some reason I kept buying Guns from that Place after that. |
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We got lots of notice, almost a year.
Back in March of this year, everyone got a lesson in the amendment process in Congress. The AW portions of the 1994 crime bill signed into law on Sept 13, 1994 were actually voted on much earlier. The Senate, of course, passed the "Feinstein Amendment No. 1152" (what else?) on November 17, 1993. The vote was 56 to 43 with one Senator not voting. Here is the vote by State: Alabama: Heflin (D-AL), Nay Shelby (D-AL), Nay Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Nay Arizona: DeConcini (D-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Nay Arkansas: Bumpers (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea California: Boxer (D-CA), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Colorado: Brown (R-CO), Yea Campbell (D-CO), Yea Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Yea Lieberman (D-CT), Yea Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Yea Roth (R-DE), Yea Florida: Graham (D-FL), Yea Mack (R-FL), Nay Georgia: Coverdell (R-GA), Nay Nunn (D-GA), Yea Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Nay Kempthorne (R-ID), Nay Illinois: Moseley-Braun (D-IL), Yea Simon (D-IL), Yea Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea Kansas: Dole (R-KS), Nay Kassebaum (R-KS), Yea Kentucky: Ford (D-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Nay Louisiana: Breaux (D-LA), Nay Johnston (D-LA), Nay Maine: Cohen (R-ME), Nay Mitchell (D-ME), Yea Maryland: Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Riegle (D-MI), Yea Minnesota: Durenberger (R-MN), Nay Wellstone (D-MN), Yea Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Nay Lott (R-MS), Nay Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Nay Danforth (R-MO), Yea Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Burns (R-MT), Nay Nebraska: Exon (D-NE), Yea Kerrey (D-NE), Yea Nevada: Bryan (D-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Nay New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Smith (R-NH), Nay New Jersey: Bradley (D-NJ), Yea Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Nay New York: D'Amato (R-NY), Nay Moynihan (D-NY), Yea North Carolina: Faircloth (R-NC), Nay Helms (R-NC), Nay North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Not Voting Ohio: Glenn (D-OH), Yea Metzenbaum (D-OH), Yea Oklahoma: Boren (D-OK), Yea Nickles (R-OK), Nay Oregon: Hatfield (R-OR), Yea Packwood (R-OR), Yea Pennsylvania: Specter (R-PA), Nay Wofford (D-PA), Yea Rhode Island: Chafee (R-RI), Yea Pell (D-RI), Yea South Carolina: Hollings (D-SC), Nay Thurmond (R-SC), Nay South Dakota: Daschle (D-SD), Yea Pressler (R-SD), Nay Tennessee: Mathews (D-TN), Yea Sasser (D-TN), Nay Texas: Gramm (R-TX), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Nay Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Nay Hatch (R-UT), Nay Vermont: Jeffords (R-VT), Yea Leahy (D-VT), Yea Virginia: Robb (D-VA), Yea Warner (R-VA), Nay Washington: Gorton (R-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Yea West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea Wyoming: Simpson (R-WY), Nay Wallop (R-WY), Nay The House voted on a similar piece of legislation on May 5, 1994. They called it the.....sit down..........."PUBLIC SAFETY AND RECREATION FIREARMS USE PROTECTION ACT" The vote was 216 to 214 with 3 not voting. Party breakdown was Republican 38 yes, 137 no. Democrat 177 yes, 77 no. Check out who one of the "Not Voting" members was........FOLEY! The freaking Speaker of the House did not vote on the original bill. What a crock of gutless shit! He lost BTW in the next election Here is the vote (Republican members are in Italics)............ --- YES 216 --- Abercrombie Greenwood Morella Ackerman Gutierrez Nadler Andrews (ME) Hall (OH) Neal Andrews Hamburg Neal (NC) Andrews (TX) Harman Olver Applegate Hastings (FL) Owens Bacchus (FL) Hoagland Pallone Baesler Hochbrueckner Pastor Barrett (WI) Horn Payne (NJ) Bateman Houghton Pelosi Becerra Hoyer Penny Beilenson Huffington Pickle Bereuter Hughes Pomeroy Berman Hyde Porter Bishop Inslee Price (NC) Blackwell Jacobs Pryce Blute Jefferson Quinn Boehlert Johnson (CT) Rangel Bonior Johnson (GA) Reed Borski Johnson, E. B. Reynolds Brown (CA) Johnston Ridge Brown (FL) Kaptur Roemer Brown (OH) Kasich Ros-Lehtinen Bryant (TX) Kennedy (MA) Rostenkowski Byrne Kennelly Roukema Cantwell Kildee Roybal-Allard Cardin King Rush Carr Kleczka Sabo Castle Klein Sanders Clay Klug Sangmeister Clayton Kreidler Sawyer Clyburn LaFalce Saxton Coleman Lambert Schenk Collins (IL) Lantos Schroeder Collins (MI) Lazio Schumer Condit Leach Scott Conyers Lehman Serrano Coppersmith Levin Sharp Coyne Levy Shaw DeLauro Lewis (GA) Shays Dellums Lipinski Shepherd Derrick Lloyd Skaggs Deutsch Lowey Slattery Dicks Machtley Slaughter Dixon Maloney Smith (NJ) Dooley Mann Spratt Durbin Manton Stark Edwards (CA) Margolies-Mezvinsky Stokes Edwards Markey Studds Engel Martinez Swett English (AZ) Matsui Swift Eshoo Mazzoli Synar Evans McCurdy Thompson Farr McDade Torres Fawell McDermott Torricelli Fazio McHale Towns Fields (LA) McKinney Traficant Filner McNulty Tucker Fingerhut Meehan Valentine Flake Meek Velazquez Foglietta Menendez Vento Ford (MI) Meyers Visclosky Ford Mfume Washington Frank (MA) Michel Waters Franks (NJ) Miller (CA) Watt (NC) Furse Miller (FL) Waxman Gejdenson Mineta