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Posted: 3/26/2024 3:19:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jinxsters]
Ship hit it allegedly?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killingmachine123: I saw this earlier today, but haven't had a chance to read up on it yet. Is there any truth to a rumor one of my coworkers heard that it was a woman captain? 
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Diesel electric is a thing, but I don't know of any container ships with that because the intended use case is so different. You mostly find it on specialty vessels with high electric loads, like crane barges or DP construction/supply vessels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eesmith: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Not to ask a stupid question, but how does a direct-drive ship (prop coupled directly to the crankshaft) suddenly lose power? Fuel starvation/exhaustion? Is it direct drive? A lot of newer ships are electric drive Yeah I would doubt any of the massive cargo ships are diesel electric. Direct drive has to be way more efficient for that use case. Diesel electric is great for things like ferries and tugs, when you're starting/stopping/changing direction a lot/quickly. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:31:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FishKepr: They have some really cool toys though.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvuufBqp0_4We do the same thing. Here is a larger one being used on the massive new bridge in Corpus. (I posted about it in this thread several posts back) Its called a beam launcher among other things.     |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:33:37 PM EDT
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From The Wire
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:34:08 PM EDT
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If not already posted it will be interesting to see the timeline of the distress call from the ship, who received it and when the people at the ends of the bridge were notified so that they could stop traffic from crossing the bridge. Is that a toll bridge because I have been on some long bridges and don't recall seeing anyone who could have stopped traffic.
Maybe it was police who stopped traffic but even at that, unless the distress call was well in advance of the collision, someone acted very quickly. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMissed this video on the previous page. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:47:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Anyone want a good laugh? My dad said the Army Corp of Engineering will just bust out the old plans for the bridge from the 70's and have it rebuilt just like it was in 6 months.  He said to write it on the wall. I need a  .Should’ve busted out that sharpie. Make him never forget.  |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:53:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sierra5]
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sailboat: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/162868/IMG_9575-3170373.png Question. In this photo there appears to be one bow thruster. Can they be used while moving over a certain speed (assuming it has power.) I don't know anything or have experience on an anything over 50 tons and even then it's incredibly limited and no offshore except for sailing so my experience is basically boats less than 60 feet. Hoping the experts can provide some input. I am told that B/T don't have much impact over 5 knots and are really only designed to operate under 3 knots. Dhali was going ~8 knots sooooo. I doubt the B/T would have had any impact for the short time they could have used them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:59:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: If not already posted it will be interesting to see the timeline of the distress call from the ship, who received it and when the people at the ends of the bridge were notified so that they could stop traffic from crossing the bridge. Is that a toll bridge because I have been on some long bridges and don't recall seeing anyone who could have stopped traffic. Maybe it was police who stopped traffic but even at that, unless the distress call was well in advance of the collision, someone acted very quickly. I'd like to know the same thing. Closing down a highway isn't quick unless you already have people in place. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:05:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: $695M so probably $1B in today's construction money. 3 years construction (2010 to 2013) Main span 1500ft 2 lanes each way https://cdnassets.hw.net/8b/c5/bb685ae54003bb5f01dccd55975d/bridge-open-hero-tcm111-2143815.jpg Of course that 3 years didn't include design, permitting, etc. Section 10 permits are supposed to be fun. That thing is tiny. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:08:34 AM EDT
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Damn, been busy all day and this is the first I've heard of this.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:15:46 AM EDT
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Well,.. Well,.. Well....
