Anti-Kerry vets won't pull attack ads--UPI

Washington, DC, Aug. 23 (UPI) -- Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will not pull television ads attacking John Kerry's service despite President Bush's wishes, sources said Monday.

Sources close to the Swift Boat Veterans said the issue of Kerry's military service is too important to drop.

"It is not a Republican or Democratic issue. If John Kerry was a Republican, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth would still run this ad."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, composed of Navy veterans who served in a patrol boat unit with Kerry in Vietnam, contend Kerry lied about his combat service, does not deserve the medals he was awarded and is not fit to be president. In an ad that ran in three states earlier this month, vets appeared saying that. In an ad appearing beginning Tuesday, former prisoners of war join the swift boat vets in attacking Kerry for his subsequent anti-war activities.

Bush Monday said all advertisements by so-called 527s -- non-profit advocacy organizations not part of a campaign organization -- should be pulled from the air, including that of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

Good for them! Fuck Bush!

The day that Combat Vetrans have to shut their mouths because a Boston Blue-blood and a Texas Air National Guard "vetran" don't think that they should be saying mean things is the day that America is dead!

Pornography is considered freedom of the press, and a sculpture of the Virgin Mary made of cowshit is freedom of speech, but the opinion of combat vetrans of a cantidate for Presidency is a soft money campaign ad that needs to be outlawed! What a wonderful country we have made for ourselves!

[Kerry] It's Bush's fault.....wait, uh you mean he denounced them? Uh...well...um, er IT'S STILL BUSH'S FAULT!

Waahhhh Wahhhhh make them stop saying bad things about me......[/Kerry]

I can hardly wait til their next add

Quoted: I can hardly wait til their next add

Swifties have a mega-october surprise?

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All indications are that the Swiftees’ offensive against Hanoi John is severely damaging the Kerry/Edwards candidacy. The television ads by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the #1 bestseller on Amazon, Unfit For Command, have credibly assaulted the basis for Kerry’s campaign: that his self-proclaimed status as a “war hero” during 4 months in Vietnam qualify him to be President of the United States.

However… in the famous words of Al Jolson: “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.” The Swiftees have prepared an October Surprise for Hanoi John that is going to blow his candidacy out of the water. I can’t tell you what it is, but I can tell you the television and radio ads have already been taped, and they are going to have an impact like an elephant sitting on a donkey.

The Swiftees have three things in abundance: money, brains, and balls. They know exactly how to go for the jugular, they have the dough to do it, and they are saving their best shot for last. The Democrats will not know what hit them and will not know how to retaliate. Get set folks. The Kerry Train Wreck is not going to be a pretty sight.

comment : just a rumor....I hope it's real

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amen

Good for them.  As a Vietnam vet myself, I'd rather give Kerry a pop in the nose than a vote.  

Funny how Kerry wants Bush to have the ads suppressed.  I'll guarantee that if anti-Bush ads were being broadcast, and there were a protest, the Kerry people would holler about freedom of speech and Constitutional rights.

I HOPE THEY DO STAY IN THE FIGHT.

Unfit is #3 on the New York Times best seller list... #1 on every other sales list I've seen and the demos are still trying to sit on the story!  too late guys!

CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, all the major media outlets including the papers have tried to kill this with negative press or no press at all: and it's still out there and getting bigger.

Maybe kerry should sick his wife on em...

Think about it. They have no choice but to continue now. If they stopped, it would confirm the Kerry campaign's contention that they're taking orders from Bush.

and why SHOULD they?  Last thing I read....

"That means that ad and every other ad. I don't believe we ought to have 527s. I think they're bad for the system," Bush said on Monday in Crawford, Texas.

Let moveon.org agree to quit too.

Something tells me that the BIG SURPRISE is not a rumor. You folks I'm sure are aware that if Kerry released his records, this whole matter could be straightened up. However he refuses to do so. What is it that he has to hide? If he is so offended by and really wants to put an end to attacks from the swiftees, why doesn't he produce these records that people keep talking about? What could he possibly gain by not doing so if he what he's telling is the truth?

Now, remember those Kerry documents that were stolen from that California home a few months ago? Or maybe it was longer, possibly even back in March? Anyway, why do I have a feeling that there's going to be a copy of these files show up? And why do I feel these files are going to be "the smoking gun" so to speak that without question and undeniably proves Kerry is a liar? I think Kerry knows he's fucked. And he knows why. This is why the swiftees have panicked Kerry wso much. This is why he is so desperate to shut them up. Because he knows they are getting ready to shut him down.