Wheat Gephardt Minge Woolsey Gibbons Mink Wyden Gilchrest Moakley Wynn Glickman Molinari Yates Gonzalez Moran Young (FL) --- NO 214 --- Allard Gilman Parker Archer Gingrich Paxon Armey Goodlatte Payne (VA) Bachus Goodling Peterson (FL) Baker (CA) Gordon Peterson (MN) Baker (LA) Goss Petri Ballenger Grams Pickett Barca Grandy Pombo Barcia Green Portman Barlow Gunderson Poshard Barrett (NE) Hall (TX) Quillen Bartlett Hamilton Rahall Barton Hancock Ramstad Bentley Hansen Ravenel Bevill Hastert Regula Bilbray Hayes Richardson Bilirakis Hefley Roberts Bliley Hefner Rohrabacher Boehner Herger Rose Bonilla Hilliard Roth Boucher Hinchey Rowland Brewster Hobson Royce Brooks Hoekstra Santorum Browder Hoke Sarpalius Bunning Holden Schaefer Burton Hunter Schiff Buyer Hutchinson Sensenbrenner Callahan Hutto Shuster Calvert Inglis Sisisky Camp Inhofe Skeen Canady Istook Skelton Chapman Johnson (SD) Smith (IA) Clement Johnson, Sam Smith (MI) Clinger Kanjorski Smith (OR) Coble Kim Smith (TX) Collins (GA) Kingston Snowe Combest Klink Solomon Cooper Knollenberg Spence Costello Kolbe Stearns Cox Kopetski Stenholm Cramer Kyl Strickland Crane Lancaster Stump Crapo LaRocco Stupak Cunningham Laughlin Sundquist Danner Lewis (CA) Talent Darden Lewis (FL) Tanner de la Garza Lightfoot Tauzin Deal Linder Taylor (MS) DeFazio Livingston Taylor (NC) DeLay Manzullo Tejeda Diaz-Balart McCandless Thomas Dickey McCloskey Thomas (WY) Dingell McCollum Thornton Doolittle McCrery Thurman Dornan McHugh Torkildsen Dreier McInnis Unsoeld Duncan McKeon Upton Dunn McMillan Volkmer Ehlers Mica Vucanovich Emerson Mollohan Walker Everett Montgomery Walsh Ewing Moorhead Weldon (PA) Fields (TX) Murphy Whitten Fish Murtha Williams Fowler Myers Wilson Franks (CT) Nussle Wise Frost Oberstar Wolf Gallegly Obey Young (AK) Gallo Ortiz Zeliff Gekas Orton Zimmer Geren Oxley Gillmor Packard --- NOT VOTING 3 --- Foley Long Rogers Now, once these amendments were passed in each House, they were then reconciled in Conference and added to the Omnibus bill that became known as the "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994". THIS is the bill that Clinton signed into law on September 13, 1994. It needed Gore to cast the tie breaking vote in the Senate as several Senators who voted FOR the amendment pulled their support for the AWB at the last minute. This should illustrate just how complex the process was 10 years ago. We all have to keep in mind how incredibly devisive and close this issue was and how long it took. For all of you out there who think another ban is only a "Midnight session" away, look at what had to take place over YEARS. Also, keep in mind, this ALL took place at the height of the anti-gun hysteria WITH an anti-gun President in the White House and in a Democrat controlled Congress!!! We are NOT going to see another Federal AWB..................EVER! The States are the battlefields now. Hope this all helps. |
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I didn't think it would pass, but I had money ready in case it did. I had CNN on, and as soon as it was announced, I raced to the nearest dealer and bought an AW. This dealer had not yet heard the ban had passed, so I paid the (then) normal price. I also wanted a second AW, but this dealer did not have it. I went to a second dealer, but by the time I got there, he had heard about the ban, and he jacked up his prices. I paid more for the 2nd AW, but since then, the price of the 2nd AW has remained above what I paid on that day. . . . .
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I remember hearing about it on the news. That's about it. I was only 12 at the time.
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We had a STRONG effort to pass a truly onerous/draconian bill in Illinois in 1992--by then Republican Governor Jim Edgar. This event got me off my butt and active in politics. I <heard> a number of Militia-type groups sprang up around the state and had a loose association among themselves, as well as a couple national groups (Militia of Montana and the Michigan Militia). The law, which only failed by ONE vote, would have made it an instant felony to possess most semi-auto rifles--no grace period, no grandfathering, no anything--yesterday you were a law-abiding citizen with a rifle, today you are a felon. Real effing nice.
I obtained my FFL in 1993, when my local gun shop wanted to special order my first AR-15 (Olympic Arms Ultramatch) and mark it up $250! I had been toying with the idea for several years, so finally took the plunge. My UM-1 was my first firearm obtained with my FFL. I had been buying slightly used mags at gun shows for several years--for $3 each, and NIW for $4. I ended up ordering several AR-type rifles for other guys too. I did everything I could to fight the AWB--and we still don't have one (yet!) in Illinois. I ended up becoming a Life member of the NRA and the Illinois State Rifle Association. |
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Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Yea Kerry (D-MA), Yea Lest anyone forget! |
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Here is an article from today about one of the Republican Senators that voted for it. Boy am I glad she's gone!!
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Hey! You're alive! Good to hear from you again. You had me worried..... |
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