So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?"  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:18:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhoa |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG He hasn't been captain of the Dali since 2016-2018ish, the current crew is all Indian. And you probably know that and posted this anyway, didn't you? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: If not already posted it will be interesting to see the timeline of the distress call from the ship, who received it and when the people at the ends of the bridge were notified so that they could stop traffic from crossing the bridge. Is that a toll bridge because I have been on some long bridges and don't recall seeing anyone who could have stopped traffic. Maybe it was police who stopped traffic but even at that, unless the distress call was well in advance of the collision, someone acted very quickly. I read there are signs and barriers to shut the bridge in high wind, also appears police were dispatched to close the bridge. This is a disaster that happened slowly, 95000 tons of out of control ship, it’s going 8.5 knots, they are doing everything they can but physics controls everything. It’s literally the slowest motion car crash ever. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: neshomamench]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Monkey: I'd like to know the same thing. Closing down a highway isn't quick unless you already have people in place. In a "Whatever it takes" situation, I can close down an any number of lane highway (in one direction) in less than a minute with a single police car and just me. There are a few methods but the "Traffic Break" is pretty standard. There are risks, but it works. Among the problems with a hazard up ahead, are you cant control the people ahead of where you start this procedure.  CHP Traffic Break (San Diego) How long it takes me to get there....well, that depends on how far away I am and what is in between me and there. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG This is getting out of hand. I want to see a Venn diagram overlapping the “fuck Ukraine” crowd with the “intentional bridge sabotage” crowd. Maybe we sample the moon landing hoax and the 9/11 truthers too. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:24:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: This is allegedly the local pilot who was at the wheel (unconfirmed) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJoI871W8AAqxk6?format=jpg&name=medium Seems plenty qualified and experienced. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:25:11 AM EDT
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Bow thrusters can’t do shit with a vessel that size at that speed.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:27:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: This is getting out of hand. I want to see a Venn diagram overlapping the “fuck Ukraine” crowd with the “intentional bridge sabotage” crowd. Maybe we sample the moon landing hoax and the 9/11 truthers too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG This is getting out of hand. I want to see a Venn diagram overlapping the “fuck Ukraine” crowd with the “intentional bridge sabotage” crowd. Maybe we sample the moon landing hoax and the 9/11 truthers too. Have DEWs been brought up yet? You know them DEWs DUN DIDIT |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:27:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:36:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG
   
 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:37:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch: He hasn't been captain of the Dali since 2016-2018ish, the current crew is all Indian. And you probably know that and posted this anyway, didn't you? No, I don't know that. So who is the master as of today? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:40:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG I'm not the biggest fan of the Dwarf Tsar's empire, and all into conspiracy theories, but even I know this was most likely caused by incompetence. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:48:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JustinU235]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG People like you are why SMEs are worth their weight in gold. Do you feel at least a little shame for being so easily mislead and manipulated? Or is it a normal state of being? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:50:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: The guy who took command knew what he was doing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By Fiyero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3lz-oBnmYEWent out originally as a vehicle in the water. It went front 0-100 quick. The guy who took command knew what he was doing. Agreed I was riveted the whole 90min...they all seemed to be doing a pretty damn good job at responding to the situation. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:50:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:57:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: People like you are why SMEs are worth their weight in gold. Do you feel at least a little shame for being so easily mislead and manipulated? Or is it a normal state of being? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JustinU235: Originally Posted By W_E_G: Well,.. Well,.. Well.... So the ship's MASTER is.... Ukranian. And somebody is trying to scrub the public records of the ship at https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers Now just showing one poor schlub, some "motorman." Info on the Master of the ship has been scrubbed. But the internet never forgets. Here's an archived copy of the page. https://archive.is/lkVU2 Its an archived copy of the page. None of the tabs or hyperlinks on the archived page are functional. Why would they want to scrub it from the live site? I think you have to buy a subscription to the live site to get rid of the asterisks in the names. Ukranian ship Master. I'm sure its just a coincidence. The ship just "lost power." And besides, Ukraine is "on our side." Why would Ukraine (or anyone FROM Ukraine) want to do anything nefarious to "us?" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105614/scrub_1_jpg-3170624.JPG People like you are why SMEs are worth their weight in gold. Do you feel at least a little shame for being so easily mislead and manipulated? Or is it a normal state of being? Like I said Originally Posted By JLH3: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: Originally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By mancat: OK, tell me how you would do it. A ship is literally a walled garden when it comes to the network facing the outside world. IF there is a vector: When it comes to the ships' automation systems, at most you may have a VPN tunnel maintained by specific systems that is ONLY directly facing into an automation vendor's network. In most cases this is a one way deal where performance information is submitted to the vendor remotely. Common with some MAN Diesel systems, Kongsberg, etc. Some vendors have "always on" tunnels here but many I've worked with specifically require manual intent from the engineers aboard to establish the tunnel, report performance data, or allow the automation vendor to make any sort of changes. When it comes to "hacking" a ship, the biggest threat is spoofing systems reliant on radio/satellite input e.g. GPS or AIS data that is interpreted by the navigation systems and could in theory be used to nudge a ship in a direction the crew wouldn't want it to go. But this would mean active autopilot on the steering stand, which is fed by electronic chart systems, and every one of these systems I've worked with will throw up a red flag if for example the GPS ir AIS data checksums do not match on the NMEA (serial) input stream. This is where most of the focus has been on attacking vessels and some proofs of concept have taken place at Defcon, but none of it is a guaranteed vector to take control of a ship, more of a denial of service type attack. Most shipping companies I've worked with have put a great deal of effort into network segmentation when/if various on board networks face each other. In fact I spent the last 2-3 years working on a large scale project specifically for this purpose. But guess what: breakers fail, have to be maintained, and rebuilt. Ships lose power, shit happens. That's why ships have muliple generators (4 to 6 is common on a ship this size) plus additional emergency generator and independent power buses. It happened at the absolute worst place and time for this particular ship. Working on this shit is literally what I do for a living.. feel free to ask. I fucking love this site. the # of SMEs we have is amazing The only thing more amazing is how energetically and vociferously GD ignores them. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 12:57:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:02:43 AM EDT
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Assuming the Master of the ship wasn't the Ukranian guy, are there online records that show who IS the Master of the ship?
Or are we just going on Twitter posts that say the crew was "all Indian?" I don't mind being wrong. If that's the case. So show me something that is current and reliable. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:05:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLH3: Like I said |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:19:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:21:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Assuming the Master of the ship wasn't the Ukranian guy, are there online records that show who IS the Master of the ship? Or are we just going on Twitter posts that say the crew was "all Indian?" I don't mind being wrong. If that's the case. So show me something that is current and reliable. At the time it should have been under the control of a port pilot or something similar so whoever was the actual captain was immaterial Note: not a ship guy. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:38:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: W_E_G]
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Looks like the site at https://www.balticshipping.com/seafarers lists Ukrainian-nationality Masters in chronological order by date "updated."
I'm not seeing the Ukranian guy listed there now. I wonder if that site operates such that individuals can remove their own information from the site. Seems like it probably would. So I'm guessing the Ukranian guy took his own information down. Moreover the 2016 information we're seeing for the Ukranian guy was likely uploaded by him. And that 2016 information is now taken-down too. By my read, any information tagging someone to a particular vessel on the balticshipping.com site is self-reported. It seems that once someone has created their crew profile on balticshipping.com site, they can tag a particular vessel as their current duty station. I just want to know why the Ukranian guy appeared on the balticshipping.com site, and tagged to the Dali, and with an update date of just this month. Is the archived page phony? As in a complete fake? I don't know who was the Master of the ship today. It seems that information is not the public domain. Except for the one guy (indeed an Indian) listed as "motorman/oiler" we don't know who the crew of the Dali was. CBS news telling us the crew was "all indian" doesn't fill me with confidence in accuracy of the information. CBS is just repeating what somebody told them or whatever they read somewhere. Same as I am. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 1:47:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: W_E_G]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: At the time it should have been under the control of a port pilot or something similar so whoever was the actual captain was immaterial Note: not a ship guy. I disagree that the identity of the captain is immaterial. The captain is ultimately responsible for all conditions or omissions aboard the ship. The fact that they had paid expert drivers (Pilots) aboard at the time of the incident does not eliminate the ability of the captain to access any part of the ship. I'm not saying I know for sure who was the captain ("Master" is the term I believe) at the time of the allision. That information has to be disclosed at some point. It would be amazing if some cover-up could manage to falsify the identity of the ship's Master in the official record. By my assessment at this point, the balticshipping.com is the official record of nothing. Seems to be really a glorified classified ads section for people with some credentials looking for work aboard ships. Yet WHY was the Ukranian guy's balticshipping.com profile showing him to be the master of the Dali just this month? Error or falsification of the Ukranian guy in posting his work status? And why would he completely delete his profile from the site? -- Assuming that SOMEBODY ELSE didn't do the deleting. Somebody explain it to me. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:15:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Backscatter]
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So... FJB promises to rebuild the bridge using taxpayer money. Saves the insurance company Billions of dollars. Insurance company will surely reward him by buying several of Hunter's paintings or some shit. The construction companies will surely give him kickbacks for the contract to rebuild.