These Swift Boat guys, like them or not are organized. They have the fight in them. And something tells me they are saving the best for last. This should get very interesting.

Also, anyone notice how they waited until Kerry accepted the nomination by his party before really turning up the heat on him with this stuff. Could what they have turn into something so big that he might have stepped down or been picked over had it came before he accepted the nomination?

-CH

Quoted: and why SHOULD they?  Last thing I read.... "That means that ad and every other ad. I don't believe we ought to have 527s. I think they're bad for the system," Bush said on Monday in Crawford, Texas. Let moveon.org agree to quit too.

Yeah, 527s are pretty much just a way of circumventing election laws...

But this has REALLY got to chap Lewis, Soros and Bing’s ass. They've collectively contributed something like 50 million dollars to buy this election and Moveon, ACT, JVC and Media Fund have been all but totally ineffective.

Noting like hiring all the unemployed democrats to fleece your ass... Wonder how much cash they have left? Maybe I could get in on some 'o that.  

Quoted: Something tells me that the BIG SURPRISE is not a rumor. You folks I'm sure are aware that if Kerry released his records, this whole matter could be straightened up. However he refuses to do so. What is it that he has to hide? If he is so offended by and really wants to put an end to attacks from the swiftees, why doesn't he produce these records that people keep talking about? What could he possibly gain by not doing so if he what he's telling is the truth? Now, remember those Kerry documents that were stolen from that California home a few months ago? Or maybe it was longer, possibly even back in March? Anyway, why do I have a feeling that there's going to be a copy of these files show up? And why do I feel these files are going to be "the smoking gun" so to speak that without question and undeniably proves Kerry is a liar? I think Kerry knows he's fucked. And he knows why. This is why the swiftees have panicked Kerry wso much. This is why he is so desperate to shut them up. Because he knows they are getting ready to shut him down. These Swift Boat guys, like them or not are organized. They have the fight in them. And something tells me they are saving the best for last. This should get very interesting. Also, anyone notice how they waited until Kerry accepted the nomination by his party before really turning up the heat on him with this stuff. Could what they have turn into something so big that he might have stepped down or been picked over had it came before he accepted the nomination? -CH

Ok, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here for a second, so bear with me.

Aren't John Kerry's records already available on his campaign website, or are these records not complete or something? Am I missing something here?

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html
(purposely not hotlinked - keep it that way)

Otherwise, I completely agree with you and I hope that the Swiftvets do have a smoking gun to reveal in October. This election could quite possibly be one of the most interesting elections yet...

If the work of the Swifties can't torpedo Gilligan Gunboat, then it was simply not meant to be.

The last chapters of the book are much more indicting than the stuff about false reports, self-inflicted injuries, and out-and-out lies.

Kerry for all practical purposes served as an agent provacatur of the commies from 1971 on.  He met with reps of the NVN commie gov in Paris.  This is in the FBI files cited in Unfit for Command.  While Americans were dying in SEA, Kerry was coordinating plans for protests to undermine the will of not only the American public, but our troops in combat and those held in captivity.  He was not released from his recall status with the US Navy Reserves (he was always in the reserves) until 1978.  So while essentially still an officer in the Navy, we committed undeniably traitorous acts.

Read the damn book!  If you don't have a stroke you will at least puke at how rotten a piece of shit Kerry is.

Kerry's people are going to have their hands full fighting the Swifties.  He will not be able to run from this fight as he did repeatedly in VN.

Bush wanted them to pull those ads like he supports the AWB.  With his fingers crossed.

Quoted: Bush wanted them to pull those ads like he supports the AWB.  With his fingers crossed.

Cha-CHING.

I'm not completely sure what records is being referenced. But whatever it is hasn't been presented. It's a possibility that this is more than just his war records. Perhaps it might just be something involving FBI intelligence records too. I don't know. But I'm sure we'll soon find out if my hunch is right.

Can anyone confirm exactly what records it is that people are still calling for and what they pertain too? This is stuff I keep hearing on all the talk radio shows and other venues.

Quoted: Aren't John Kerry's records already available on his campaign website, or are these records not complete or something? Am I missing something here?

Yes, you are missing about 3/4s of his actual records... and he STILL refuses to release them.

Note also that his campaign site also lies about the date he left the naval reserves in the hopes of fending off a UCMJ charge for the crap he pulled in 71/72

Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican?

Have they found a copy of a counseling statement from his CO in Viet Nam that explains to him "A trip to the PX cannot be considered a secret mission to Cambodia or Laos".

Maybe this is what it is. LOL. I dunno.

BTW, is that something that the swiftees or someone else is actually claiming> Cuz if so, I hope they have the records to prove it! That would indeed be pretty damn damaging.

On one day alone, the Swifties received more than twice the dollars attributed to the Republican donor from Texas.  

Liberals are such shits, aren't they.  They cannot defend Kerry's actions so they attack the soure of less than half of the Swifty funds.

Kerry's honesty is the issue here...not only going back to the VN war, but also now.  Kerry made his honesty an issue when he repeatedly lied about his war record.

For those of you who have way too much sand up your vagina over this because Kerry is your favorite patrician, tough.  Kerry is a skank.  And the vast majority of his supporters are skanks, too.  That's why they like Kerry.  

If you took the ruthless dishonesty of LBJ, the incompetance of Carter, and the self-serving nature of Clinton and rolled them all into one, you would still have a better human being than John Kerry.

Quoted: Quoted: Aren't John Kerry's records already available on his campaign website, or are these records not complete or something? Am I missing something here? Yes, you are missing about 3/4s of his actual records... and he STILL refuses to release them. Note also that his campaign site also lies about the date he left the naval reserves in the hopes of fending off a UCMJ charge for the crap he pulled in 71/72

Thanks for the information. I assumed they must have not been complete, but I just haven't had time to research it myself with work and everything.

Would you mind giving me some links to back up the argument that he hasn't released all his records? I need fuel for all the anti's I work with Thanks.

Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican?

If what they are saying is true, should it matter?

If they have something big on the horizon (at least bigger than what they have now), then why shouldn't they come forward, bring it to light and prove it? Isn't that their right?

We already know that they have raised some serious charges against Kerry and at the very least made some of his claims look like swiss cheese. So far we've had 17 of these guys who were there with him speak out against him with a very negative opinion. While at the same time, only 2 people have stepped forward with a favorable opinion of Kerry. What's that say? It tells me, he's not very well thought of by the people who served with him. That's enough for me.

It also says something else. Are these guys making a nasty attack against Kerry? You bet your ass they are. But it's well deserved. Kerry has been flapping his jaws now for months and bragging about his service. To all of us, that should be a serious red flag. How many combat vets do you know who flap their mouths constantly about their service who don't turn out to be full of shit? In my lifetime, all of the actual combat vets are quiet, reserved and say little about their service. The braggers usually turn out to be cooks or clerks or something. Sometimes they were never even there!

We know John Kerry did some incredibly sleezy shit when he returned. He put down every man that wore the uniform. And he called them all baby killers and other vile, sickening crap. And he even met with the Communists in person! I can understand the motivation of the swiftboat crews. They are pissed off because they feel Kerry is a traitor and disgraced them all. I;m sure they felt this way be they democrats, republicans, independents, whatever. If they feel they have infomation that challenged Kerry's claims, and if a Republican with an agenda has the money to get that message heard, that's just tough shit for Kerry.

MoveOn.org and other leftist organizations have done the same thing, only with them, they are taking half truths and distorting them even further. At least some of what the swiftees is saying appears to be true, if not most of it. They are being funded by people I consider far more shady and have access to far more money. Plus, they started it all! So now that they are getting slammed by a more effective ad campaign patterned after their attacks, only better organized, I don't feel sorry for them! They are getting what they deserve. In effect, the swiftees are fighting fire with fire, only they are doing a much better job.

BTW, Kerry is an asshole for the things he done. If these guys have any info to bring forward to help prove that, then I say get it out there and let the good voters decide what they think of it. Then they can believe actual and honorable veterans. Or they can believe fruitcakes like Michael Moore.

-CH

Quoted: On one day alone, the Swifties received more than twice the dollars attributed to the Republican donor from Texas.   Liberals are such shits, aren't they.  They cannot defend Kerry's actions so they attack the soure of less than half of the Swifty funds.

You know how much the Swift Vets 527 has brought in?  $160,000

Pro-Kerry, anti-Bush 527s?  $128,000,000

www.truthlaidbear.com/archives/2004/08/22/527s_in_perspective.php#001354

Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican?