Twice the grift. Fucking brilliant! 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:20:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By noob5000000: Whoa Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By noob5000000: Whoa The levels of irony there are just absurd. I know these are actors playing roles. But a certain scene involving someone screaming about obsolete men that the state has no use for their kind comes to mind.  Great Scene from The Twilight Zone episode "The Obsolete Man" |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:21:50 AM EDT
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 Baltimore bridge collapse raises questions of Bay Bridge integrity |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:23:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: I disagree that the identity of the captain is immaterial. The captain is ultimately responsible for all conditions or omissions aboard the ship. The fact that they had paid expert drivers (Pilots) aboard at the time of the incident does not eliminate the ability of the captain to access any part of the ship. I'm not saying I know for sure who was the captain ("Master" is the term I believe) at the time of the allision. That information has to be disclosed at some point. It would be amazing if some cover-up could manage to falsify the identity of the ship's Master in the official record. By my assessment at this point, the balticshipping.com is the official record of nothing. Seems to be really a glorified classified ads section for people with some credentials looking for work aboard ships. Yet WHY was the Ukranian guy's balticshipping.com profile showing him to be the master of the Dali just this month? Error or falsification of the Ukranian guy in posting his work status? And why would he completely delete his profile from the site? -- Assuming that SOMEBODY ELSE didn't do the deleting. Somebody explain it to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Originally Posted By fadedsun: At the time it should have been under the control of a port pilot or something similar so whoever was the actual captain was immaterial Note: not a ship guy. I disagree that the identity of the captain is immaterial. The captain is ultimately responsible for all conditions or omissions aboard the ship. The fact that they had paid expert drivers (Pilots) aboard at the time of the incident does not eliminate the ability of the captain to access any part of the ship. I'm not saying I know for sure who was the captain ("Master" is the term I believe) at the time of the allision. That information has to be disclosed at some point. It would be amazing if some cover-up could manage to falsify the identity of the ship's Master in the official record. By my assessment at this point, the balticshipping.com is the official record of nothing. Seems to be really a glorified classified ads section for people with some credentials looking for work aboard ships. Yet WHY was the Ukranian guy's balticshipping.com profile showing him to be the master of the Dali just this month? Error or falsification of the Ukranian guy in posting his work status? And why would he completely delete his profile from the site? -- Assuming that SOMEBODY ELSE didn't do the deleting. Somebody explain it to me. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:24:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RealityCheck0311]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJnfKbpXkAA0Xqa?format=jpg&name=large What irritates is me all the people repeating the narrative "Alex Jones is right more than wrong." But somehow dismissing every batshit conspiracy theory (like above) he says almost daily that's almost always wrong. Events like this just realize how much I hate all media (especially cable news) in general. Just STFU with the conspiracy theories and conjecture until you have real solid facts. A majority of stuff being posted right now on social media is going to fake BS that's easily debunked. It's so sad when people view a catastrophe or tragic event as a tool to spread their personal BS. "Must have been a drunk Russian Trump supporter at the wheel" or from the opposite side, "Must be a Ukrainian DEI candidate." All because Real_Truther_69 on twitter said so. Just STFU until you get real facts and stop speculating. Stop treating tragic events like it's a contest to see who can prove something first. Stop acting like women glued to the TV watching Nancy Grace discuss some missing person and then trying to solve it at home like you're some investigator. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:44:31 AM EDT
[#42]
I don't understand why it's so hard for people in this thread, and on GD in general, to understand a simple principle:
Overwhelming claims require overwhelming evidence. Shotgunning "what ifs" and then telling other people to prove you wrong is not how critical thinking works. If you want to claim that this was a cyberattack, or a terror attack, or whatever, you need actual, concrete evidence. Not supposition, not correlation, but actual data that proves causation. How about some forensic analysis of the computers on the ship? How about an actual link from a crewmember to a terror network? Anything of that nature. Because for now, the available video and comms evidence very, very clearly points to this being an accident / mechanical malfunction that resulted in the ship uncontrollably drifting into the support, causing the collapse. Until you have strong, concrete evidence that overrides the strong, concrete evidence that shows this was an accident / unintentional, please stop. You are making yourselves look ridiculous and dare I say it, unintelligent. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 2:52:01 AM EDT