Nope.  AMONG their MANY contributors is a Texas Republican.  They receive the vast majority of their contributions from their website.

isn't moveon.org funded by a democrat (george soros)?  swiftboatsvets may have a couple deep pocket donors but they also have thousands and thousands of small donations from vets like myself and others on this board.  this is all a big-time payback for kerry's past behaviors and voting record that are/were anti-military...

Quoted: isn't moveon.org funded by a democrat (george soros)?

And I believe he isn't even a US citizen.

Quoted: Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican? Does it matter?  Seems like the cockroaches are scurrying for the shadows.......

The only "Cockroaches" I see scurrying are the desperate GOP boys for funding these kinds of politicial attacks. This being backed by a Texas republician only takes away from the swift boat veterans message. SAYING you just want to get your message out THEN accepting money from a long time Bush supporter just makes it look just like a cheap politicial attack.

For the first time in my life, I have given to political campaigns this year.

$25 to Tom Delay....the one man we may end up creditint the most for the death of the AWB
$25 to the Swifties...their is a campaign to keep Kerry out
$50 to Bush/Cheney...I know, that isn't much, but it is well spent

Each one of them serves a purpose.  I intend to give more in the future.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican? Does it matter?  Seems like the cockroaches are scurrying for the shadows....... The only "Cockroaches" I see scurrying are the desperate GOP boys for funding these kinds of politicial attacks. This being backed by a Texas republician only takes away from the swift boat veterans message. SAYING you just want to get your message out THEN accepting money from a long time Bush supporter just makes it look just like a cheap politicial attack.

No, actually that paragraph makes you look like the blatant anti-Bush partisan that you are.  You have no interest in reality, other than twisting it to fit your expectations.

VA-Dinger,

May I suggest some Massingale to help you get the sand out.  The only people supporting Kerry are those who want to have the government give them other peoples' monies.

That, and amoral skanks.

Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican?

Not according to my VISA bill

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Isn't the entire "Swift Boats Veterans" group funded by a Texas Republican? Does it matter?  Seems like the cockroaches are scurrying for the shadows....... The only "Cockroaches" I see scurrying are the desperate GOP boys for funding these kinds of politicial attacks. This being backed by a Texas republician only takes away from the swift boat veterans message. SAYING you just want to get your message out THEN accepting money from a long time Bush supporter just makes it look just like a cheap politicial attack.

As was pointed out, they are getting far more money from donations of regular people (like us!) than they are getting from the Texas Repuublican dude. So it sounds to me like they have far more supporters than just him anyway. Look at how many from here alone are contributing. You can bet we aren't the only ones.

What about the liberal groups like MoveOn.org that are getting donations from multiple leftwing Hollywood celebrities that can toss in hundreds of thousands of dollars? Why do you fail to mention these people? One republican makes a large donation and he's suddenly scum....but large numbers of celebrities can give huge sums of money or even make propaganda filled films and they are ok? If he was solely financing their attack ads (which he isn't), he would only be helping in a tiny way to tip the scales a bit, which are heavily in the left's favor. Take a look at the numbers posted in one of the previous posts in this thread. Which's sides ad groups have taken in the most money? At least now we know without a doubt where you stand, since you don't seem to notice or care about any of those things. But I have to disagree fully. What's good for the goose is good for, well, you know.  

Quoted:  You have no interest in reality, other than twisting it to fit your expectations.

Now thats a pot calling a kettle black. In my expierence you left reality behind along time ago.

Quoted: Quoted:  You have no interest in reality, other than twisting it to fit your expectations. Now thats a pot calling a kettle black. In my expierence you left reality behind along time ago.

Given how very few of your opinions are grounded in any sort of fact, I think everyone can safely discount everything you say as asinine fantasy.

Quoted: Quoted: I can hardly wait til their next add Swifties have a mega-october surprise? link All indications are that the Swiftees’ offensive against Hanoi John is severely damaging the Kerry/Edwards candidacy. The television ads by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the #1 bestseller on Amazon, Unfit For Command, have credibly assaulted the basis for Kerry’s campaign: that his self-proclaimed status as a “war hero” during 4 months in Vietnam qualify him to be President of the United States. However… in the famous words of Al Jolson: “You ain’t heard nothin’ yet.” The Swiftees have prepared an October Surprise for Hanoi John that is going to blow his candidacy out of the water. I can’t tell you what it is, but I can tell you the television and radio ads have already been taped, and they are going to have an impact like an elephant sitting on a donkey. The Swiftees have three things in abundance: money, brains, and balls. They know exactly how to go for the jugular, they have the dough to do it, and they are saving their best shot for last. The Democrats will not know what hit them and will not know how to retaliate. Get set folks. The Kerry Train Wreck is not going to be a pretty sight. comment : just a rumor....I hope it's real