[#43]
2019
 Russian cargo ship crashes into bridge in South Korea A Russian cargo ship hits a road bridge in Busan, South Korea. The Korea coastguard said the 5,998-ton Seagrand hit the Gwangan bridge before turning around. No injuries were reported but the bridge was closed for safety checks, the Korea Herald reported. It said the captain had a blood alcohol content of 0.086% when the legal limit is 0.03%. It is not clear if he was at the helm at the time. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:05:38 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: This is allegedly the local pilot who was at the wheel (unconfirmed) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJoI871W8AAqxk6?format=jpg&name=medium So.....Girl Power??? Or is ot Girl Boss now? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:19:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: madmacs69]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: That thing is tiny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWhiteHorse: Originally Posted By madmacs69: $695M so probably $1B in today's construction money. 3 years construction (2010 to 2013) Main span 1500ft 2 lanes each way https://cdnassets.hw.net/8b/c5/bb685ae54003bb5f01dccd55975d/bridge-open-hero-tcm111-2143815.jpg Of course that 3 years didn't include design, permitting, etc. Section 10 permits are supposed to be fun. That thing is tiny. At the time it was the 3rd largest in he US Backspan 635ft x2 = 1270 Mainstay = 1500 Total. = 2770ft I think the original budget was supposed to be around $220M. https://alberici.com/projects/stan-musial-veterans-memorial-bridge/ The project entailed construction of a 1,500-foot main span with 400-foot towers. The total length of the improvement was 1.22 miles. The work included 12 drilled shafts (11 feet, six inches); 38,225 cubic yards of substructure concrete; 9,446 cubic yards of superstructure concrete (pre-stressed slab panels); 8,188 tons of fabricated structural steel; 1,257 tons of stay cable strand; and 7,563 tons of reinforcing steel. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:28:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WoodHeat]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: This is allegedly the local pilot who was at the wheel (unconfirmed) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJoI871W8AAqxk6?format=jpg&name=medium Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SamBoga: Originally Posted By killingmachine123: I saw this earlier today, but haven't had a chance to read up on it yet. Is there any truth to a rumor one of my coworkers heard that it was a woman captain? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJoI871W8AAqxk6?format=jpg&name=medium I had her as a training officer at NY Maritime in thr 90s. She knows her shit. She's definitely not a quota hire or in any way unqualified. Eta: Pilots are not "at the wheel". The Captain is in complete command of the ship at all times. The Pilot advises the Captain but at no time is in command or steering. There are a couple of exceptions, like in the Suez canal, but generally the above statement is true. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:45:13 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: I had her as a training officer at NY Maritime in thr 90s. She knows her shit. She's definitely not a quota hire or in any way unqualified. Eta: Pilots are not "at the wheel". The Captain is in complete command of the ship at all times. The Pilot advises the Captain but at no time is in command or steering. There are a couple of exceptions, like in the Suez canal, but generally the above statement is true. Thank you for that valuable information. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:52:03 AM EDT
[#48]
In this thread I learned who are fellow mariners (who understand the situation), those who have some knowledge of the industry, those who are amazed that ships can't stop on a dime, and all the rest.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:54:25 AM EDT
[#49]
I’m in a state of disbelief that the person in charge of a ship is referred to as “Master”.
There needs to be a serious reckoning in the maritime world and I’m sure as fuck not talking about maintenance or crew competency. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 3:58:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: solid]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: I’m in a state of disbelief that the person in charge of a ship is referred to as “Master”. There needs to be a serious reckoning in the maritime world and I’m sure as fuck not talking about maintenance or crew competency. You're not wrong, Ben Crump is furiously free fapping trying to figure how to make millons on this. |
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