[Hiliary Clintion]I love it when a plan comes together.[/Hiliary Clinton]

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:  You have no interest in reality, other than twisting it to fit your expectations. Now thats a pot calling a kettle black. In my expierence you left reality behind along time ago. Given how very few of your opinions are grounded in any sort of fact, I think everyone can safely discount everything you say as asinine fantasy.

If'n theys anything from da Dinger abouts Bush vs. Kerry dat says odduwise, I ain't seen none!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aren't John Kerry's records already available on his campaign website, or are these records not complete or something? Am I missing something here? Yes, you are missing about 3/4s of his actual records... and he STILL refuses to release them. Note also that his campaign site also lies about the date he left the naval reserves in the hopes of fending off a UCMJ charge for the crap he pulled in 71/72 Thanks for the information. I assumed they must have not been complete, but I just haven't had time to research it myself with work and everything. Would you mind giving me some links to back up the argument that he hasn't released all his records? I need fuel for all the anti's I work with Thanks.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/20/171506.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/aol/story/2004/04/20/cnn_ALLPOLITICS_kerry.military.html

old news...

No way that Kerry will ever release his fitness reports, after action reports or medicals. He's told too many lies.

Kerry won't release his mil records because he is scared.  He is a coward and has a very long record of being a coward.  That alone is enough to prove that Kerry is unfit to be POTUS.

VA-Dinger,

What is it that you think Kerry will GIVE to you that you aren't already getting now?

I made my first ever political contribution this weekend, $25 to swift vets.  This is a noticable portion of my monthly spending money, 1/2 my monthly 5.56 ammo budget.  Doners like myself represent over 1/2 the money raised by SwiftVets.

Soros, in one move, gave $25,000,000 (really need to say that out loud to yourself for the impact) TWENTYFIVEMILLIONDOLLARS... to anti Bush adverts.

The idea of someone with that kind of money, trying to buy Kerry's way into the white house.  Between him and lying sacks of shit scum like Moore, telling blatent lies to people. It makes me so mad I can't see straight.  Let's not forget the unions roughing people up in states to try and keep Nader off the Ballot (I canceld my union membership this week).

I am so scared of Kerry winning that I might need to get a tin hat.

Quoted: Quoted: and why SHOULD they?  Last thing I read.... "That means that ad and every other ad. I don't believe we ought to have 527s. I think they're bad for the system," Bush said on Monday in Crawford, Texas. Let moveon.org agree to quit too. Yeah, 527s are pretty much just a way of circumventing election laws... But this has REALLY got to chap Lewis, Soros and Bing’s ass. They've collectively contributed something like 50 million dollars to buy this election and Moveon, ACT, JVC and Media Fund have been all but totally ineffective. Noting like hiring all the unemployed democrats to fleece your ass... Wonder how much cash they have left? Maybe I could get in on some 'o that.

not to mention how much money Soros poured into lobbying for the McCain-Feingold bill to become the law of the land.

What a hypocrite! !!

I'm so glad that this is backfiring on him.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Aren't John Kerry's records already available on his campaign website, or are these records not complete or something? Am I missing something here? Yes, you are missing about 3/4s of his actual records... and he STILL refuses to release them. Note also that his campaign site also lies about the date he left the naval reserves in the hopes of fending off a UCMJ charge for the crap he pulled in 71/72 Thanks for the information. I assumed they must have not been complete, but I just haven't had time to research it myself with work and everything. Would you mind giving me some links to back up the argument that he hasn't released all his records? I need fuel for all the anti's I work with Thanks. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/20/171506.shtml http://www.cnn.com/aol/story/2004/04/20/cnn_ALLPOLITICS_kerry.military.html old news... No way that Kerry will ever release his fitness reports, after action reports or medicals. He's told too many lies.

The CNN link didn't work, but I was able to read the newsmax one. That is quite old and I remember that happening, but I guess I was thinking that  more recently he may have decided to fully release them (ie since the SBVFT started thier ads). I take it he hasn't done that.

Telling...isn't it...